Denominations Dont Matter- Its all about Jesus

[Lief_Erikson]

I place my importance in the Holy Spirit using the word I’m taught and read to change me into His image…

How do you know your interpretation (or your pastor’s interpretation) of the word is correct? What if you’re seeking that the Holy Spirit change you through an interpretation of the word that is untrue?

I place my importance in Christ completing the work He started in me…

Yeah, but doesn’t this have to be done in truth? How can it be done in lies?

How do you know what the true interpretation of the word is?

My bishops and pastor know they will give accout for the word or lack of it they taught…

It’s true that they have a big responsibility for the doctrine they teach. You also have a responsibility, though, for the doctrine you accept.

We’ll each all find out what we did, right or wrong at the I Cor. 3 judgment…

It seems smarter to be sure we’re in the right before then . . .

 

[Hiskid1973]

It seems smarter to be sure we’re in the right before then . . .

We’ll bro…I’m willing to take that chance…

 

[Lief_Erikson]

We’ll bro…I’m willing to take that chance…

Wow . This is your eternal soul we’re talking about.

By the way, I do like you quite a lot . I can see you’re sincerely trying to follow Christ, and that’s crucial.

 

[Hiskid1973]

Wow . This is your eternal soul we’re talking about.

By the way, I do like you quite a lot . I can see you’re sincerely trying to follow Christ, and that’s crucial.

I know your shocked, but I have been walking with Christ for almost 40years, I sleep in great peace when I close my eyes talking to my Abba…My goal is to be the fragrance of Christ to those around me…It’s not an easy road, but by God’s grace I’m smelling better every day…peace to you, beloved of our Father…

 

[nlm]

If that information is important to you, then maybe you should specify it in your profile. (Are they called “Deacons” rather than “Elders”? )

Well, certain things are common to most Protestant denominations - for example, that local authority is exercised through a Board of Elders or else through a Board of Deacons, rather than the member of clergy (who usually is an employee of the Board). The only exceptions I know of would be the Anglican and Lutheran communions, which are run by Bishops, but which, in most cases, don’t really exercise a lot of discipline on their members, other than the most conservative of Lutherans.

Are you Lutheran?

The individual church I attend does indeed have a Board of administration. This body deals with the overall running of the church. They have no role to play in the creation of the Denomination’s Discipline.One might look at the Discipline document as the rules of the game. This is simplifying it greatly but I think you know what I mean. This document unifies us around the world. This document is “created” as I said earlier under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, with consultation of Scripture and under the leadership of the General Superintendents.This sounds very similar to the way the RCC works…does it not?No,I am not Lutheran. God Bless.NLM

 

[jmcrae]

The individual church I attend does indeed have a Board of administration. This body deals with the overall running of the church. They have no role to play in the creation of the Denomination’s Discipline.One might look at the Discipline document as the rules of the game. This is simplifying it greatly but I think you know what I mean. This document unifies us around the world. This document is “created” as I said earlier under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, with consultation of Scripture and under the leadership of the General Superintendents.This sounds very similar to the way the RCC works…does it not?No,I am not Lutheran. God Bless.NLM

I don’t see why you are being so coy. Why not just come out and say which denomination you belong to?

 

[Carlan]

Just curious here…Do you think when we stand before Christ in the I Cor. 3 judgment it will really matter what church we attended…Or will our rewards of lack of them come from being obedient to the Holy Spirit’s work in the individual believers revealing God’s will for them

It will matter in the sense that the Church is one with Christ, we don’t stand alone, just me and Jesus. Jesus speaks to our hearts through the Church.

In 1Cor:3-10 Pauls work was to found the community on Christ.
The work of that community, as a whole in Christ, was for their spiritual good and was to be judged in terms of intensifying faith in Christ, and ultimately God will be the judge of that.Yes, God is going judge my obiedience according to His will for me.Carlan

 

[Hiskid1973]

It will matter in the sense that the Church is one with Christ, we don’t stand alone, just me and Jesus. Jesus speaks to our hearts through the Church.

In 1Cor:3-10 Pauls work was to found the community on Christ.
The work of that community, as a whole in Christ, was for their spiritual good and was to be judged in terms of intensifying faith in Christ, and ultimately God will be the judge of that.Yes, God is going judge my obiedience according to His will for me.Carlan

Yes all believers are spiritually bound…Our bishops and pastor are responsible for teaching and they will give account for what they taught…But during our judgment our works, it is individually it seems to be in the scripture…We alone are responsible for our maturity…We are given His word to hide in our heart…The Holy Spirit uses that to change us into His image…

 

[PJM]

=ConfusedTim;5950420]When i talk to some non catholic frinds about the history of the church where the bible came from etc all i get back is " Its all about Jesus and as long as we love him then thats all that matters" Are there any sughgested approaches coz I find that a real road block.

HOW CAN YOU BE SURE OF THAT
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Eph. 2:19-21** “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple [SINGULAR] in the Lord; [ONE-Church the CC] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Matt.16 Verses 15 to 19: [15] He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. **And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church [SINGULAR], and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. ** [19] I will give you [SINGULAR] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
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Eph. 4: 4 **“There is one body [One Church] and one Spirit, [One set of beliefs] just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, 5 one Lord, [One God] one faith, [One set of doctrine and dogma] one baptism, By water in the Trinity] 6 one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. 7 But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore it is said, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.”

There’s a whole lot more, but if they don’t accept this, nothing short of God’s DIRECT infusion of Faith, Wisdom and Understanding will take hold

Love and prayers,
Pat

 

[cecilia97]

When i talk to some non catholic frinds about the history of the church where the bible came from etc all i get back is " Its all about Jesus and as long as we love him then thats all that matters" Are there any sughgested approaches coz I find that a real road block.

Jesus founded a Church, and inside that Church is where I want to be, so I can be as close to Jesus as possible.

 

[Carlan]

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Eph. 4: 4 ****“There is one body [One Church] and one Spirit, [One set of beliefs] just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, 5 one Lord, [One God] one faith, [One set of doctrine and dogma] one baptism, By water in the Trinity] 6 one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. 7 But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore it is said, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.”

There’s a whole lot more, but if they don’t accept this, nothing short of God’s DIRECT infusion of Faith, Wisdom and Understanding will take hold

Love and prayers,
Pat

Pat, I throw up my hands, why do so many of them come in with closed minds, they start out giving the impression they want to learn about our faith and then start in with the fundamental mind set. They simply can’t get beyond it. I just feel like giving up. But then I realize it really isn’t their fault. OH , the can of worms those reformists opened up.:shrug:Carlan

 

[Hiskid1973]

HOW CAN YOU BE SURE OF THAT
**
Eph. 2:19-21** “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, **built upon the **, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple [SINGULAR] in the Lord; [ONE-Church the CC] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Matt.16 Verses 15 to 19: [15] He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. **And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church [SINGULAR], and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. ** [19] I will give you [SINGULAR] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
**
Eph. 4: 4 **“There is one body [One Church] and one Spirit, [One set of beliefs] just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, 5 one Lord, [One God] one faith, [One set of doctrine and dogma] one baptism, By water in the Trinity] 6 one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. 7 But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore it is said, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.”
Love and prayers,
Pat

I love all those verses especially about him building His church>foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone…It was built on all the apostles and prophets…Someone here at this forum said it was built only on one apostles…peace to you

 

[Carlan]

Jesus founded a Church, and inside that Church is where I want to be, so I can be as close to Jesus as possible.

Yes, if only the would open up completely to John:6

The Body and the Blood the Soul and the Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ .:heaven: on earth. Carlan

 

[Carlan]

I love all those verses especially about him building His church>foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone…It was built on all the apostles and prophets…Someone here at this forum said it was built only on one apostles…peace to you

OOP His, Did you miss these lines, gotta read the whole thing you know , the fore and after.

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church [SINGULAR], and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. [19] I will give you [SINGULAR] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Would you like to comment? Carlan

 

[Hiskid1973]

OOP His, Did you miss these lines, gotta read the whole thing you know , the fore and after.

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church [SINGULAR], and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. [19] I will give you [SINGULAR] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Would you like to comment? Carlan

Sure Bro…God didn’t build a church on one human. Think of Peter’s response of who Christ was…Look at the original sees, look at the councils and how they handled issues…Your pope even got rebuked…Schism…Think your pope would take rebuke from other sees now…Look at the bad popes that got put in place…You think the rest of the bishops would have allowed that if all the sees and their bishops would have been holding them accountable…I love how prots always get blamed yet the issues/division got started way early and kept snowballing…peace to you…

 

[jmcrae]

Sure Bro…God didn’t build a church on one human. Think of Peter’s response of who Christ was…Look at the original sees, look at the councils and how they handled issues…Your pope even got rebuked…Schism…Think your pope would take rebuke from other sees now…Look at the bad popes that got put in place…You think the rest of the bishops would have allowed that if all the sees and their bishops would have been holding them accountable…I love how prots always get blamed yet the issues/division got started way early and kept snowballing…peace to you…

Peter was the chief of the Apostles; it was to Peter that Jesus said, “Feed my lambs, feed my sheep.” (John 21:15-19) It is Peter who was appointed to be the Shepherd of the Church.

Jesus named him Rock and in the very same sentence, He said, “And upon this Rock I will build my Church.” In the Book of Acts you will notice that Peter is often called Kephas - this is the Aramaic word for Rock that Jesus would have used, when naming him with his new name.

 

[Hiskid1973]

Peter was the chief of the Apostles; it was to Peter that Jesus said, “Feed my lambs, feed my sheep.” (John 21:15-19) It is Peter who was appointed to be the Shepherd of the Church.

Jesus named him Rock and in the very same sentence, He said, “And upon this Rock I will build my Church.” In the Book of Acts you will notice that Peter is often called Kephas - this is the Aramaic word for Rock that Jesus would have used, when naming him with his new name.

Hey bro, aman I’m keeping you typing…I need to get a forum break…Hey I have no problem with Peter being a top apostle…But either way back in the NT they all were accountable together…They remained conciliar …Never schism and separated sees…You know something I always wondered was this…Sin always has a root…Why did the prots break star from thc CC side and not the Orthodox…One of the ?? I will ask on the other side…To be honest, if I ever felt prompted by the Holy Spirit that I must be Orthodox or Catholic, I would chose Orthodox in a heartbeat as is operates closer to what I read in the scriptures…

 

[jmcrae]

Hey bro, aman I’m keeping you typing…I need to get a forum break…Hey I have no problem with Peter being a top apostle…But either way back in the NT they all were accountable together…They remained conciliar …Never schism and separated sees…

Well, the Judaizers schismated, and so did the Gnostics. Heresy and schism have been with us right from the start - it’s not a new thing that just got started in the 11th century, or the 16th century.

You know something I always wondered was this…Sin always has a root…Why did the prots break star from thc CC side and not the Orthodox…One of the ?? I will ask on the other side.

Well, you’re ahead of me - I don’t even understand the question.

To be honest, if I ever felt prompted by the Holy Spirit that I must be Orthodox or Catholic, I would chose Orthodox in a heartbeat as is operates closer to what I read in the scriptures.

At least you’d have valid Sacraments, anyway.

 

[Carlan]

Sure Bro…God didn’t build a church on one human. Think of Peter’s response of who Christ was

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Look at the original sees, look at the councils and how they handled issues…Your pope even got rebuked…Schism…Think your pope would take rebuke from other sees now…Look at the bad popes that got put in place…You think the rest of the bishops would have allowed that if all the sees and their bishops would have been holding them accountable…I love how prots always get blamed yet the issues/division got started way early and kept snowballing…peace to you…

Yes , we know that Christ is The Head of His Body the Church. Did he not entrust the keys of the Kingdom to one human and a sinful one at that. Saint Peter , Yes or No please.

You want to dicuss the sins of the various Popes? , Open up a new thread.Carlan

 

[nlm]

I don’t see why you are being so coy. Why not just come out and say which denomination you belong to?

I am not being coy.No one has ever asked before.I am Wesleyan.God Bless. NLM