Denominations which allow Women Pastors.

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There is only one priest Our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, but everyone who is baptized and confirmed participates in that priesthood, according to their vocation. When a person is baptized, they are baptized as a priest, prophet, and king.

The clearly spells it out, unless that doesn’t cover women,
 
So where does this math fact come from?

Arms uplifted + long robe (which everyone wore at that time, yes?) = presiding as a priest at Mass

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Unless we time travel back in time when these paintings were made we cannot for sure say whether the woman is priest or not, does it matter anyway. We are all equal in the eyes of God, its the stupid humans that make the trouble, and cause arguments as is showing in this forum page.
 
Unless we time travel back in time when these paintings were made we cannot for sure say whether the woman is priest or not, does it matter anyway. We are all equal in the eyes of God, its the stupid humans that make the trouble, and cause arguments as is showing in this forum page.
I already posted the names that are given to those pictures, along with a synopsis written about them. They are a depiction of the progression of a holy woman’s life, including her wedding, her as a mother, and the largest one in the center is of her in Heavenly glory. 🤷
 
Unless we time travel back in time when these paintings were made we cannot for sure say whether the woman is priest or not,
Egg-zactly.

So there is no evidence of women serving as priests in the catacombs.
 
Unless we time travel back in time when these paintings were made we cannot for sure say whether the woman is priest or not
Disagree here. We can use reason and the history of The Church to know that there were never women priests. Reason in this case includes a picture of a women in prayer for two deceased people, all taking place in a tomb for the dead.
does it matter anyway
Sure it matters as there are some who actually believe that women can become a priests and that this is the work of the Holy Spirit. And believing that they are priests, they will believe that they are actually receiving Christ in the Eucharist from them. :eek:

Rather, this is the work of the evil one, the master of lies and deceit, who is trying to divide Christ’s Church and tear away his flock.

PnP
 
Disagree here. We can use reason and the history of The Church to know that there were never women priests. Reason in this case includes a picture of a women in prayer for two deceased people, all taking place in a tomb for the dead.

Sure it matters as there are some who actually believe that women can become a priests and that this is the work of the Holy Spirit. And believing that they are priests, they will believe that they are actually receiving Christ in the Eucharist from them. :eek:

Rather, this is the work of the evil one, the master of lies and deceit, who is trying to divide Christ’s Church and tear away his flock.

PnP
Thats taking it a little bit far, basically are you saying that these people who believe that women can become priest are being tempted by the Devil.

God gave people a brain to use, to make decisions, not to follow blindly, at the end of the day, while everyone is standing in front of God they are the ones to justify what they did in their lives.

But to make a point this thread isnt about women becoming priest is was about women pastors which are different, the OP wanted to know why it happened and how the decision was made
 
and there isnt any evidence to show that they didnt
Maybe you can’t find any evidence, but we certainly do have a lot of evidence. The Catholic Church has a vast library of literary works, from the earliest days of the Church, up to modern times. From the Gospels and the rest of the books of the New Testament, to the earliest works of the Early Church Fathers. And, they continue on throughout the centuries to modern day. There are many amazing books and other works written by Saints like Justin-Martyr, St. Augustine, and St. Ignatius, from the earliest times. Then, we have those from the middle ages, like Thomas a Kempis, St. Thomas Aquinas and a whole host of others down to today, where we have men like Scott Hahn and Mike Aquilina, just to name a few.

Among all of those (who were obviously all men), there were also many writings from women Saints, like St. Teresa of Avila, who is considered to be a Doctor of the Church, St. Therese the Little Flower, who became a great Saint by following her “little” way, and many, many more. But, in all of those writings, I would dare say you will most likely never find any mention of women being priests. Women are certainly not absent from the history of the Catholic Church, by any means. There have been many thousands of great women in the Church, but you’ve probably never heard of most of them, because you’ve most likely never looked for them. You might want to pick up a few books about those heroic women who are great Saints and read them, before you make any judgements about the role of women in the Catholic Church.

Men and women are completely different because that’s how God created us. We are each called to serve God in different ways, because that’s the way He wants it done. Men serve God as Priests and Bishops because they personify Jesus as He relates to His people. They do this especially during the Mass, when they offer up the Body and Blood of Jesus to the Father. Jesus is the role model for them. Call me crazy, but, in my humble opinion a woman can never do that, no matter how well she can teach people about the Word of God (Jesus).

The role model for women in the Catholic Church (and for all Christians) is Mary. She was always there with Jesus, serving Him in her own way. She humbly lead the holy women, and taught them what to do to serve the Apostles, so they could concentrate on preaching the Gospel, performing Baptisms and other sacraments, and whatever else Jesus needed them to do. Even after Jesus had ascended into Heaven, Mary and the holy women took care of everything that the Apostles needed to fulfill their ministry. They were also the ones who devoted much of their time to prayer, so that the Gospel could be spread and people could be converted from their sinful ways, by following Jesus.

The common denominator in all of them is their deep love of prayer, and of God. Neither role is any less important than the other, they’re just different. Jesus said that Mary Magdalen chose “the better way”, meaning the way of the contemplative life of prayer and dedication to God. She was one of those holy women that followed the example of Mary, who all loved Jesus more than anything else in the world, just like Mary did. They didn’t need to be ‘preachers’ to teach people how to love and follow Jesus. They did it by their own example, and by sharing their own love for Him with others. Some dedicated their entire lives to God by becoming Nuns (and men by becoming Monks), while others chose to follow God by living a holy family life, and raising children. That’s the way it has always been done in the Catholic Church, because it works. If it didn’t, there wouldn’t be a Catholic Church, today.
 
Thats taking it a little bit far, basically are you saying that these people who believe that women can become priest are being tempted by the Devil.

God gave people a brain to use, to make decisions, not to follow blindly, at the end of the day, while everyone is standing in front of God they are the ones to justify what they did in their lives.

But to make a point this thread isnt about women becoming priest is was about women pastors which are different, the OP wanted to know why it happened and how the decision was made
Qaletaqa,

I did not say the word tempted. I said that they were being deceived. This Is very much true. Deceived into believing that the Church established by Christ has been wrong for 2000 years. Deceived into believing that a painting showing a woman praying for two dead souls is instead a Mass. Deceived into believing that they are hearing the call of the Holy Spirit to become priests, against the teachings of the Church. St Paul says that we are to put on spiritual armor to fight against the spiritual forces of this world. We do so in part through prayer and receiving the sacraments, but also by adhering to the teachings of Christ’s Church, the pillar and bulwark of the Truth. Every time we stray from the teachings of the Church and insert “I believe” instead, we allow ourselves to be deceived.

Terrific article here on how the evil on tries to deceive by the Archdiocese of Washington.

PnP
 
Paul and the writer of Hebrews seem to disagree with you.

Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

1 Thess 5:12 We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you,13 and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work.
How does my lack of belief in the validity of your priests authority and powers contradict the two passages you quoted?

As a member of the Monthy Meeting I have agreed to put myself uner the authority of the Meeting which is carried out through those whom we have appointed as “elders”…I am bound by my word to follow the leadership of the Meeting, unless my conscience is violated by an action the elders take which I believe is against Quaker faith and practice, if that occurs I can bring it before the Meeting inn"concern".

That I do not accept the claims of “special ministerial priesthood” against the priesthood of all believers, does not contradict scripture either…as has already been stated above, I am not compelled to believe in Santa Clause no matter how much you tell me he is real.
 
That I do not accept the claims of “special ministerial priesthood” against the priesthood of all believers, does not contradict scripture either…as has already been stated above, I am not compelled to believe in Santa Clause no matter how much you tell me he is real.
When you profess that we have no need for a ministerial priesthood, you are proclaiming something which has not been found in a single page of the Bible.

As such, it is an unscriptural belief.
 
When you profess that we have no need for a ministerial priesthood, you are proclaiming something which has not been found in a single page of the Bible.

As such, it is an unscriptural belief.
While you can point to the Levitical priesthood under the Old Covenant, you cannot point to a NT passage that speaks of a ministerial priesthood either…the need for priests was fulfilled in Christ, we ALL NOW have access to God without the intermediary function of a priest…God’s gift is not offered through rites and rituals only performed by a “priest”…our Great High Priest has done the work for us.

No rituals, rites, ceremonies are required to be undertaken prior to God’s acceptance of us in Jesus of Nazareth.
 
While you can point to the Levitical priesthood under the Old Covenant, you cannot point to a NT passage that speaks of a ministerial priesthood either…the need for priests was fulfilled in Christ, we ALL NOW have access to God without the intermediary function of a priest…God’s gift is not offered through rites and rituals only performed by a “priest”…our Great High Priest has done the work for us.

No rituals, rites, ceremonies are required to be undertaken prior to God’s acceptance of us in Jesus of Nazareth.
Thanks for this, Publisher. As a Lutheran, I would find myself disagreeing with much of this, and would consider the Catholic view more scriptural.

Note to those who would group all “protestant” nonCatholics under one umbrella. 😉

Jon
 
Thanks for this, Publisher. As a Lutheran, I would find myself disagreeing with much of this, and would consider the Catholic view more scriptural.

Note to those who would group all “protestant” nonCatholics under one umbrella. 😉

Jon
Yep.

GKC
 
While you can point to the Levitical priesthood under the Old Covenant, you cannot point to a NT passage that speaks of a ministerial priesthood either…the need for priests was fulfilled in Christ, we ALL NOW have access to God without the intermediary function of a priest…God’s gift is not offered through rites and rituals only performed by a “priest”…our Great High Priest has done the work for us.

No rituals, rites, ceremonies are required to be undertaken prior to God’s acceptance of us in Jesus of Nazareth.
I don’t know what you mean by a passage that speaks of a ministerial priesthood:confused: If I do understand you than you are wrong. Jesus indeed established a priesthood. Jesus said “Do this in memory of me” fulfilling the Passover "14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial, and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD; throughout your generations ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.’

Breathing on the Apostles He tells them who sins you forgive are forgiven, who sins you retain will be retained fulfilling the Jewish scapegoat.

Jesus said “Go, therefore, 12 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” Fulfilling the circumcision of the old.
Jesus fulfilled the priesthood and He is indeed our high is our High priest but no where can you point to a scripture where Jesus does away with the priesthood. That the priesthood is assumed in the New Testament is to me a given. Who would “do this in memory” who would forgive sins Who would baptize if not priest?
Is one of you sick? Let him send for the presbyters of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the Lord’s name.
We have the mention of what is translated as bishops. You say however there is no mention? The Priesthood gone? No rituals, rites, ceremonies are required ? Than Jesus wouldn’t have said “do this” He wouldn’t have given the power to forgive sins, He wouldn’t have said to baptize. Jesus did not come to abolish but to fulfill. To repeat nowhere do you have scripture that Jesus abolished the priesthood but you do have scripture where He institutes rituals, rites, ceremonies which Jesus declared as necessary. I
 
I’m curious to know how so many churches have decided to allow women pastors. I can find hundreds of reasons not to allow women pastors aside from the obvious biblical passages but I haven’t been able to find reason to allow women pastors.

The following passages are the main ones of interest:

1 Tim 2:12 …11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.…

1 Tim 3:2…1It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money.…

1 Corinthians 14:34 …33for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.…
According to the biblical verses that you cited, a woman should also not be a teacher, a lector or a Eucharistic Minister, among other things, and not to open her mouth for any reason whatsoever in Church and a priest can be married but only to one wife, is that what you are trying to get across?
 
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