Details firming up on DC Papal Mass

[Phemie]

Oh yuck, applauding the soloist singing “Panis Angelicus” while he’s singing. So much for a meditative piece. And what about the GIRM rule that a post-communion hymn is to be sung by the congregation?

 

[daughterofmary]

There is an upside… at least the Pope gets to see some of the uglier parts of the American Church up close and personal. Maybe it’ll provoke him to action!

I wish I could tell what he’s thinking now.

This liturgy is quite a hodgepodge of the reverent, the tolerable, and the absolutely apalling. And the frequent applause is killing me… I suspect it’s killing the Pope too.

I was thinking the same hopeful thoughts… and I was also cringing at the applause. I can’t wait to hear the commentary on ewtn after this Mass is over.

 

[richardwy]

I hope my kids are not watching this at school.

An hour ago, before Mass commenced, I sent an excited email to close Catholic friends in town.

Now I almost want to retract it.

I love the Pope. I love the Magisterium. I love Rome.

Will end on that positive note

 

[Dauphin]

Oh yuck, applauding the soloist singing “Panis Angelicus” while he’s singing. So much for a meditative piece. And what about the GIRM rule that a post-communion hymn is to be sung by the congregation?

I hear the choir in the background…

Oh no… the applause. Pray for the Holy Father’s sanity… it’s like no one listens.

 

[peacefulpainter]

everyone clapping again.
the singer kissing the pope’s ring brought me to tears though just now
keep praying that all are touched by love.
each time i see the pope he brings me to tears.

 

[Tomster]

everyone clapping again.
the singer kissing the pope’s ring brought me to tears though just now
keep praying that all are touched by love.
each time i see the pope he brings me to tears.

I’m praying specifically for his safety (among other intentions). May Our Lord watch over him, bless him, and protect him from all harm.

 

[Dauphin]

On balance… it wasn’t as apalling as it might have been. The main choir was quite decent at parts. And thinking about it… this is probably more reverent than what most Catholics experience every Sunday, as sad as that is.

Maybe the net effect will be positive.

 

[kitkatty]

I dont know whether Im more amazed, embarrassed or just plain ashamed. Yes, that communion hymn was the icing on the cake as far as I was concerned. It made me cringe, I couldnt listen to the rest of it either. As someone else has already suggested the best thing of this travesty will be we might see this awful liturgical music situation we have here addressed. I know the music in many parishes is less than ideal but to give the Holy Father the impression that type (bluesygospel, salsa) of thing is the norm here is just too much. The worst thing about it is they cant be unaware of the the Popes`s position on liturgical music, yet they subjected him to that hodgepodge.

 

[Dauphin]

I dont know whether Im more amazed, embarrassed or just plain ashamed. Yes, that communion hymn was the icing on the cake as far as I was concerned. It made me cringe, I couldnt listen to the rest of it either. As someone else has already suggested the best thing of this travesty will be we might see this awful liturgical music situation we have here addressed. I know the music in many parishes is less than ideal but to give the Holy Father the impression that type (bluesygospel, salsa) of thing is the norm here is just too much. The worst thing about it is they cant be unaware of the the Popes`s position on liturgical music, yet they subjected him to that hodgepodge.

Never underestimate people’s ignorance.

I would venture to say that half the people in that stadium didn’t know that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ, truly and substantively.

 

[brotherhrolf]

The “singer” was none other than the great Spanish tenor, Placido Domingo. I did not miss that he went on bent knee to kiss the HF’s ring.

 

[Anneg]

I looked on my Catholic calendar and didn’t see a martyr’s feast day, so, could somebody tell my why the vestments for today’s mass were red? Thanks, Anneg

 

[Resurrexit]

It was a votive Mass of the Holy Ghost (always Red).

 

[ack]

Absolutely ridiculous. I was in the stadium this morning, and this was the most reverent crowd that anyone could have hoped for. The stadium was dead silent during the consecration – probably the quietest that this baseball stadium will ever get. I don’t know what basis you have to make such a statement.

Remember, the difficulty of obtaining tickets deterred your average “cafeteria Catholic” from attending. The Catholic that were able to attend were largely Catholics who love the Church and volunteer in their parishes.

Never underestimate people’s ignorance.

I would venture to say that half the people in that stadium didn’t know that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ, truly and substantively.

 

[ack]

If the Pope was bothered by the applause, then why was he smiling and waving when people were clapping?

Look at the video more closely (if they filmed the Pope during those parts.) Whenever the crowd broke into widespread applause during Mass, it was BECAUSE the Holy Father was smiling and WAVING AT THEM.

(The one exception was applauding the opera singer – that was inappropriate.)

But thanks for reminding me why I never visit traditionalist forums. I guess everyone would rather pretend to know everything about an event that they didn’t even attend, so I’ll leave you alone and let you resume your discussion in peace…

This liturgy is quite a hodgepodge of the reverent, the tolerable, and the absolutely apalling. And the frequent applause is killing me… I suspect it’s killing the Pope too.

I was thinking the same hopeful thoughts… and I was also cringing at the applause. I can’t wait to hear the commentary on ewtn after this Mass is over.

I hear the choir in the background…

Oh no… the applause. Pray for the Holy Father’s sanity… it’s like no one listens.

 

[Dauphin]

If the Pope was bothered by the applause, then why was he smiling and waving when people were clapping?

Look at the video more closely (if they filmed the Pope during those parts.) Whenever the crowd broke into widespread applause during Mass, it was BECAUSE the Holy Father was smiling and WAVING AT THEM.

(The one exception was applauding the opera singer – that was inappropriate.)

But thanks for reminding me why I never visit traditionalist forums. I guess everyone would rather pretend to know everything about an event that they didn’t even attend, so I’ll leave you alone and let you resume your discussion in peace…

Given the particular significance of the Mass, some applause, although essentially contrary to the spirit of the liturgy, could be permitted. Obviously, the Pope thought it pastoral to give a bit of leeway in this regard during the liturgy of the word.

Not once will you see him encourage applause during the Holy Sacrifice itself. Any applause at this point of the Mass or during the distribution of the Eucharist is stunningly irreverent.

Concerning applause in the liturgy, I give you these words to contemplate:

“Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment. Such attraction fades quickly - it cannot compete in the market of leisure pursuits, incorporating as it increasingly does various forms of religious titillation.”
- Pope Benedict XVI

 

[Dauphin]

Absolutely ridiculous. I was in the stadium this morning, and this was the most reverent crowd that anyone could have hoped for. The stadium was dead silent during the consecration – probably the quietest that this baseball stadium will ever get. I don’t know what basis you have to make such a statement.

Remember, the difficulty of obtaining tickets deterred your average “cafeteria Catholic” from attending. The Catholic that were able to attend were largely Catholics who love the Church and volunteer in their parishes.

I pray you’re right. The reverence during the consecration gives me hope.

I simply assumed that the congregation was of a similar composition as that which attended Pope John Paul II’s final Mass in Toronto, Canada in 2002 (I was there). Remember that the **vast **majority of Catholics do not accept the real presence. It is an enormous scandal.