Denominations Dont Matter- Its all about Jesus

[jmcrae]

"Sacrament of the Extreme Unction or the Last Rights or the Sacrament of the sick…Could someone share the actual wording of these two sacraments please ?

These are all different names for the same Sacrament - by the way, the spelling is “Last Rites”; “rite” is the short form of the word “ritual.”

I have never been present when someone was receiving this Sacrament, so I don’t really know what words are used, or what happens, although I am under the impression that various parts of the body are anointed with oil.

 

[Hiskid1973]

These are all different names for the same Sacrament - by the way, the spelling is “Last Rites”; “rite” is the short form of the word “ritual.”

I have never been present when someone was receiving this Sacrament, so I don’t really know what words are used, or what happens, although I am under the impression that various parts of the body are anointed with oil.

OK, thank you bro…May God bless you and draw you closer in these last days…

 

[The_Reginator]

I respect that the Real Presence in the Eucharist is one way some people experience the presence of Jesus but I also believe His presence can be experienced in other ways.
Jesus is not invisible for me.He is very real.I saw Jesus in those I served in my role in health care for instance.Remember,He also said what we do for the least of His,it is to Him we have done it. Saint Benedict instructed his monks to welcome guests to their monasteries as though they were Jesus Himself.In my opinion,Jesus is in many other places besides the tabernacle.He said so Himself.God Bless.NLM

My friend, you are correct. We can see Our Lord in many places, but especially in each other, as you point out.
The difference is that in the Eucharist we don’t merely see Jesus in another person.
**In the Blessed Sacrament **(the Eucharist) Our dear Lord Jesus is actually there!!!
At every Mass God performs a miracle.
In the Blessed Sacrament Jesus is there in person. When we receive the Eucharist we actually receive His Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity.

 

[Carlan]

I’ll have to ask that question on the other side , if they were just regular believers not having any leadership positions…I guess will find out on the other side who or who couldn’t be use in His great commission…

G’morning K, not to offend but I do wonder why you always seem to take this position , when you cannot look at something and consider it from a Catholic’s point of view, It is like sitting on the fence waiting for heaven, to see if you were right or the Catholic Church was right after all. May the Lord bless us all with his light and love. Carlan

 

[Carlan]

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Originally Posted by ConfusedTim
When i talk to some non catholic frinds about the history of the church where the bible came from etc all i get back is " Its all about Jesus and as long as we love him then thats all that matters" Are there any sughgested approaches coz I find that a real road block.

Hang in there Tim, we all get frustrated with the same problem though. You do hope they are visiting CA to really understand the differences. They just seem to be looking for Catholics to confirm them in what we simply can’t accept, and that is the percentage of false doctrine they have been taught by the leaders of the Protestant reformation .Carlan

 

[Hiskid1973]

G’morning K, not to offend but I do wonder why you always seem to take this position , when you cannot look at something and consider it from a Catholic’s point of view, It is like sitting on the fence waiting for heaven, to see if you were right or the Catholic Church was right after all. May the Lord bless us all with his light and love. Carlan

I don’t take any offense at all…I consider everything in light of scripture…Thing is we’re a far piece from the original apostles…We all are doing things they didn’t do…We are all still seeing through the glass darkly…In light of that the great commission is still happening…Souls are still getting saved like it always was to be…One day we will see clearly and know what was wrong…We each give account for how we changed into His image…That change comes from the Holy Spirit working in us using the word we hide in our hearts…Guess that’s why I’m a bible only type…I know we get bashed by things as altar calls…But God has to meet some one some where…Nobody has to be at that altar…The work takes place in our hearts/minds wherever we make our transactions with God…You don’t have to believe like me and nor I of you but we both need a conversion to Christ and to let His word change us from the inside out…Grace and peace to you

 

[tweetymom]

Carlan;5976374:

G’morning K, not to offend but I do wonder why you always seem to take this position , when you cannot look at something and consider it from a Catholic’s point of view, It is like sitting on the fence waiting for heaven, to see if you were right or the Catholic Church was right after all. May the Lord bless us all with his light and love. Carlan

I don’t take any offense at all…I consider everything in light of scripture…Thing is we’re a far piece from the original apostles…We all are doing things they didn’t do…We are all still seeing through the glass darkly…In light of that the great commission is still happening…Souls are still getting saved like it always was to be…One day we will see clearly and know what was wrong…We each give account for how we changed into His image…That change comes from the Holy Spirit working in us using the word we hide in our hearts…Guess that’s why I’m a bible only type…I know we get bashed by things as altar calls…But God has to meet some one some where…Nobody has to be at that altar…The work takes place in our hearts/minds wherever we make our transactions with God…You don’t have to believe like me and nor I of you but we both need a conversion to Christ and to let His word change us from the inside out…Grace and peace to you

Altar calls, my altar was at home in my kitchen. I am so thankful that Jesus gave me that altar call!!!

 

[Hiskid1973]

Hiskid1973;5976575:

Altar calls, my altar was at home in my kitchen. I am so thankful that Jesus gave me that altar call!!!

You weren’t the first and you won’t be the last… …Once that word is sown you don’t know where the Holy Spirit will start working…I know Jack Chick get nailed pretty bad, but it didn’t take to long after I read it for those verses that they started working… … I’ve read stories where people picked up a tract blowing around with the rest of trash and made their peace with God…I believe we’re going to hear a lot of interesting stories on the other side…

 

[Carlan]

Hiskid1973;5976575:

Altar calls, my altar was at home in my kitchen. I am so thankful that Jesus gave me that altar call!!!

hi Tweety, Alter call , an interesting term. I rather see it as God giving us a dose of actual grace when we need it,not meaning as some Protestant believe,as a 1st and only Epiphany experiance. God’s grace does draw us in different ways to repentance when we fall and give into the evil of sin. Some are hit by 2 by 4’s (needed) some are hounded, and some only need a gentle reminder to seek God’s loving forgiveness.Carlan

 

[Hiskid1973]

tweetymom;5976733:

hi Tweety, Alter call , an interesting term. I rather see it as God giving us a dose of actual grace when we need it,not meaning as some Protestant believe,as a 1st and only Epiphany experiance. God’s grace does draw us in different ways to repentance when we fall and give into the evil of sin. Some are hit by 2 by 4’s (needed) some are hounded, and some only need a gentle reminder to seek God’s loving forgiveness.Carlan

I guess us prots believe there needs to be a moment where the sinner cries out to God…Like your saint Faustina says " The response “Jesus, I trust in you!” is necessary to effect the salvation of each individual, and all mankind!

Somewhere the sinners chooses light over darkness…That is the conversion experience…I had a pretty radical one myself…The christian faith then is a walk of maturity before Him…But somewhere a person has to open the door…Jesus said:Behold I stand at the door and knock…If any man opens that door…Even Peters first sermon to the jews…3,000 believed is Jesus as their Messiah and were added to the church in ONE day…Blessings of Christ to you…

 

[Carlan]

Carlan;5976374:

G’morning K, not to offend but I do wonder why you always seem to take this position , when you cannot look at something and consider it from a Catholic’s point of view, It is like sitting on the fence waiting for heaven, to see if you were right or the Catholic Church was right after all. May the Lord bless us all with his light and love. Carlan

I don’t take any offense at all…I consider everything in light of scripture…Thing is we’re a far piece from the original apostles…We all are doing things they didn’t do…We are all still seeing through the glass darkly…In light of that the great commission is still happening…Souls are still getting saved like it always was to be…One day we will see clearly and know what was wrong…We each give account for how we changed into His image…That change comes from the Holy Spirit working in us using the word we hide in our hearts…Guess that’s why I’m a bible only type…I know we get bashed by things as altar calls…But God has to meet some one some where…Nobody has to be at that altar…The work takes place in our hearts/minds wherever we make our transactions with God…You don’t have to believe like me and nor I of you but we both need a conversion to Christ and to let His word change us from the inside out…Grace and peace to you

K, I under stand that you are quite satisfied with your Christian experience and feel you don’t need to seek any deeper than where you are, but I want you to know there is more here and now, you do not have to sit on that fence and wait to receive all the truth until you get to heaven,you can experience a taste of it now.
Many of us are drawn to a much deeper,deeper spirituality, we want to be as close as we can be in this life to our Savior through what He gave to us on Holy Thursday at his last supper ,we want it now and in this place. And K, you can have it too.

Jesus repeats again and again in John 6, in the clearest way, that we must eat his Flesh and drink His Blood in order to have eternal life, verse 55: For my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed. This is not language of symbolism.

We mustseek deeper to believe, to receive this faith, sadly,some will not believe anything beyond their senses and reason. God bless and enlighten us all.Carlan

 

[nlm]

G’morning K, not to offend but I do wonder why you always seem to take this position , when you cannot look at something and consider it from a Catholic’s point of view, It is like sitting on the fence waiting for heaven, to see if you were right or the Catholic Church was right after all. May the Lord bless us all with his light and love. Carlan

Hello Carlan.There are many aspects of our spiritual journey which we accept by faith. An example would be the Trinity. Our little minds really can’t understand it but we believe ,by faith that it is so. The Bible does not refer to the word"Trinity" however it speaks of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I see this as an example of a belief we will only understand once we get to heaven.I don’t think there is a Catholic or a Protestant way of understanding this mystery of Faith.Sometimes I find myself daydreaming about heaven. I have a real strong sense of humor which at times interferes in these daydreams. I see Jesus explaining so many of these mysteries in such a kind, gentle and very matter a fact way and then saying to us,“Why was it soooooooooo important for you to try and understand EVERYTHING while on earth.I asked you to trust me. That’s really all you needed to know… until now.” It really is true that as Christians we long for that day. I know I do.God Bless.NLM

 

[Hiskid1973]

Hiskid1973;5976575:

We must

seek deeper to believe, to receive this faith, sadly,some will not believe anything beyond their senses and reason. God bless and enlighten us all.Carlan

I guess it boils down to my belief that you don’t have to belong to a specific church to be and mature to all God intends for you…That’s why the word is what the Holy Spirits uses…I think you might be surprised at the maturity some will have apart from belonging to your Catholic church…The scriptures provide equal opportunity believers…It’s our choice to die daily to become more like Him…The Lord will take us deeper by our desire to be changed into His image…He can do that to a Catholic, a Protestant or and Orthodox…We individually choose how deep we go…Hey I know you feel your church has the only answers, that’s fine with me. I answer individually to the Lord…I have been walking with Christ for almost 40 years and believe or not I’ve learned to sense and know the Spirit talking to me…If I felt for one moment Him impressing me I need to become Roman Catholic, I’d do it in a heartbeat…I sleep with great peace knowing I am in His will right where I am…peace to you…Just remember there’s not going to be all Roman Catholics up there…

 

[PJM]

=nlm;5973480]When did Christ institute the Sacrament of the Extreme Unction or the Last Rights or the Sacrament of the sick?NLM

GOOD QUESTION.

Te sacraments are instituted by Christ either explicitly or implicitily.

Mt. 10: 8 Matt.10 “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.”

Jas.5: 14 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

This Sacrament of healing, follows the pattern that Christ Himself set when combining both physical healing and spiritual healing for forgiveness of sins. As evidenced in so many verses.

The difference today is the physical healing is prayerfully requested [based on the Divine Wisdom of God] when it is for he Spiritual Good of the one receiving the sacrament, healing occours, and if not one is given super abundant graces to deal with God’s decision peacefully.

Love and prayers,

Pat

 

[hesco]

We all should have respect for everyone and what they believe. I feel that going by the bible is very important, but how can someone strickly go what the bible says when someone can read one paragraph and get 10 different meanings of what it says? How do we know what meaning is the right one? That brings me to the Catholic faith. We have 2000 years of history. I just don’t think it is right that other denominations got to pick and choose what they liked from the Church and condemed the rest. If all we had to do is believe in Jesus and read the bible to get into heaven well then how has faith made it this far? The Catholic Church, with the sacrements, eucharistict miracles, all the inspirable Saints and most of all the Holy Spirit. I have noticed alot of denominations changes their rules of their church to accommodate people such as birth control and masterbation. We are old school. We are not susceptible to change.

 

[PJM]

=Hiskid1973;5973694]I guess we’ll find out on the other side where He was and where He wasn’t…I for myself don’t try to surmise where He is or isn’t…

***By then friend it’s too late to change you’re mind, to say opps! I was wrong.

That is precisely why God created us with a mind, intellect and freewill so we could AND WOULD CORRECTLY discern Thee Single Truth of God’s Real Presence in Catholic Churches.***

THis has special signifiance to fallen away Catholics!

Heb.6 Verses 4 to 8: 4 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt. For land which has drunk the rain that often falls upon it, and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed; its end is to be burned.

Do NOT take this mater lightly friends, God will judge according to our deeds and decisions!

***John.3: 19 **And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does what is true comes to the light, that it may be clearly seen that his deeds have been wrought in God. *

2Cor.11:15 So it is not strange if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
**
1Pet.1: 17 **And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially according to his deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile

Don’t “***/U/ME” salvation friends!

Love and prayers.

Pat

 

[PJM]

=hesco;5977570]We all should have respect for everyone and what they believe. I feel that going by the bible is very important, but how can someone strickly go what the bible says when someone can read one paragraph and get 10 different meanings of what it says? How do we know what meaning is the right one? That brings me to the Catholic faith. We have 2000 years of history. I just don’t think it is right that other denominations got to pick and choose what they liked from the Church and condemed the rest. If all we had to do is believe in Jesus and read the bible to get into heaven well then how has faith made it this far? The Catholic Church, with the sacrements, eucharistict miracles, all the inspirable Saints and most of all the Holy Spirit. I have noticed alot of denominations changes their rules of their church to accommodate people such as birth control and masterbation. We are old school. We are not susceptible to change.

No Friend that is a soul endangering position, especially on a FORUM inteneded to bring to light the single truth of the issue being debated. We should, MUST love one another always, BUT that does not necessitate accepting positions that lack “The Fullness of Truth.” INdeed, not to challange such positions, would be a lack of charity

Love and prayers,

Pat

 

[Hiskid1973]

Don’t “***/U/ME” salvation friends!

Love and prayers.

Pat

I don’t Pat ,I had a pretty radical conversion experience…I know He’s real…

 

[PJM]

=Hiskid1973;5977618]I don’t Pat ,I had a pretty radical conversion experience…I know He’s real…

THANKS!

Our God is an Awesome God. may He continue to Bless and lead you

Love and prayers,

Pat

 

[Holly3278]

Tell them that Jesus only founded one Church and it was the Catholic Church, not the Baptist, Non-Denominational, Pentecostal, Methodist, or Nazarene churches but the Catholic Church alone was founded by Jesus Christ.