And what about the man, like me, who is so disposed as to be unable to believe? What evil deeds has he committed?
I couldn’t possibly say. I don’t know you nor what personal sins you have committed or why. That’s for God to judge, not me or even the Church. The Church has never named anyone as being in hell only in heaven. Apparently, you didn’t know that.
I’m talking about Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leveticus. Part of your bible still, I believe, as well as the Protestant and Jewish bibles.
We don’t live in OT times nor does the Church live by the Levitical laws. The time of Israel having to fend off the heathen no longer exists. God isn’t going to ask us what we’d have done 5000 years ago, only what we did with the time we were given.
The Catholic Church has explicitly condemned the use of condoms in missions to Africa and even made the fraudulent claim that they increase the spread of HIV.
Of course it has–it’s condemned the use of condoms for all Catholics everywhere. And condom use can increase the spread of HIV if it engenders a casual attitude that encourages infidelity, which it has. There are reliable statistics that bear this out. If you’re interested you should look them up.
I was actually referring to the last millennium as a whole, and the world is a lot bigger than Europe you realise?
Um, no. We were talking about the Dark Ages. You made the claim about millions of women being condemned as witches. Unless you have reliable documentation to back up your claims? I highly doubt you do.
Really? Maybe it’s only in Scotland it’s done. Catholics here set up direct debits so that a percentage of their earnings go to the Chruch.
So? Lots of people do that. We do that here, too, but the Church doesn’t “demand” we do. It’s just easier for some people to donate through direct debit. Why shouldn’t they?
Firstly, I am not anti Catholic. If you can’t stand by the deeds committed by your Church, the good deeds and the questionable ones, then you are only fooling yourself when you claim to be a Catholic.
My Church has never committed any questionable deeds. Certainly various members of the Church have. Like many other misinformed people you seem to think our leaders claim impeccability for themselves. They don’t and never have. From Peter on down to today no Catholic leader has ever been perfect and some have been downright stinkers. What the Church claims is infallibility in matters of faith and morals. That’s it, and nothing more.
By your standards none of the gospels is the word of Christ since they were all collated well after his death based on interpretations of what he and his disciples are alleged to have said. There is not one single primary historical source on what the man Jesus Christ said. The Bible roughly as it is today was edited and botched together with a number of paganistic concepts by a committee at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.
Collated isn’t the same thing as written. The Gospels, except for John, were all written within 70 years of Jesus’ ascension. Of course the books of the Bible were copied and translated, but that doesn’t automatically denote unreliability. Many ancient writers have been copied and translated and yet no one doubts they are reliable. The Bible was hardly “botched together” nor were “paganistic concepts” added to it. The Bible was translated into Latin by St. Jerome and two female assistants. As I wrote in my last post, you really need to learn real history not the skewed version you have read somewhere. I recommend the
online Catholic encyclopedia which is very honest about the history of the Church and the societies in which it has functioned (it’s not the very latest version, but it’s still reliable regarding everything up to the early 20th century, which is good enough for our purposes).
And now, if you don’t mind, let’s get back to the topic of the thread. I won’t respond to any more posts that aren’t directly about the thread topic for two reasons: firstly, because it’s why I started the thread, and secondly because I won’t go around and around with someone who obviously knows so little about the Church he is criticizing–it’s an exercise in futility if you aren’t interested in learning the truth. Just being honest with you, not nasty.
Condoms are not safe. Condoms have holes.
