Dems Say It's Time for GOP to Unite, End Shutdown

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Georgia said:
The House passed a spending bill that did not include the ACA. It funded all other governmental functions. The Senate refuses to consider a bill without funding for the ACA. The founders set up a system requiring all appropriations bills start in the House. Neither side held a vote to shut down government. It’s simply that the Senate will not consider a bill without money for the ACA. Agree, disagree, or whatever, neither side is violating the law, unless you go back to the requirement for a budget.

The last U.S. budget that was passed went through in 2009. The Constitution requires a budget, but the country has been on continuing resolutions since that last budget.
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Well said, Georgia. Thanks for injecting some facts into the debate - to counter the talking points and hyperbole.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Why don’t you supply the evidence since you’re the one that made the accusation of gerrymandering.

Ishii
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You appear to me to be politically astute so assumed you knew. It’s been all over the internet for quite a while. I will definitely post my sources, but not tonight. I’m getting tired. I’ve been out drinking with JeaneS tonight.😉
 
ishii said:
I wasn’t the one who claimed the Republicans Gerrymandered.
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Is there any evidence whatsoever that would convince you that the republicans had engaged in massive gerrymandering? Please answer honestly.
 
99th_Monkey said:
You appear to me to be politically astute so assumed you knew. It’s been all over the internet for quite a while. I will definitely post my sources, but not tonight. I’m getting tired. I’ve been out drinking with JeaneS tonight.😉
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Ha. I hope you’re not driving.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
I don’t know. From you? Probably not.

Ishii
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There is actually so much evidence that I could spend all night posting it, but I know your personality type just labels everything that disagrees with you as a conspiracy by the liberal evil doers to fool you. So, thanks for be honest and not waisting either of our time. 👍
 
Georgia said:
The House passed a spending bill that did not include the ACA. It funded all other governmental functions. The Senate refuses to consider a bill without funding for the ACA. The founders set up a system requiring all appropriations bills start in the House. Neither side held a vote to shut down government. It’s simply that the Senate will not consider a bill without money for the ACA. Agree, disagree, or whatever, neither side is violating the law, unless you go back to the requirement for a budget.

The last U.S. budget that was passed went through in 2009. The Constitution requires a budget, but the country has been on continuing resolutions since that last budget.
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The ACA is funded and is in effect. It must have been funded somewhere along the line. Furthermore, the Senate has a budget. They asked/invited the House to conference on it 18 times in the last 6 months. The House would not agree to confer on it. On September 30 at 10;00 p.m. they wanted a conference. This was 2 hours before the deadline at midnight.Then they twittered pix of an empty conference table. Who is playing the American public for fools? There is no reason that we should be in the spot we are in. It is truly ridiculous.
 
Repent_n said:
The GOP is now the laughing stock of the world.
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SuperLuigi said:
Given the oppressive, anti-Catholic view of the world, that would be a compliment.
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So you really think the GOP is the Catholic Party or closely aligned with Catholic values? Dream on!!!

Abortion is not the only issue that matters (and the USCCB voter’s guide is clear about that, when it warns against being “single issue voters”). And as has been discussed extensively before on this board, the GOP has no intention of overturning Roe v. Wade (among a lot of other evidence, Bush appointed Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts: “It’s the law of the land”).
 
99th_Monkey said:
The ACA is funded and is in effect. It must have been funded somewhere along the line. Furthermore, the Senate has a budget. They asked/invited the House to conference on it 18 times in the last 6 months. The House would not agree to confer on it. On September 30 at 10;00 p.m. they wanted a conference. This was 2 hours before the deadline at midnight.Then they twittered pix of an empty conference table. Who is playing the American public for fools? There is no reason that we should be in the spot we are in. It is truly ridiculous.
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This is only true if you’re writing this based on “facts” or “reality”! I didn’t know either of those had a place in this debate! 😃
 
Repent_n said:
There is actually so much evidence that I could spend all night posting it, but I know your personality type just labels everything that disagrees with you as a conspiracy by the liberal evil doers to fool you. So, thanks for be honest and not waisting either of our time. 👍
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In other words, you have no evidence. Thanks for clarifying.

Ishii
 
 
ishii said:
In other words, you have no evidence. Thanks for clarifying.

Ishii
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You just said you wouldn’t listen to any evidence I had… You are a lot like the republicans. You tell me not to bring evidence and then accusing me of not bringing evidence. Probably have a similar IQ as well…
 
Repent_n said:
You just said you wouldn’t listen to any evidence I had… You are a lot like the republicans. You tell me not to bring evidence and then accusing me of not bringing evidence. Probably have a similar IQ as well…
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Ishii is actually a pretty decent (guessing guy? Forgive me if I’m wrong!) Don’t assume things about or insult people you don’t know, just because of their political persuasion. I’d be interested in your evidence as well, and I’m by no means a conservative.
 
Repent_n said:
I don’t think anyone has a problem with them opposing it. They are entitled (and elected) to do such things. The problem we have is that Obamacare is now a constitutional law. This is not an acceptable way to oppose it. Shutting down they country weakens are national security, our economy, and our reputation. It’s only made worse when they are doing it for NOTHING.

As I mentioned, just imagine what life would be like if the democrats shut down the country every time they didn’t care for something.
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Wouldn’t a shutdown have been averted or stopped by now if there had been compromise on both sides? You appear to be holding the republicans accountable for the shutdown when they tried to comprise with democrats. Initially they offered to defund, but then they offered to stop federal subsidies for staff and congress and delay individual mandate, (Barack Obama has delayed the employer mandate), and then the House offered to fund the parks, part of D.C. government and Department of Veterans Affairs.

Republicans have comprised, now democrats need to stop being so stubborn and compromise.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Wouldn’t a shutdown have been averted or stopped by now if there had been compromise on both sides? You appear to be holding the republicans accountable for the shutdown when they tried to comprise with democrats. Initially they offered to defund, but then they offered to stop federal subsidies for staff and congress and delay individual mandate, (Barack Obama has delayed the employer mandate), and then the House offered to fund the parks, part of D.C. government and Department of Veterans Affairs.

Republicans have comprised, now democrats need to stop being so stubborn and compromise.
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What he is saying is that the government shutdown (or default) is not an acceptable time to hold the country hostage while attempting to extract “compromises.” If you want to extract concessions, get them on a bill that doesn’t literally have livelihoods on the line if it can’t get passed quickly.
 
SMGS127 said:
What he is saying is that the government shutdown (or default) is not an acceptable time to hold the country hostage while attempting to extract “compromises.”
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Indeed, the Tea Party fraction in the House, as well as the renegade Ted Cruz who fired them on, are out to subvert and destroy democracy. An important law was passed, upheld by the Supreme Court, and the only legitimate way to repeal or weaken it would have been for the Republicans to win the election. The American people have spoken, and they lost the election for both the Presidency and the Senate. Now they tried to get it their way anyway, by terrorizing the country with a shutdown and holding the American people and the ecnonomy as well as national security hostage by threatening default if their demands are not met.

Obama needs to stand firm, because otherwise our democracy is gone. Our Founding Fathers would turn in their graves if they saw the political terrorism of the Tea Party fraction, and I am certain they would be on Obama’s and the Democrat’s side on this one out of political principle, regardless if they agree with their politcal views.
 
The US public is well aware that special interest and big money is a serious issue in politics. It leaves little faith in our government and our election process. The right hijacking the government is only a response to the left and its hijacking and strident promotion of the culture of death, namely “abortion”.

Please who’s kidding who here. Taxpayer funded abortion, yes very Catholic. :rolleyes:

“Research done by the Lozier Institute makes clear that, through the multistate plans alone, Americans will be complicit in the deaths of thousands of unborn children each year through their tax dollars.”

ncregister.com/daily-news/study-thousands-of-taxpayer-funded-abortions-part-of-obamacare

“Buried in the pages of Obamacare is the ‘Covert Abortion Premium Mandate’ that forces people and their money into the business of abortion,” said Charmaine Yoest of Americans United for Life. “In light of the dangers of abortion to women and their unborn children, this policy is a disaster.”

lifenews.com/2013/10/01/obamacare-day-one-many-americans-will-fund-abortions-without-their-consent/
 
Al_Moritz said:
Indeed, the Tea Party fraction in the House, as well as the renegade Ted Cruz who fired them on, are out to subvert and destroy democracy. An important law was passed, upheld by the Supreme Court, and the only legitimate way to repeal or weaken it would have been for the Republicans to win the election. The American people have spoken, and they lost the election for both the Presidency and the Senate. Now they tried to get it their way anyway, by terrorizing the country with a shutdown and holding the American people and the ecnonomy as well as national security hostage by threatening default if their demands are not met.

Obama needs to stand firm, because otherwise our democracy is gone. Our Founding Fathers would turn in their graves if they saw the political terrorism of the Tea Party fraction, and I am certain they would be on Obama’s and the Democrat’s side on this one out of political principle, regardless if they agree with their politcal views.
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Barack Obama may have been reelected, but the majority of polls after his reelection show disapproval of the Affordable Care Act

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

November 7th 2012 there were also House republicans and senators elected and/or reelected and arguably many of their constituents may have voted for them because they wanted them to stand up against the Affordable Care Act so these House representatives and senators have a duty to their constituents to do something about the ACA .

Majority of people do not blame the Tea Party for the shutdown per Fox news poll.

25% blame
Republican leaders such as John Boehner
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24% blame Barack Obama

20% blame blame everybody

17% blame
Tea Party Republicans such as Ted Cruz
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foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/04/throw-bums-out-budget-deadlock-portends-2014-backlash
 
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