Dems struggle with rising popularity of GOP tax law

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Ridgerunner said:
They’re big on complaints and claims, but don’t do much for anybody other than Planned Parenthood.
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And sadly, the gun crowd (which are RINOs) only gets it half right by protecting the lives of the unborn and then not lift a finger to protect them once out of the womb…it’ll all be taken care of itself beginning in November.
 
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Nope. One actually is single, in her 70s and receives SS but still has to work just to make ends meet. Has taxes deducted and still has to send in a check every year payable to the Dept of Treasury.
 
Hereiam said:
And sadly, the gun crowd (which are RINOs) only gets it half right by protecting the lives of the unborn and then not lift a finger to protect them once out of the womb…it’ll all be taken care of itself beginning in November.
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Well, half is better than nothing. But I think a lot of people are unaware of things the Repubs actually do for those who are born. Just a very small example of which I am aware is this. Our Repub legislature and governor approved a 55% tax credit for contributions to charitable organizations that provide aid to women at risk of abortion. One of the big recipients is Catholic Charities of Southern Missouri, (where I live) It provides shelter, medical care, job training, education, post partum residence for up to a year, and job placement. The recent outright grants from the Repub legislature and governor aided CCSMO in setting up another home for at risk women.

If, as you are predicting, the Dems take over Congress in November, you wait and see. The only things they’ll do will be raising taxes, funding abortion and discouraging energy development…the same program they’ve had for the last 8 years.
 
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Oh good raising taxes on those who can most afford it instead of providing the greatest benefits to the rich.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Well, half is better than nothing
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There are, and the church has always professed, two ways, one righteous and one evil…you take your pick, and I’ll pick mine…there is no half way or lesser of two evils.
 
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Hereiam said:
There are, and the church has always professed, two ways, one righteous and one evil…you take your pick, and I’ll pick mine…there is no half way or lesser of two evils.
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Oh, but there really is a “lesser of two evils”. Do you really think there’s no moral difference between, let’s say, my spitting on you and my killing you?
 
Sy_Noe said:
Oh good raising taxes on those who can most afford it instead of providing the greatest benefits to the rich.
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And for the sake of additionally taxing whoever you think of as “the rich”, you countenance abortion.

But then, you aren’t Catholic and you’re Democrat besides. So your position is not surprising.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Oh, but there really is a “lesser of two evils”. Do you really think there’s no moral difference between, let’s say, my spitting on you and my killing you?
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No there is not, because in the anagogical sense of scriputre, we see in Matthew 5:22 that even saying to a brother or sister, “Raca” subjects us to the danger of hell, spitting or killing makes no difference.

There is no social or political teachings, only the Gospel, which seems often to be put aside in the World News…but this is only one page of a Catholic website, and not a proxy for fringe political commentary.
 
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Hereiam said:
we see in Matthew 5:22 that even saying to a brother or sister, “Raca” subjects us to the danger of hell, spitting or killing makes no difference.
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This snippet from Scripture does not prove your point. It merely says one could end up in hell for an extreme expression of disdain. It does not mean that it’s equal to murder in all cases.

The Church definitely asserts that there are gradations to evil. Possibly you don’t accept that because of your interpretation of the scripture passage. But if so, you’re at odds with the Church.
 
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Mortal sin and venial sin.
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The Church makes no claims that venial sin is any less damaging, in the long run, to our relationship with God than mortal sin…both are harmful.

To say it is, is to say venial sin is acceptable and without consequences.

Please try again.
 
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Hereiam said:
The Church makes no claims that venial sin is any less damaging, in the long run, to our relationship with God than mortal sin…both are harmful.
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You are absolutely wrong. It would be better that you said nothing about Church teachings than that you misrepresented them in this terrible way. Remember Luke 17:2.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
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Sy_Noe:
Oh good raising taxes on those who can most afford it instead of providing the greatest benefits to the rich.
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And for the sake of additionally taxing whoever you think of as “the rich”, you countenance abortion.

But then, you aren’t Catholic and you’re Democrat besides. So your position is not surprising.
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This thread is about the tax law passed in 2017 not abortion. If you would like to discuss abortion, you could always start another thread or join in the many that are already on CAF. And if I’m not, according to the teachings of your church, I am.
 
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Sy_Noe said:
This thread is about the tax law passed in 2017 not abortion. If you would like to discuss abortion, you could always start another thread or join in the many that are already on CAF. And if I’m not, according to the teachings of your church, I am.
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There are choices politically, and it is not at all wrong to point them out. It’s important that people know their choice to “soak the rich” per Dem doctrine (whatever that means) also puts them in the position of supporting abortion.
 
According to Cicero, it’s “First, choose the least of evils.”

A clever person can always present only two choices to advance his agenda.
 
Hereiam said:
Indeed. That is the difficulty when trying to support a political agenda with theology.
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Nasty gratuitous comment. You’re the one who said, entirely wrongly, that there is no difference among evils.

Be opaque if you are afraid of someone confronting your statement. But the teachings of the church regarding mortal and venial sin are not opaque: From the Catechism, and supported by scripture:

"1854 Sins are rightly evaluated according to their gravity. The distinction between mortal and venial sin, already evident in Scripture,129 became part of the tradition of the Church. It is corroborated by human experience.

1855 Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God’s law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.

Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.

1856 Mortal sin, by attacking the vital principle within us - that is, charity - necessitates a new initiative of God’s mercy and a conversion of heart which is normally accomplished within the setting of the sacrament of reconciliation:
When the will sets itself upon something that is of its nature incompatible with the charity that orients man toward his ultimate end, then the sin is mortal by its very object . . . whether it contradicts the love of God, such as blasphemy or perjury, or the love of neighbor, such as homicide or adultery. . . . But when the sinner’s will is set upon something that of its nature involves a disorder, but is not opposed to the love of God and neighbor, such as thoughtless chatter or immoderate laughter and the like, such sins are venial.130
1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger. "
 
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