Dems struggle on Kavanaugh

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33 Celebrities Who've Had Abortions - Tinseltown Mom

Wherever you stand on the issue of abortion there’s no denying that choosing to terminate a pregnancy is a difficult decision most women wish they didn’t have to face. And, although there’s been a steady decline in abortions since 1980, 4 out of 10 unplanned pregnancies are terminated each year.
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Suppose the father forced the woman to have an abortion via abuse… Shouldn’t the father suffer consequences too??? or the parents of the female??? if they forced the woman to have an abortion… Fair is fair… Right?
 
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Of course. Depending on the level of “forced”, there could be legal charges ranging from assault to conspiracy to commit a crime.
 
petra22 said:
Suppose the father forced the woman to have an abortion via abuse… Shouldn’t the father suffer consequences too??? or the parents of the female??? if they forced the woman to have an abortion… Fair is fair… Right?
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Indeed the father should suffer consequences. Coercion should be a mitigating factor. Or the mother because some of them are worse than the fathers when it comes to abortion. I have known teens coerced into having an abortion and it is not pretty. One dead, one wounded.
 
Thanks for this series of links, however obscure. I still am missing how these people are made out to be heroes. It is notable that of the several persons who had multiple abortions about half express sincere regret.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I don’t think there is any likelihood McCaskill will vote for Kavanaugh. She pretends now and then that she isn’t a liberal, but she really is one, and she will not vote for anybody who is arguably prolife
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Sadly, this is very true.
 
Boatswain2PA said:
Our society slowly changed to not only allow abortion, but now to aggrandize it, with hollywood leftists holding woman who have had multiple abortions out as heroes.
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I’m not sure this is new.

The tv show Maude featured an episode where Maude actually had an abortion. Her daughter encourages her, and even compared it to going to the dentist.
 
We actually cite Catholic teachings. Where do you get this nonsensical argument no one here is making that it should be illegal because it is unnatural? I find dudes who wear pony tails to be unnatural, but that isn’t an argument against their legality.

You are setting up straw men faster than you can knock them down.
 
I assume you mean the Catholic Church’s position regarding the rights of the unborn… It is a pro-life position, but that entire belief system flows from a wholly Catholic ethos.
 
Because it is a stupid, loaded question used to bait people into a defense of the status quo. And most people find that childish, oft-repeated argument to be a waste of an adult’s time. It’s been floating around these boards since their inception, and the intent is always obvious - halt any progress towards achieving Catholic pro-life beliefs.

The entire Catholic ecosystem is built around creating a culture that embraces life given to us by our Lord. That is the sum total of the goal. Anything that doesn’t point towards that goal is of no consequence. Does threatening women with jail time further that goal? I’d say likely not. The goal is not earthly justice. The goal is not human retribution. The goal is to build a worldwide culture that embraces life from conception to natural death, and all decisions are made to that end and that end only.

I realize you like to take a contrarian position on every topic you post in, be it taxes, immigration, abortion, or whatever, in some sort of effort to be a provocateur or expose whatever apparently dour intent you seem to have, but it adds nothing for people posting and even less for those just lurking and reading the boards.
 
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Because it is a stupid, loaded question used to bait people into a defense of the status quo. And most people find that childish, oft-repeated argument to be a waste of an adult’s time. It’s been floating around these boards since their inception, and the intent is always obvious - halt any progress towards achieving Catholic pro-life beliefs.

The entire Catholic ecosystem is built around creating a culture that embraces life given to us by our Lord. That is the sum total of the goal. Anything that doesn’t point towards that goal is of no consequence. Does threatening women with jail time further that goal? I’d say likely not. The goal is not earthly justice. The goal is not human retribution. The goal is to build a worldwide culture that embraces life from conception to natural death, and all decisions are made to that end and that end only.

I realize you like to take a contrarian position on every topic you post in, be it taxes, immigration, abortion, or whatever, in some sort of effort to be a provocateur or expose whatever apparently dour intent you seem to have, but it adds nothing for people posting and even less for those just lurking and reading the boards.
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You think it is a stupid question as to whether murderers should be punished, but the Church clearly disagrees with you. The Church imposed penalties on women who have abortions. There is nothing in Church teaching that says civil society ought not punish murderers. I agree the answer is politically inconvenient, but is that sufficient reason to avoid justice? It just shows how much the culture of death has sunk into our minds.
 
Dr_Meinheimer said:
Because it is a stupid, loaded question used to bait people into a defense of the status quo. And most people find that childish, oft-repeated argument to be a waste of an adult’s time
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I disagree. It is something that, however much a child would wish to cast aside, an adult must reckon with.
The Catholic viewpoint is not enacted in law and culture now. It is unlikely to be enacted in law and culture in by SCOTUS with Trump’s appointees. What surprises me is the sense that this discussion somehow supports the status quo? What does that mean other than a bemusing statement that abortion is not murder?
 
The question has been answered. Most of us would NOT punish the woman who got an abortion, and reasons were given why not. I believe ONE person said they would.

It’s would be up to the states, and their legislatures, to decide whether abortion would be permissible, under what conditions, and what penalties for violating the laws.
 
Boatswain2PA said:
The question has been answered. Most of us would NOT punish the woman who got an abortion, and reasons were given why not. I believe ONE person said they would.

It’s would be up to the states, and their legislatures, to decide whether abortion would be permissible, under what conditions, and what penalties for violating the laws.
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I don’t recall anyone giving a reason why murderers should not be punished. Perhaps you can give yours…
 
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Boatswain2PA said:
Our society slowly changed to not only allow abortion, but now to aggrandize it, with hollywood leftists holding woman who have had multiple abortions out as heroes.

There are many women (and men) who have been taught that it’s just a lump of tissue instead of a baby. They are not aware that abortion is the willful killing of a child. We need to change our society back so that we understand the preciousness of children, including unborn. The first step of this is to overturn Roe vs Wade so that states can put further restrictions on abortion. Other steps is to continue to fight against the immoral leftist/communists who control most of our educational and media systems.

As to actual punishment for women who have illegal abortions? No, I would not. Not until we have a drastic change in our culture.
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stinkcat_14 said:
I don’t recall anyone giving a reason why murderers should not be punished. Perhaps you can give yours…
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The question is not relevant to the topic. The issue is the problem the Kennedy resignation has caused for Democrats running for the Senate; it’s not really about Kavanaugh at all. Any nominee would present the same dilemma, and the reason for it is the same: social change is being driven by SCOTUS rulings, and every Trump nominee presents the same threat to those inventive rulings.
 
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