One would think that the Church would preach and reinforce what Catholics teach in the home. It is frustrated and the kids think it is our own thinking. We need the backup from the authority of the Church on a regular basis.
Wow! Really? It’s a Pope speaking not a stand-up comedian. As he says in one of his encyclicals warning people about divorce and contraception:
The Pope isn’t some guy on the street. He has a benefit of perspective and scope that his office naturally gives him, as all high offices give men.
False. In fact, this is one of the more popular teachings my RCIA class -especially the ladies- liked. One young, obedient couple did study and did understand it, and they are only now in University. Perhaps education has improved since your time.
Fear.
And divorce.
It all boils down to a lack of trust in God. In my younger years I was afraid and yes I out my trust in myself rather than God. I have done a full 180 and what a difference it makes.
If you swim out in the big ocean and looking straight into the eye of ecomonic depression…would anyone want to subject a child to endless poverty and handouts from the places you site? NFP can and sometimes can prevent that…sometimes, it can’t…biology doesn’t make it an absolute. If you look around your parish…look at how many families are 2 to 3 children. There is a deeper reason…only known and should be known to those involved in the family…not the Church community or the judges in the pews.Then frankly your doctoral education must suck:
I clearly recall…and forgive can’t site chapter and verse…but Jesus told the Apostles to go out among the people and in “basic” terms speak to them where their live…to their culture climate…level of education.
- You gave up. How you got a doctoral education by giving up on things after a few pages is a real shocker.
- I can read it without any issues without a “doctoral education”.
Wow! Really? It’s a Pope speaking not a stand-up comedian. As he says in one of his encyclicals warning people about divorce and contraception:
I understand your point…there are Catholics who do have a concern about the presentation of the message. Powerpoint is …well boring…and if spoken…is boring still.
The Pope isn’t some guy on the street. He has a benefit of perspective and scope that his office naturally gives him, as all high offices give men.and women
John the Baptist was as “street” as one person can get…and he brought thousands to Christianity. The Apostles were very “street” and traveled many miles to bring people to Christ…without all the “pomp and circumstance”. I believe this is what the poster was referring to.
False. In fact, this is one of the more popular teachings my RCIA class -especially the ladies- liked. One young, obedient couple did study and did understand it, and they are only now in University. Perhaps education has improved since your time.
I went through RCIA later in life and don’t remember the NFP discussion. I was 28 at the time. If it works for the university couple…that is great…but it is not exclusive or absolute for everyone.
Fear.
Are they afraid there is no governmental assistance for children? Are they afraid -God forbid- the Food Banks are all closing? Are they afraid Public Schools are going to start charging them? Are they afraid the Salvation Army will stop providing clothing? Are they afraid medical science is incapable of almost guaranteering a safe child delivery?
What, exactly, are they afraid of?
And divorce.
And abortion.
What’s your point? For a dude claiming to be educated and acting like he knows what he is talking about, you may want to brush up on the definition of heresy.
You’ve clearly been blessed in life, and obviously that life has lifted you up so far from reality that you can afford not to see the great suffering, loneliness, anxiety and general misery that is rampant in modern generations.
You should be thanking God for a good life, not helping the Devil destroy the lives of today’s generation by turning them against the only institutional authority on Earth that truly loves them and teaches them the Truth so they can be reasonably happy in this life, and perfectly happy forever in the next.
Your personal insult noted.
Your uncharitable remark noted.
How nice.
Oh, did I imply that the Pope is a stand-up comic? Please show me the quotation from my post.
I can’t agree. There are any number of men holding high office who are without perspective and scope. Just ask some of the conservatives on this Forum if they believe that our President is a man with perspective and scope.
Your personal insult noted.
Go ask them.
Your personal insult noted.
How so? You know nothing of what my life is like.
The curse of the educated - the inability to look around them.
So what’s the minimum quota of Playstations and Nike swag a human being needs to live a happy life of fulfillment? All human beings need food, shelter and water; beyond that, what is most important for them and their development is the love of their parents.
Who’s playing Judge? You’re statement there is as much a ruling as any from a judge in the pew.
Of course, you are correct, but that family is supposed to follow Church teaching. I don’t judge people by the number of children they have because there could be a host of reasons:
I agree, but even those with larger lifestyles may have fallen into the first two of your categories. I would hope that well-to-do couples like that would consider adopting children.
Just wanted you see what it looks like…out in the “real world”. I know you are in Canada…but I am sure you are up to the latest as to what is going on in the US.
Actually, I was not insulting you personally, but the quality of the education. You’re not the one who determines the ultimate quality of education. That’s the educators’ reponsibility.
Yes, I may be hurting your feelings. But what’s more uncharitable:
No, you disparaged the teachings of the Holy Fathers because they speak with authority and from the vantage point of a Shepherd, which they are. If they taught or spoke otherwise, then they would not be Shepherds in Truth but something more like stand-up comedians, for example. As an educated man, you should be able to appreciate why Truth should and must be taught with authority, and why the Catholic Church teaches not only with authority, but with love too. Hence, it seems “lofty” because it is. It’s supposed to be.
So what? Whether or how a leader utilizes the advantages that come with high office is besides the point that the advantage is there; it exists.
I said nothing about my feelings, just noted the insults.
Please quote from one of my messages to back up this claim??
I would argue that it should be comprehensible to the average Catholic, and readable to facilitate that. The Popes should be addressing the ordinary Faithful, not those with advanced educations. Read Theology of the Body. Do you think that an ordinary Catholic can make his or her way through all that and understand it readily?
Again, where did I “dismiss it out of hand”?
That has been your experience, and it’s grand that you run with young women who share that fine mentality, but it is undeniable that a large percentage of young women, including Catholics, do use ABC either with their boyfriends or as young marrieds.
Yes, I’m in Canada and frankly we know more than anyone else on Earth what goes on in the U.S. Our lifestyles, our culture, our standard of living and beliefs are almost exactly the same.
So Bishops and educated Catholics need to assist more in the process?
That’s the impression I got from reading your posts. I apologize (again) if I misread your intentions; nonetheless, and let’s be honest here, you weren’t going out of your way to defend Catholic teaching on this matter.
I agree in principle, and would suggest that perhaps, though the original documents are difficult for many or most; nonetheless, educated Catholics and Bishops have a positive duty to make it understandable -as much as it needs to be- for the local laity, whose education and composition might vary wildly.
…oh, crud. I wrote that wrong. Actually, my intention to say say I’d never met a girl who DID know it was wrong. Darn those double negatives.
I suspect that those couples, Catholic and non-Catholic, who choose to use ABC don’t do so in agreement to commit a sin. I doubt if it even crosses the minds of most of them.So, they are in complete agreement to mortally sin? That’s reassuring.
Not to worry. There’s many a slip between cup and lip.
