Denominations which allow Women Pastors.

[PRmerger]

While you can point to the Levitical priesthood under the Old Covenant, you cannot point to a NT passage that speaks of a ministerial priesthood either…the need for priests was fulfilled in Christ, we ALL NOW have access to God without the intermediary function of a priest…God’s gift is not offered through rites and rituals only performed by a “priest”…our Great High Priest has done the work for us.

Actually this is a different point that you are professing: “the Bible doesn’t support a ministerial priesthood”

That’s quite different from our original point which was:

we have no need for priests in this world, our Great High Priest is sufficient.

The Bible never states that.

You can search Genesis through Revelation and you’ll never find “we have no need for priests in this world” in a single page.

That’s a man-made tradition you’ve been duped into believing.

No rituals, rites, ceremonies are required to be undertaken prior to God’s acceptance of us in Jesus of Nazareth.

I suppose you would be ok if your daughter wanted to live with her boyfriend and not marry him?

I know you are not conservative in your moral values, so I’m not sure of your answer to this and am interested in your reply.

 

[steido01]

Let me mention that Protestants support the idea of the universal priesthood of all believers. Therefore, there are no ordained priests in protestant Churches, male of female. Ministers can be men or women, but they are not priests.

Oh? Are you certain that you speak for all “Protestants?”

 

[seaton2005]

Yes I do! Not only wrong but discriminatory in the eyes of Him.

 

[adrift]

Yes I do! Not only wrong but discriminatory in the eyes of Him.

What support do you have that God who instituted the priesthood naming Aaron and not his sister Miriam priest as well as not appointing a female apostle despite the many women followers?

 

[Irishgal49]

I went to an ELCA parish last night for their Thursday night worship and book study on the church as a community, which I really need right now. There is a pastor who is a woman. She is probably in her 60’s. She is so at peace with herself and has been at that parish for over 15 years. She is very competent and I love how she preached. No one else showed up for the book study and I had read the first chapter and we talked about my history with church, how I was brought up moving from denomination to denomination and the lack of feeling wanted/connected. It was really wonderful. She was very affirming and when we each talked about ministry and our seminary experiences I found a place where I can hang onto a positive feeling about being part of a community. I see where my past running has come from and I appreciated the time she spent with me.

I personally don’t care about who ordains women and who doesn’t. I don’t like that people push the Catholic Church about that. I was ordained and stepped down after my son died because I had a breakdown. I loved my parishes enough that I did that for them and myself. If you like and appreciate women as clergy, go somewhere else. I don’t favor beating my head against a wall.

I can say the time I was in the Catholic Church I had no issue about ordaining women. I think there might be some validity in resurrecting the role of deaconess as I think some women need someone to work with them, but I really didn’t care about all that. They said no, and while it’s disappointing I really didn’t make a fuss. I have a couple of priests that I am good friends with and I appreciate them in my life.

If you want women as clergy there are plenty of places you can go. I am at one right now and I really believe she is helping me work through some things and I value and appreciate her. I guess I’m strange in that even though I was an ordained clergywoman I really don’t get the arguing some people do to try to force the issue. They don’t, accept it or go elsewhere. It’s really quite simple.

 

[Porknpie]

I went to an ELCA parish last night for their Thursday night worship and book study on the church as a community, which I really need right now. There is a pastor who is a woman. She is probably in her 60’s. She is so at peace with herself and has been at that parish for over 15 years. She is very competent and I love how she preached. No one else showed up for the book study and I had read the first chapter and we talked about my history with church, how I was brought up moving from denomination to denomination and the lack of feeling wanted/connected. It was really wonderful. She was very affirming and when we each talked about ministry and our seminary experiences I found a place where I can hang onto a positive feeling about being part of a community. I see where my past running has come from and I appreciated the time she spent with me.

I personally don’t care about who ordains women and who doesn’t. I don’t like that people push the Catholic Church about that. I was ordained and stepped down after my son died because I had a breakdown. I loved my parishes enough that I did that for them and myself. If you like and appreciate women as clergy, go somewhere else. I don’t favor beating my head against a wall.

I can say the time I was in the Catholic Church I had no issue about ordaining women. I think there might be some validity in resurrecting the role of deaconess as I think some women need someone to work with them, but I really didn’t care about all that. They said no, and while it’s disappointing I really didn’t make a fuss. I have a couple of priests that I am good friends with and I appreciate them in my life.

If you want women as clergy there are plenty of places you can go. I am at one right now and I really believe she is helping me work through some things and I value and appreciate her. I gueuss I’m strange in that even though I was an ordained clergywoman I really don’t get the arguing some people do to try to force the issue. They don’t, accept it or go elsewhere. It’s really quite simple.

Irishgal,

First, my prayers are with you for the loss of your son. May God’s peace always comfort you.

Here’s a **CAF tract on the subject. ** I’m not sure if this was posted earlier in this thread or not. It certainly sounds like the woman pastor has the love of Christ. However, when any of us follow our own pride instead of Christ’s Church and say “I believe” we puff ourselves up. The foundation of humility is obedience. No where in scripture or Tradition have women been ordained.

The issue always at root is what is the nature of The Church established by Christ. Catholics believe Christ established a visible, authoritative, Church that he would lead to all truth. Those that listen to His Church listen to him. Those that do not, reject him and the one that sent him.

His Church has been consistent on this issue for 2000 years.

The only question is: will one listen to it or not?

PnP

 

[Irishgal49]

Irishgal,

First, my prayers are with you for the loss of your son. May God’s peace always comfort you.

Here’s a **CAF tract on the subject. ** I’m not sure if this was posted earlier in this thread or not. It certainly sounds like the woman pastor has the love of Christ. However, when any of us follow our own pride instead of Christ’s Church and say “I believe” we puff ourselves up. The foundation of humility is obedience. No where in scripture or Tradition have women been ordained.

The issue always at root is what is the nature of The Church established by Christ. Catholics believe Christ established a visible, authoritative, Church that he would lead to all truth. Those that listen to His Church listen to him. Those that do not, reject him and the one that sent him.

His Church has been consistent on this issue for 2000 years.

The only question is: will one listen to it or not?

PnP

It seems some of your members don’t agree or choose to argue. I’m just saying if you’re going to rail, fight, and throw a fit then go elsewhere. People who are fighting about it don’t want to really follow the faith they want to change it. Why be there if you don’t agree with what it teaches? That’s why I left and I don’t see a reason to fight and be obnoxious. Since the RCC has not changed this or ever done it I guess I don’t get why people fight about it. It’s not like they did it and quit. If they are fighting they obviously don’t agree with what you’re saying.

Just saying, if you have that much of a beef, take it elsewhere. There are lots of churches where women are clergy and since following the faith tradition isn’t something they agree on, go to the churches that have clergywomen.

I guess it’s having been the mother of 3 boys. I used to tell them that they either do something about their problem or shut up. I don’t see what there would be to discuss.

 

[PRmerger]

I went to an ELCA parish last night for their Thursday night worship and book study on the church as a community, which I really need right now. There is a pastor who is a woman. She is probably in her 60’s. She is so at peace with herself and has been at that parish for over 15 years. She is very competent and I love how she preached. No one else showed up for the book study and I had read the first chapter and we talked about my history with church, how I was brought up moving from denomination to denomination and the lack of feeling wanted/connected. It was really wonderful. She was very affirming and when we each talked about ministry and our seminary experiences I found a place where I can hang onto a positive feeling about being part of a community. I see where my past running has come from and I appreciated the time she spent with me.

I personally don’t care about who ordains women and who doesn’t. I don’t like that people push the Catholic Church about that. I was ordained and stepped down after my son died because I had a breakdown. I loved my parishes enough that I did that for them and myself. If you like and appreciate women as clergy, go somewhere else. I don’t favor beating my head against a wall.

I can say the time I was in the Catholic Church I had no issue about ordaining women. I think there might be some validity in resurrecting the role of deaconess as I think some women need someone to work with them, but I really didn’t care about all that. They said no, and while it’s disappointing I really didn’t make a fuss. I have a couple of priests that I am good friends with and I appreciate them in my life.

I am saddened by your loss, Irishgal. I pray that God gives you comfort and peace in your journey here.

If you want women as clergy there are plenty of places you can go. I am at one right now and I really believe she is helping me work through some things and I value and appreciate her. I guess I’m strange in that even though I was an ordained clergywoman I really don’t get the arguing some people do to try to force the issue. They don’t, accept it or go elsewhere. It’s really quite simple.

This, friend, is the epitome of creating a god after one’s own image.

One ought not be “church shopping” for a denomination which fits what one’s own tastes and ideas are.

Rather, one ought to shop for the Church which Christ established, and then conform one’s views to that.

 

[Tom_Baum]

Jesus said, “I AM the Vine and you are the branches”, He did not say, ‘I Am the Vine and you are the branch’.

Since the CC actually teaches that the “walls”, so to speak, of the CC does not confine the CC maybe we should at least think about what the CC teaches as opposed to our interpretation of what we think the CC teaches.

So many seem to think that attempting to box in God is doing God a favor, not only is it NOT doing God a favor, it is also not working.

God’s Will will be done.

 

[PRmerger]

Jesus said, “I AM the Vine and you are the branches”, He did not say, ‘I Am the Vine and you are the branch’.

Since the CC actually teaches that the “walls”, so to speak, of the CC does not confine the CC maybe we should at least think about what the CC teaches as opposed to our interpretation of what we think the CC teaches.

So many seem to think that attempting to box in God is doing God a favor, not only is it NOT doing God a favor, it is also not working.

God’s Will will be done.

To whom is this addressed?

 

[Tom_Baum]

To whom is this addressed?

Everyone on the entire planet.

 

[PRmerger]

Everyone on the entire planet.

Can you offer some sort of context as to why you posted the Vine reference, as well as your objection to boxing God in, as it applies to this discussion here?

 

[EvangelCatholic]

Sometimes I wonder why all the negative attention to the expansion of Christianity. Women ministering to God’s people. We welcome all into the Church.

It seems that “religious” folk can be very unwelcoming. Like the tragic deaths among extremist Muslims [Sunni/ Shia].

 

[PRmerger]

Sometimes I wonder why all the negative attention to the expansion of Christianity. Women ministering to God’s people.

Women minister in our Church all the time, EC.

We welcome all into the Church.

Indeed. All are welcome in the CC.

It seems that “religious” folk can be very unwelcoming. Like the tragic deaths among extremist Muslims [Sunni/ Shia].

True. Sad, but true.

 

[Irishgal49]

I am saddened by your loss, Irishgal. I pray that God gives you comfort and peace in your journey here.

This, friend, is the epitome of creating a god after one’s own image.

One ought not be “church shopping” for a denomination which fits what one’s own tastes and ideas are.

Rather, one ought to shop for the Church which Christ established, and then conform one’s views to that.

But if they are arguing about it they don’t believe it. You can’t make people agree with something. I admire you trying to win people, but it seems they already know and they aren’t going to listen. It doesn’t seem like an issue where one can sit on the fence. I didn’t leave over that issue but I guess people do.

Thanks for your comments, you are very kind. Interesting discussion.

 

[PRmerger]

But if they are arguing about it they don’t believe it. You can’t make people agree with something.

2 thoughts:

Yes, you can’t make people believe something. But if that’s what Jesus says, one ought not say to Him, “I just don’t believe what you’re saying is true, Jesus.” What one ought to do is conform one’s views to Christ’s.

And if one shops around for a church that conforms to all of one’s beliefs, one is essentially joining the church of the Almighty Self rather than the Church of the Almighty.

Like my signature says: If your god never disagrees with you, you might just be worshiping an idealized version of yourself.

 

[Porknpie]

I’m just saying if you’re going to rail, fight, and throw a fit then go elsewhere.

Irishgal, do you see the irony here? This is exactly what those have done in departing from the apostolic faith.

PnP

 

[seaton2005]

I don’t have the data to share at this time, but I would suspect that the majority of organized religions do allow women pastors. Of course, the Catholic Church would be the exception in allowing females to celebrate the good word too as the men priest do. I do hope the Catholic Church will begin to study this issue thoroughly and some day allow women to serve as priests. That’s probably the right thing to do.

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t have the data to share at this time, but I would suspect that the majority of organized religions do allow women pastors.

Yes. And that’s because in their denominations pastors are not priests.

Pastorship is about leading a congregation, preaching a thoughtful sermon, managing a parish financially, counseling families and individuals…

and women can do all those things.

Probably, even better than some men can.

But, of course, the CC does not see the priesthood as a job.

It’s as different from a Protestant pastorship as a really good and inspiring novel is different from the Bible. Or a really delicious piece of bread is from the Eucharist.

 

[seaton2005]

Yes. And that’s because in their denominations pastors are not priests.

Pastorship is about leading a congregation, preaching a thoughtful sermon, managing a parish financially, counseling families and individuals…

and women can do all those things.

Probably, even better than some men can.

But, of course, the CC does not see the priesthood as a job.

It’s as different from a Protestant pastorship as a really good and inspiring novel is different from the Bible. Or a really delicious piece of bread is from the Eucharist.

I read your reply with great interest. I don’t agree with everything you espouse. I believe that organized religions serve to primarily perform the same function - maybe just slightly nuanced - but the same function and objectives. In regards to your opinion that priests don’t consider it a job. That’s a bit naïve and an interesting assertion. I would say it’s a (vocation) and a job. They call it a vocation. They draw a paycheck from the dioceses just like any other important and vital craft (e.g., surgeon, soldier, police officer, firefighter, EMS). A priest and a pastor serve essentially the same mission of serving God and saving soles (whether you are Catholic or Protestant). With that said, in the end, it won’t matter if you were a Catholic or protestant, it’s how you live your life and what’s in your heart. Take care.