Dems, Media Outraged After Trump Calls MS-13 Gang Members 'Animals' | Breitbart

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Seriously,re read your posts on this thread.Hopefully it will occur to you
 
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, you placed the fault on POTUS for failing to communicate clearly
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You seem determined to 0 find some terrible shortcoming. I should save you the trouble by just acknowledging myself as first among sinners.

But I think you are stretching things. Trump said what he said. You would like to assert that his name calling could, with some effort, looking over the entire transcript, and assuming poor communication skills, be seen as being restricted to ms-13. And that that is charitable to Trump. Fine.

At the same time, in all charity, I would like the POTUS to communicate more clearly, to own it, rather than blame I’ll will of others when he doesnt, and more generally speak in a manner befitting his office. And I would ask all, however trivial this name calling is, to reflect on the oddity of championing this behavior.
 
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Actually there was quite a hubbub.
And what words did the edit? I think Trump’s actual words did, especially in light of prior trmsrkd, did lend themselves to an interpretation broader than just ms-13.
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Actually, no.

Not true at all.

Furthermore, it was not a formal speech, but extemporaneous remarks prior to a staff meeting around a table.

EVERYONE knew what Trump was saying and meaning except those who chose to be uncomprehending.
 
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Furthermore, it was not a formal speech, but extemporaneous remarks prior to a staff meeting around a table.
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You are on the wrong day, place, venue or something. Please read the transcripts of the meeting with CA officials linked in this thread that prompted the discussion
 
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When you continue to insist that Trump possibly meant all illegal aliens
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I did not do that.
In response to commenters who thought that remarks of Trump’s critics were infaur, since the context made it clear that he spoke of Ms-13, I pointed out that there was no such clarity. I was happy that Trump did clarify, albeit a day late.
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What is startling here is the fact that you cannot see your own lack of reflection.

Why was Trump “a day late” in making himself clear? He knew what he intended to begin with and most reasonable commenters understood that he was talking about MS-13 – that was the most obvious reading of his words. The fact that those who wish to misconstrue every one of Trump’s words stretch the meaning of his words in a way that beggars belief is what prompted him to clarify. That didn’t make it a day late, but only as a response to unreasonable critics who want to read his every word in the most disingenuous way possible. That’s on them, not on Trump. Here you are setting the timeline according to a corrupted chronology.
 
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HarryStotle said:
most reasonable commenters understood that he was talking about MS-13 – that was the most obvious reading of his words
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That was not the most obvious reading of his words - particularly in light of his prior words on immigration across our southern border. It was, however, not an implausible reading. I am glad that he sought to clarify the matter the next day.
 
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HarryStotle:
most reasonable commenters understood that he was talking about MS-13 – that was the most obvious reading of his words
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That was not the most obvious reading of his words - particularly in light of his prior words on immigration across our southern border. It was, however, not an implausible reading. I am glad that he sought to clarify the matter the next day.
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Whether or not the reading was plausible or “implausible” depends a great deal upon how genuinely fair critics wish to be regarding Trump’s comments. There has been a tendency by those on the progressive left to characterize anyone to the right of far left with such endearing terms as racist, phobic or fascist. This means there is little or no attempt by those on the progressive left to show genuine fairness or understanding to anyone who disagrees with them.

A very clear recent example is the way in which lefty Mike Dyson sought to undermine Jordan Peterson’s point of view, not by clear and reasoned rebuttal, but merely by calling him “an angry white man.”

You may want to see the tactics of the left in action, in case you don’t believe it.


What is interesting is that the tactic backfired because in the surveys of the audience done before and after the debate, the outcome showed the UofT audience was not so easily captivated by Dyson’s approach.

https://www.munkdebates.com/The-Debates/Political-Correctness

Also, as far as Trump’s comments, here is a detailed transcript and commentary on them, with a cataloging of the progressive leftist outrage to Trump’s words.
 
Subtext of the Breitbart piece: “Dems and media are ridiculous.” Of course this is just Breitbart trying to raise their prestige the only way they know how - by tearing down others. While reputable media companies work hard building their reputation over time by adhering to honest journalistic principles, Breitbart just launches hit pieces like this.
 
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Subtext of the Breitbart piece: “Dems and media are ridiculous.” Of course this is just Breitbart trying to raise their prestige the only way they know how - by tearing down others. While reputable media companies work hard building their reputation over time by adhering to honest journalistic principles, Breitbart just launches hit pieces like this.
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So which of these “reputable media companies” were showing “honest journalistic principles?”
Neoconservative Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin attacked Trump’s Evangelical supporters, posting a link to a report by The Hill which claimed the president called all illegal aliens “animals.”
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MSNBC anchor Andrea Mitchell repeated the false claim on her Twitter feed
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NBC News reporter Benjy Sarlin called Trump’s attack on MS-13 gang members “a political tactic with a long and deadly history.”
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A reporter from the Guardian falsely claimed that Trump was referring to “some immigrants” when he called MS-13 gang members “animals.” The Guardian report posted an edited version of Trump’s remark, specifically omitting the portion where Sheriff Mims refers to MS-13 gang members.
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A writer for New York Magazine claimed Trump “reserves” the term “‘animals’ only for brown people.”
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CNN pundit Keith Boykin similarly said Trump’s referring to MS-13 gang members as “animals” implied racism and is “the same dehumanization tactic used by slaver traders.”
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A researcher with the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee posted photos of children at the southern border alongside Trump’s remarks on MS-13 gang members.
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Interesting that you need to insert “subtext” into your depiction of Breitbart’s article.

The other “reputable media companies” minced no subtextual words to make it obvious that their articles were blatant “hit pieces” and nothing more.

Yeah, “honest journalistic principles,” my eye. 😜
 
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I relistened to Trump …

First, Trump was heading up a round table discussion with a very large number of invited participants.

Second, there were a huge number of “reporters” [ “newsies”] present who were recording everything.

Third, reporters were participating and interrupting with their own statements and questions.
 
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I relistened to Trump …

First, Trump was heading up a round table discussion with a very large number of invited participants.
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…none of whom said what Trump said.
Second, there were a huge number of “reporters” [ “newsies”] present who were recording everything.
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…as is normal and expected when you are the President and holding a public meeting…
Third, reporters were participating and interrupting with their own statements and questions.
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That must have been it! Those interruptions got Trump so flustered that he blurted out a comment completely out of character for him.
 
So is it ok for Pope Francis to call certain people animals if they act like animals?
 
There are some that come to mind. Animals seem a bit tame if you ask me. It is also fairly normal to throw out hyperbole like this at people who do evil things. I find it funny how all the anti-Trump fanatics on here are making this into such a traumatic event.
 
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Subtext of the Breitbart piece: “Dems and media are ridiculous.” Of course this is just Breitbart trying to raise their prestige the only way they know how - by tearing down others. While reputable media companies work hard building their reputation over time by adhering to honest journalistic principles, Breitbart just launches hit pieces like this.
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LOL. And the winner of today’s most ironic post goes too… haha what a hoot.
 
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Occasionally, we wait for others to finish posting before jumping in.
 
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