Denominations which allow Women Pastors.

[TheSeeker2014]

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Under his instruction?

Why? Is he an infallible interpreter of the Word of God?

they need to be in agreement. Under his instruction would be keeping to the topic of what is being discussed and obviously permission to go up there and speak.
Before speaking they would be discussing with each other about the topic, things to add and most importantly praying. It is a partnership effort. As they would be one and need to act like it.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

it would be like a plan of action. who takes what roles and does what.

 

[PRmerger]

they need to be in agreement. Under his instruction would be keeping to the topic of what is being discussed and obviously permission to go up there and speak.
Before speaking they would be discussing with each other about the topic, things to add and most importantly praying. It is a partnership effort. As they would be one and need to act like it.

Indeed. It is a partnership, if a woman is married.

However, if a woman is a single adult and has no husband to give her “instruction”, who is she to partner with?

 

[TheSeeker2014]

Indeed. It is a partnership, if a woman is married.

However, if a woman is a single adult and has no husband to give her “instruction”, who is she to partner with?

male authoritative figure. In this case since we are talking about pulpits, the pastor.

Pastor would be male. female was made as a companion and help to man.

Male pastor married or not should be supported in the church by the female attenders.

example:
single male pastor
random female from the congregation comes up to take prayer requests and encourages the congregation.

she would be under his instruction… or if you prefer another word, agreement

also… the male can preach on bot the male and female side of a male or female topic… and the female like wise… but under his instruction/ agreement

males cannot preach the word without females help and vis versa. because of genesis and how we are all made.
this would all be somethign they should be praying over and about before every service.

 

[PRmerger]

male authoritative figure. In this case since we are talking about pulpits, the pastor.

Pastor would be male. female was made as a companion and help to man.

Male pastor married or not should be supported in the church by the female attenders.

example:
single male pastor
random female from the congregation comes up to take prayer requests and encourages the congregation.

she would be under his instruction… or if you prefer another word, agreement

also… the male can preach on bot the male and female side of a male or female topic… and the female like wise… but under his instruction/ agreement

males cannot preach the word without females help and vis versa. because of genesis and how we are all made.
this would all be somethign they should be praying over and about before every service.

Okey dokey.

 

[Porknpie]

males cannot preach the word without females help and vis versa. because of genesis and how we are all made.

TheSeeker, do you have an example of one of the apostles to which this thinking apply’s?

PnP

 

[PRmerger]

TheSeeker, do you have an example of one of the apostles to which this thinking apply’s?

PnP

Ah, yes. That is a trenchant question, to be sure!

 

[TheSeeker2014]

TheSeeker, do you have an example of one of the apostles to which this thinking apply’s?

PnP

The apostles were not into recording their own lives… the closest thing would be:
Genesis 2:18
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:21-24
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

1 Timothy 2:12-15
12 I don’t allow a woman to teach a man or tell him what to do. She must listen quietly, 13 because Adam was made first. Eve was made later. 14 Also, Adam was not the one who was tricked.[a] It was the woman who was tricked and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved in their work of having children. They will be saved if they continue to live in faith, love, and holiness with sensible behavior.

1Cor 11:9
8For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.…

Titus 2:3-5The older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.

Acts 18:25-26This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

and of course some of these are from Paul the apostle.

 

[PRmerger]

males cannot preach the word without females help and vis versa.

The apostles were not into recording their own lives… the closest thing would be:
Genesis 2:18
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:21-24
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

1 Timothy 2:12-15
12 I don’t allow a woman to teach a man or tell him what to do. She must listen quietly, 13 because Adam was made first. Eve was made later. 14 Also, Adam was not the one who was tricked.[a] It was the woman who was tricked and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved in their work of having children. They will be saved if they continue to live in faith, love, and holiness with sensible behavior.

1Cor 11:9
8For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.…

Titus 2:3-5The older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.

Acts 18:25-26This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

and of course some of these are from Paul the apostle.

So what females helped Paul in his ministry? And Peter and John and James?

 

[Tom_Baum]

Some of the “back and forth” reminds me of when the Apostles complained to Jesus about some that were speaking in His Name but weren’t in “lock-step” with the Apostles and what did Jesus say concerning this?

Who knows, maybe God knows exactly what He is doing whether we agree with Him or not on the details.

Some that are “following” Jesus “differently” may just be following Jesus better.

Uniformity does not necessarily equate with unity, if God had wanted us to be “clones”, God could have easily made us "clones’, but God did not do this.

Could be that God sees all of the diversity as unity whereas we, at least some of us, don’t see it that way at all.

It is written, “My Ways are not your ways and My Thoughts are not your thoughts”.

God made us ALL and ALL of us are individually different, who knows, maybe God did it that way on purpose.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

So what females helped Paul in his ministry? And Peter and John and James?

they did not record their own lives… but these are examples that had happened in the church that were recorded plus what God said in genesis recorded by Moses. What was asked was “males cannot preach the word without females help and vis versa. because of genesis and how we are all made.”
“TheSeeker, do you have an example of one of the apostles to which this thinking apply’s?”

nothing was asked about the apostle themselves being helped in their lives and being recorded.
however…
with the 12 disciples… there were often women among them

Luke 8:1-3: “After this, Jesus traveled about from one town to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna, the wife of Chuza, the manager of Herod’s household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”

so your question as well is answered.

EDIT:

If you would like another… here:
These women disciples were with Jesus to the end, present at the crucifixion, in some cases acting with more bravery and loyalty than The Twelve, who fled and feared for their own lives. From Mark 15:40-41: “Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph, and Salome. In Galilee these women had followed him and cared for his needs. Many other women who had come up with him to Jerusalem were also there.” –In Mark’s account, the oldest of the four gospels, the disciples are not present at the crucifixion—they run away after Jesus’ arrest and are not said to have returned. Similarly, in Matthew’s account, the disciples have run away and only the women are present at Jesus’ death. From Luke 23:49: “But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things.” John 19:25-27: “Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple he loved standing nearby, he said to her, ‘Woman, here is your son,’ and to the disciple, ‘Here is your mother.’ From that time, this disciple took her into his home.” Even as he suffers pain and death, Jesus is surrounded by the women who followed him, and he is exhibiting concern for their welfare.
and here is a source

erniebufflo.com/2010/10/21/jesus-and-gender-part-4-women-disciples/

 

[SteveVH]

Some of the “back and forth” reminds me of when the Apostles complained to Jesus about some that were speaking in His Name but weren’t in “lock-step” with the Apostles and what did Jesus say concerning this?

Who knows, maybe God knows exactly what He is doing whether we agree with Him or not on the details.

Some that are “following” Jesus “differently” may just be following Jesus better.

Uniformity does not necessarily equate with unity, if God had wanted us to be “clones”, God could have easily made us "clones’, but God did not do this.

Could be that God sees all of the diversity as unity whereas we, at least some of us, don’t see it that way at all.

It is written, “My Ways are not your ways and My Thoughts are not your thoughts”.

God made us ALL and ALL of us are individually different, who knows, maybe God did it that way on purpose.

Truth is not subject to individual differences.

Some follow Jesus “differently” by appearing at funerals of our fallen soldiers and telling the families that God hates their son or daughter (Westboro Baptist Church). Some follow Jesus “differently” by denying his divinity (JW’s). Some, if not many, follow Jesus “differently” by denying his true presence in the Eucharist (Take your pick).

God is not a God of confusion and contradiction.

 

[PRmerger]

they did not record their own lives… but these are examples that had happened in the church that were recorded plus what God said in genesis recorded by Moses.

But how do you know that this applies to the Apostles?

Does it not appear that you are adding to Scripture when you make a very definitive doctrinal pronouncement that “males cannot preach the word without females”.

One would think that this ought to be stated very clearly in the Bible.

And, in fact, we have no mention whatsoever of women assisting the Apostles in their preaching.

What was asked was "males cannot preach the word without females help and vis versa.
however…

with the 12 disciples… there were often women among them

Luke 8:1-3: “After this, Jesus traveled about from one town to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna, the wife of Chuza, the manager of Herod’s household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.”

so your question as well is answered.

EDIT:

If you would like another… here:
These women disciples were with Jesus to the end, present at the crucifixion, in some cases acting with more bravery and loyalty than The Twelve, who fled and feared for their own lives. From Mark 15:40-41: “Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph, and Salome. In Galilee these women had followed him and cared for his needs. Many other women who had come up with him to Jerusalem were also there.” –In Mark’s account, the oldest of the four gospels, the disciples are not present at the crucifixion—they run away after Jesus’ arrest and are not said to have returned. Similarly, in Matthew’s account, the disciples have run away and only the women are present at Jesus’ death. From Luke 23:49: “But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things.” John 19:25-27: “Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple he loved standing nearby, he said to her, ‘Woman, here is your son,’ and to the disciple, ‘Here is your mother.’ From that time, this disciple took her into his home.” Even as he suffers pain and death, Jesus is surrounded by the women who followed him, and he is exhibiting concern for their welfare.
and here is a source

erniebufflo.com/2010/10/21/jesus-and-gender-part-4-women-disciples/

It appears that you are adding quite a bit here. There is no mention of any of these women assisting the Apostles in their preaching.

In fact, one might use your Scripture references to declare that women should be ordained ministers–for, after all, women accompanied Jesus, right?

 

[Tom_Baum]

Truth is not subject to individual differences.

Some follow Jesus “differently” by appearing at funerals of our fallen soldiers and telling the families that God hates their son or daughter (Westboro Baptist Church). Some follow Jesus “differently” by denying his divinity (JW’s). Some, if not many, follow Jesus “differently” by denying his true presence in the Eucharist (Take your pick).

God is not a God of confusion and contradiction.

As far as “God is not a God of confusion and contradiction”, doesn’t it say something, somewhere about the “tower of babel”?

By the way, what about, “Some of the “back and forth” reminds me of when the Apostles complained to Jesus about some that were speaking in His Name but weren’t in “lock-step” with the Apostles and what did Jesus say concerning this?”?

Also, concerning, “Some follow Jesus “differently” by appearing at funerals of our fallen soldiers and telling the families that God hates their son or daughter (Westboro Baptist Church). Some follow Jesus “differently” by denying his divinity (JW’s). Some, if not many, follow Jesus “differently” by denying his true presence in the Eucharist (Take your pick).”, do you think that there might be some others on the planet that follow Jesus differently than what you approve of, other than these?

Could be a “truth” that we all have “individual differences” and these “individual differences” were and are a very integral part of the PLAN OF GOD.

 

[JonNC]

So what females helped Paul in his ministry? And Peter and John and James?

RE: John. Didn’t he take in the Blessed Virgin Mary? I assume they would have talked at some point.

Jon

 

[PRmerger]

RE: John. Didn’t he take in the Blessed Virgin Mary? I assume they would have talked at some point.

Jon

I stand corrected.

I would love to have all Christians acknowledge that all of the Apostles, and their successors, must give consideration to the whispering of the Virgin Mary as they preach the Word.

 

[JonNC]

I stand corrected.

I would love to have all Christians acknowledge that all of the Apostles, and their successors, must give consideration to the whispering of the Virgin Mary as they preach the Word.

Certainly the Apostles, and by her example, all of us! And while scripture does not refer to it, the other women who were with the disciples were probably significant -]helpers/-] partners, as well.

Jon

 

[TheSeeker2014]

But how do you know that this applies to the Apostles?

Does it not appear that you are adding to Scripture when you make a very definitive doctrinal pronouncement that “males cannot preach the word without females”.

One would think that this ought to be stated very clearly in the Bible.

And, in fact, we have no mention whatsoever of women assisting the Apostles in their preaching.

It appears that you are adding quite a bit here. There is no mention of any of these women assisting the Apostles in their preaching.

In fact, one might use your Scripture references to declare that women should be ordained ministers–for, after all, women accompanied Jesus, right?

What I have stated would be my drawn conclusion from the various scriptures.

Does it not appear that you are adding to Scripture when you make a very definitive doctrinal pronouncement that “males cannot preach the word without females”.

one could say the same about Mary being ascended… you would think the bible would state that very clearly… but instead it was just a conclusion drawn from the last book of the New Testament. (deleted error)
The women mention were right out of scripture.
Luke 8:1-3
Mark 15:40-41
Mark 15:40-41

just the fact of those women among them with the genesis script as well as the script mentioned they had followed for support on their own supports my conclusion.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

Certainly the Apostles, and by her example, all of us! And while scripture does not refer to it, the other women who were with the disciples were probably significant -]helpers/-] partners, as well.

Jon

yay at least the fact the Virgin Mary was around was finally caught.

 

[PRmerger]

one could say the same about Mary being ascended… you would think the bible would state that very clearly…

Well, Seeker, that’s actually not our paradigm, but rather yours.

Catholicism does not distill its doctrines from the pages of a book, no matter how holy.

That is *your *belief that all things we believe about God must be found in the Bible, not ours.

but instead it was just a conclusion drawn from the last book of the New Testament. (deleted error)

No. Our belief comes from the kerygma, which came from the Apostles, which came from the Word of God.

Not from the Bible.

The Catholic faith was whole and entire before a single word of the NT was ever put to writ.

Thus, the belief in Mary’s Assumption (not ascension) was being proclaimed before the book of Revelation was ever written down.

The women mention were right out of scripture.
Luke 8:1-3
Mark 15:40-41
Mark 15:40-41

just the fact of those women among them with the genesis script as well as the script mentioned they had followed for support on their own supports my conclusion.

It would seem, then, that women ought to be ordained in your church–for that is what you are presenting with these Scriptures.