Despite Catholic teachings, women religiously take the pill

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Brilliant theology. Everybody’s doing it, therefore it can’t be wrong. :rolleyes:

Let’s just ignore that massive correlation between contraceptive use and divorce, infidelity and fornication. Must just be a coincidence.

The dead giveaway that the story is propaganda rather than an objective analysis of the issue is the use of the word “rythym” instead of natural family planning (NFP). When an article is written that way, it is a neon sign. Kind of like when a journalist writes about abortion and compares the “pro-choice” and “anti-choice” positions…

It is true that the vast majority of catholics ignore church teaching on contraception. And that’s a shame. The vast majority of catholics ALSO ignore church teaching on cohabitation and premarital sex too. So what? The majority practice does not determine morality. At one time the majority of Americans found slavery to be an acceptable practice as well. 🤷

It’s a shame that the majority of catholics care so little for their faith that they haven’t even given the Bride of Christ a real opportunity to make her case on the issue of contraception. Anyone who hasn’t really needs to read the encyclical Humanae Vitae at least. Turns out it isn’t just an accident that sex is both really fun and often makes babies. God actually made it that way and He’s a pretty smart guy. Usually He has good reasons for what He does. Why not find out?
 
I like the title of your post. Filled with iorny. Despite Catholic teachings, women religouisly take the pill. That’s funny!
 
They are called cafeteria Catholics and there are a lot of them. 😦
 
manualman said:
Brilliant theology. Everybody’s doing it, therefore it can’t be wrong. :rolleyes:

Let’s just ignore that massive correlation between contraceptive use and divorce, infidelity and fornication. Must just be a coincidence.

The dead giveaway that the story is propaganda rather than an objective analysis of the issue is the use of the word “rythym” instead of natural family planning (NFP). When an article is written that way, it is a neon sign. Kind of like when a journalist writes about abortion and compares the “pro-choice” and “anti-choice” positions…

It is true that the vast majority of catholics ignore church teaching on contraception. And that’s a shame. The vast majority of catholics ALSO ignore church teaching on cohabitation and premarital sex too. So what? The majority practice does not determine morality. At one time the majority of Americans found slavery to be an acceptable practice as well. 🤷

It’s a shame that the majority of catholics care so little for their faith that they haven’t even given the Bride of Christ a real opportunity to make her case on the issue of contraception. Anyone who hasn’t really needs to read the encyclical Humanae Vitae at least. Turns out it isn’t just an accident that sex is both really fun and often makes babies. God actually made it that way and He’s a pretty smart guy. Usually He has good reasons for what He does. Why not find out?
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Well said! 👍
 
I was happy to read Janet Smith’s response–she’s an intellectual hero of mine. Unfortunately, although all Catholics seem to know the Church opposes the use of artificial contraception, few understand the sound reasoning behind the teaching. (Smith’s “Contraception: Why Not?” tape / video is a great starting point in teaching them!)

I have never heard a priest preach on contraception. That proves nothing, of course, but most people I’ve asked can’t remember the last time they heard it preached on either. Which means it is possible for a child to be baptized into the Church and reach the age of consent for marraige without having heard a priest explain what’s wrong with artificial contraception!
 
As my username states, I’m the father of 9 woinderful children ages 2 to 22. The bottom line for many couples is that they don’t want to make the sacrifices necessary to have a larger family. I’ll be the first to admit that yes, it’s a challenge and requires lot of hard work and faith by both parents. But the rewards are worth it, both in this life and in the next.
 
manualman said:
Let’s just ignore that massive correlation between contraceptive use and divorce, infidelity and fornication. Must just be a coincidence.
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Have you seen some literature that claims that the use of contraceptives leads to divorce, infidelity, and fornication/adultery???

I’d like to see the statistics that claim that women on the pill, especially Catholic women, have a boyfriend on the side or a divorce lawyer on their speed dial. I agree with you that there can’t be any correlation except by coincidence.
 
I’m sure that many Catholics ignore Church teaching on birth control, but there are priests who still preach about it and lay people who are doing what they can to educate.

I’m sure there is other data that is more accurate, but the one cited in the article is not (bolding mine):
Ninety-eight percent of American women aged 15-44 have used some form of contraception and more than 44 million have used the pill, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
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My wife and I “have used” the pill and other forms of contraception. However, we haven’t used either since 2000. We stopped using birth control and have been using NFP and have had two more children since (not “accidents”) and then stopped having children due to medical issues my wife has. NFP is very effective and has been a blessing for our marriage.

I hope that more Catholics are being moved to obedience regarding birth control. I know at our parish, we do everything we can to educate couples. I’m pretty certain that our percentages would be different than many other parishes because of this.
 
Father_of_9 said:
As my username states, I’m the father of 9 woinderful children ages 2 to 22. The bottom line for many couples is that they don’t want to make the sacrifices necessary to have a larger family. I’ll be the first to admit that yes, it’s a challenge and requires lot of hard work and faith by both parents. But the rewards are worth it, both in this life and in the next.
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My wife and I have five kids, and it was very difficult for us given our financial means.

Our situation was different from yours, and certainly different from that of others, but I will judge no couple for how many or how few children they have. As for the worth of the “rewards” of having many children, I leave that to the judgment of the couple to assess.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Have you seen some literature that claims that the use of contraceptives leads to divorce, infidelity, and fornication/adultery???

I’d like to see the statistics that claim that women on the pill, especially Catholic women, have a boyfriend on the side or a divorce lawyer on their speed dial. I agree with you that there can’t be any correlation except by coincidence.
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If you want literature, just google “NFP divorce”. You should find some stuff.

You supposed to *prove *that it causes those things. You can only show a correlation and come up with theories as to why that correlation exists. Perhaps a warped view of sexuality weakens marriages–sex which when healthy is supposed to strengthen the marital bond.

The correlation is especially salient when you compare divorce between those who practice artificial contraceptives and those who practice NFP. NFP’s divorce rate is less than 4%.

Putting the two side-by-side, its pretty easy to see that the correlation isn’t a coincidence.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
My wife and I have five kids, and it was very difficult for us given our financial means.

Our situation was different from yours, and certainly different from that of others, but I will judge no couple for how many or how few children they have. As for the worth of the “rewards” of having many children, I leave that to the judgment of the couple to assess.
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NFP is an effective method of regulating births–on par as most artificial methods. It only requires knowledge and periodic abstinence.
 
Religion_Ninja said:
The correlation is especially salient when you compare divorce between those who practice artificial contraceptives and those who practice NFP. NFP’s divorce rate is less than 4%.

Putting the two side-by-side, its pretty easy to see that the correlation isn’t a coincidence.
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Not so sure about that. Divorce is brought about by many factors. Given the large percentage who use artificial birth control, the one factor of NFP can’t be controlling. Also, I’d think that it would depend on the religion the couple practices or doesn’t practice.
 
Father_of_9 said:
As my username states, I’m the father of 9 woinderful children ages 2 to 22. The bottom line for many couples is that they don’t want to make the sacrifices necessary to have a larger family. I’ll be the first to admit that yes, it’s a challenge and requires lot of hard work and faith by both parents. But the rewards are worth it, both in this life and in the next.
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Exactly!

I know of a family (a doctor and with a career wife - together more than 200k) once said to us, We cannot have more than two children. We would not be able to afford them and the other two deserve our resources. 😦
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Have you seen some literature that claims that the use of contraceptives leads to divorce, infidelity, and fornication/adultery???

I’d like to see the statistics that claim that women on the pill, especially Catholic women, have a boyfriend on the side or a divorce lawyer on their speed dial. I agree with you that there can’t be any correlation except by coincidence.
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Well we can start with predictions -

CASTI CONNUBII
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI
ON CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE
TO THE VENERABLE BRETHREN, PATRIARCHS,
PRIMATES, ARCHBISHOPS, BISHOPS, AND OTHER LOCAL ORDINARIES
ENJOYING PEACE AND COMMUNION WITH THE APOSTOLIC SEE.

This was written when the Protestants first approved contraception. Read and see if the Pope was correct.
 
rlg94086 said:
I’m sure that many Catholics ignore Church teaching on birth control, but there are priests who still preach about it and lay people who are doing what they can to educate.

I’m sure there is other data that is more accurate, but the one cited in the article is not (bolding mine):

My wife and I “have used” the pill and other forms of contraception. However, we haven’t used either since 2000. We stopped using birth control and have been using NFP and have had two more children since (not “accidents”) and then stopped having children due to medical issues my wife has. NFP is very effective and has been a blessing for our marriage.

I hope that more Catholics are being moved to obedience regarding birth control. I know at our parish, we do everything we can to educate couples. I’m pretty certain that our percentages would be different than many other parishes because of this.
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Guess where it is being preached? - Catholic Radio!!! Sadly not from the pulpit.
 
Never heard any Priest in CT give a sermon against contraception. Rarely do they even mention abortion. Our Priest let the head of a pro-choice group collect signatures out in front of our church against the death penalty.
 
Father_of_9 said:
As my username states, I’m the father of 9 woinderful children ages 2 to 22. The bottom line for many couples is that they don’t want to make the sacrifices necessary to have a larger family. I’ll be the first to admit that yes, it’s a challenge and requires lot of hard work and faith by both parents. But the rewards are worth it, both in this life and in the next.
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Father of 9, great testimony. AMEN!!!
Sincerly,
FatherOfTwelve:thumbsup:
 
mdzialo said:
Our Priest let the head of a pro-choice group collect signatures out in front of our church against the death penalty.
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What is wrong with that? The signatures were against the death penalty, not in favor of abortion. There are anti-death penalty pro-lifers just as there are anti-death penalty pro-choicers. Given that there are anti-death penalty pro-lifers, it was good to solicit signatures at a Catholic church where such folks might be found.
 
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