Dems struggle on Kavanaugh

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I cannot overcome the intense bias that prohibits you from understanding points of view that are contrary to your extreme beliefs.

In other words…I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it FOR you.

No, I would not punish women for abortion. For the past 60 years it’s been legal, and those who drive our culture (ie: the media) have aggrandized it, and made it something for people “to be PROUD of!”. This culture is a mitigating circumstance.

Let’s overturn the law, prohibit the procedure, punish those who perform the procedure, and use that as a start toward changing our culture back to one who values life.

I’m sure you still won’t understand that, but reasonable people will understand my argument (although may not agree).
 
I fully understand what you are saying. I also fully understand that you are not giving a reason for your view. You come close, but seem to hold back. Not clear why that is.

I don’t think that seeing abortion as murder, or punishing those involved in murder are extreme views.
 
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IF Roe were overturned, it would go back to the states as it should.
In States where abortion would be illegal, only the Doctors who performed them would be punished, not the woman.
It would go back to the way it was Pre-Roe.
I was a junior in high school when Roe went down in '73. I wasn’t that political then, but I remember all the arguments why abortion must be legalized. (i.e. too many women died from back alley abortions-mostly due to lack of antibiotics -just read the late Dr. Bernard Nathanson’s conversion story he went from being an abortion Dr. to a pro-life Catholic-he says they deliberately exaggerated the statistics of women dying. Also, it was argued that marriages would be strengthened because it would take the pressure off of spouses to deliver unwanted children. Has that happened?
Anyway, I agree with what was stated above that if the government shouldn’t be involved in abortion, why do they protect and pay for it. Why do I have to pay for it with my tax dollars in my state? Why is Planned Parenthood given government dollars?
Why are there pro- abortion feminists agitating for forcing ALL medical professionals to have to assist/perform abortions or lose their jobs? (Because there is an increasing shortage of Dr.s willing to perform abortions)
 
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dvdjs said:
I fully understand what you are saying. I also fully understand that you are not giving a reason for your view. You come close, but seem to hold back. Not clear why that is.

I don’t think that seeing abortion as murder, or punishing those involved in murder are extreme views.
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The reason seems to be that it wouldn’t be politically expedient to punish killers. However nobody will explicitly say that. I would say wanting justice for those involved in killing is a very reasonable position.
 
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The reason seems to be that it wouldn’t be politically expedient to punish killers
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That is what you want to hear, so you can’t understand anything else. It’s okay, anyone who comes to these boards occasionally see how you and dvd twist things around, and this is just another example of it.

Clearly my position isn’t due to political expediency, but rather charity for a woman brought up in an immoral leftist culture.

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The reason seems to be that it wouldn’t be politically expedient to punish killers
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That is what you want to hear, so you can’t understand anything else. It’s okay, anyone who comes to these boards occasionally see how you and dvd twist things around, and this is just another example of it.

Clearly my position isn’t due to political expediency, but rather charity for a woman brought up in an immoral leftist culture.

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Which other killers deserve charity? For example, many members of minority groups have suffered discrimination and have been brought up in an immoral leftist culture, should we not punish them for murder?
 
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So how do we determine which killers get punished and which killers get a free pass?
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Roe v Wade said every one gets a free pass.
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Do you support Roe v wade? If you don’t do you think women having abortions should be pushed or should they get a free pass? Which other killers should get a free pass?
 
Other killers may also use mitigating circumstances to avoid prosecution.

Your question has been answered, ad nauseum.
 
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I don’t think that seeing abortion as murder, or punishing those involved in murder are extreme views.
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Advocating punishing the women is effectively a pro-abortion argument, since the populace would never allow it.
 
False choice. Liberals like to put up the “punish the women” straw man knowing full well it will never happen. The objective, of course, is to put up a phony argument in favor of abortion, the #1 Dem cause.
 
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False choice. Liberals like to put up the “punish the women” straw man knowing full well it will never happen. The objective, of course, is to put up a phony argument in favor of abortion, the #1 Dem cause.
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Totally false statement. Just because one believes in justice for murderers does not make one liberal.
 
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