Detroit's Tridentine Mass

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The Reverend Fr. Eduard Perrone of Assumption Grotto Church will celebrate the Tridentine Mass this Sunday May 1, 2005
9:30 AM​

Also we are trying to put together a May crowning and need support. This is tentative. However a crowning and a short procession with the statue of Our Lady inside the church is the idea we have. Preferably Immaculate Mary should be sung. However if you have suggestions put them right in here.

Also we want a Corpus Christi Procession, however we need guards for the four altars so says Fr. Borkowski.
 
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I have been planning with Mr. Begin and a number of other individuals a May Crowning preferably for Mother’s Day which is this Sunday. I have sent a note to Alex during my absence during 1/1/2005 and am expecting a reply. I want to mention that I will provide the statue (Our Lady of Fatima) to be crowned, the crown, as well as the carrier or litter that will carry the statue for procession.
Also for the organist I have the sheet music for “Bring Flowers of the Fairest” for the coronation hymn. Also the hymn “Immaculate Mary” may be sung during the procession unless if the organist has his personal preference.
So if any intereseted party would like to add their support to this and if Mr. Begin is inclined to post a reply about this matter please do so and any other person who has suggestions may add their suggestion here.
Also we are planning a Corpus Christi procession. We plan it to be outdoors but the catch is that Fr. Borkowski wants 4 men to guard the outdoor altars during mass and thus you can’t go to mass and will have to go at noon. So if any ideas or support to this devotion may also be posted.

Thanks and God Bless
 
CathMass:

Thank you for the offer, but there is no need to bring a statue or anything else. Fr. Borkowski has all of the materials assembled. The statue will not be carried in procession, only the crown.

The music has already been selected, and the programs printed. We will be chanting the Litany of Loreto in Latin, and singing Salve Regina.

There will be a First Holy Communion this Sunday as well as the May Crowning. This is in addition to another First Holy Communion ceremony that will be held on Corpus Christi. Logistics prevented accomodating everyone on the same day…what a pleasant problem!

Chris in Mich:

The celebrant schedule is:

05/08 - 05/29, 06/12: Fr. Wolfgang Seitz
06/06: Possible visiting priest from New York
06/19, 06/26: Fr. Titus Kieninger

Plans are in the works for a Gregorian Chant Workshop to be held at St. Josaphat on a weekend in June. Mr. Sarweh will have details to report soon.
 
**Thank You AlexB. **
**It is wonderful that we will be having first communions and a crowning. **
Thanks also for the celebrant notice for all to see.
**By the way any of the faithful who want to write about Fr. Perrone’s Mass are welcome to and pictures may be posted if you have any. **
Also we all should thank Fr. Borkowski for his time and effort in this Holy Mass.

AlexB:
Ummn… is it possible to still use a statue and then put in it the sacristy before the crowning? Two altar boys or ushers can carry it. I do respect the wishes of the pastor and offer only a suggestion to better enhance the procession.
Its just that I haven’t exactly been to a Marian procession in which a statue/icon was not carried. I have been to only two but they more of rosary walks rather than processions as they called it.
I am just offering a simple suggestion which may be brought into consideration.
Again whatever Fr. Borkowski wants is good enough because he is the pastor and the authority. Also whatever you want is good enough.
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AlexB:
There will be a First Holy Communion this Sunday as well as the May Crowning. This is in addition to another First Holy Communion ceremony that will be held on Corpus Christi. Logistics prevented accomodating everyone on the same day…what a pleasant problem!
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I don’t know about anyone else but this statement brought tears to my eyes!
God Bless all of you. I really expected that when the TLM was put into the Downtown parish, it would be a novelty and die quickly. Looks like NOT!
 
CathMass said:
**By the way any of the faithful who want to write about Fr. Perrone’s Mass are welcome to and pictures may be posted if you have any. **
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I appreciated what Fr. Perrone has done to preserve the Latin language, and I thought it was great that he was finally able to celebrate publicly a TLM in the archdiocese.
 
Hey fellow Metro-Detroiters - thanks for keeping this thread alive 😉

Ok - ignorance alert!!! - Is there a difference between what you are all calling a “Tridentine” and a mass said in Latin, or are they one and the same?

I was born in 62 so I didn’t experience my first latin mass until I decided to go to St. Jospephat (won’t tell you that I was there to go gambling at Greektown Casino and insisted on Sunday Latin Mass when I saw there was one).

How is it that I, who never heard Latin spoken, other than maybe “Habemus Papam”, could find the language and the mass so beautiful.

I only recently discovered that Assumption Grotto has it. I would like to go there some time to experience their mass. I understand the sacred music there is beautiful and that Fr. Perrone actively directs them at times.

assumptiongrotto.com/

I’m so grateful that someone is preserving the rich culture and tradition for those of us who never experienced it before.

I kind of felt all along that some of the ways people were implementing Vatican 2 was completely uncharitable to some Catholics. In particular, I felt it was uncharitable to not put kneelers in a Church or remove them, making it more difficult for people to kneel, in particular the elderly who had already had so many changes rammed down their throats.

I think there is room for both types of masses, provided everyone works within liturgical bounds set forth by Vatican 2, which understand to be still in the works (fine tuning to remove abuses in Novus Ordo).

Speaking of Bishops in our area, what can you all tell me about Bishop Boyea? I just read an article by him that I really liked. I especially like his statement about how we all sometimes struggle with a particular doctrine, but we weren’t handed the keys to the kingdom, as has Peter and his successors. I’d like to know more about Bishop Boyea.

leaderu.com/ftissues/ft0102/articles/boyea.html

I’ll start a new thread on the topic if you don’t want the thread to change its flavor. Let me know.
 
What is referred to as the Tridentine is the Missal Romanum according to the 1962 rubrics. It is not the same as a Latin mass accoring to the current Missal Romanum (I don’t remember the year). The 1962 mass has an epistle reading and a gospel reading as opposed to the 3 reading formula heard today. The 1962 mass has the priest facing the tabernacle as opposed to the congregation. While that is certainly an option in the current mass, its not the norm. The 1962 mass requires latin while the current recommends it. There are a whole slew of differences. There are a whole slew of differences between the two that are too many to list. Assumption Grotto has the current mass in Latin. Does the priest face the tabernacle or the congregation? I’ve never been there. Somewhere there are word for word differences between the two masses.

Despite what many might say, the 1962 mass is fairly accessible (I mean understandable, not easy to find). If one has a translation, one can easily follow along and get the drift and fully and actively participate. The only danger is liking the mass for the wrong reasons (ie: going to see a spectacle and novelty as opposed to witnessing the sacrifice of the mass). Thats the one danger especially among people of my generation who never had this mass to begin with. That can be overcome though.

I’ve heard wonderful things about Assumption Grotto. I wish I could keep going to St. Josaphat, but I’ll most likely be moving to New York shortly. I really do hope St. Josaphat flourishes. It would be tragic for it (and Sweetest Heart and St. Joseph) to die out. Churches in large cities just seem to get the axe so much when they really can be beautiful places of active worship. I went off on a tangent there. Sorry 😃
 
Detroit is fortunate to have not only St. Josaphat and Assumption Grotto, but also three other Novus Ordo Latin Masses:
  1. St. Joseph, St. Josaphat’s cluster/sister parish, 10:30 AM Sundays. Like Assumption Grotto, this Mass is celebrated ad orientem (facing the tabernacle). Unlike Grotto and like St. Josaphat, they roll out the freestanding altar before Mass. This Mass occasionally has orchestral accompaniment. In fact, this Sunday, May 15, they are having an orchestra Mass.
  2. Holy Family, on the I-75 service drive next to the Blue Cross tower, 9:30 AM Sundays. Also celebrated ad orientem. That church doesn’t even have a freestanding altar. All of their Masses have always been in Latin, even the daily 9:00 AM Mass. I wonder if any other parish in North America can make that claim.
  3. Old St. Mary’s, Greektown, 10:00 AM Sundays. Celebrated facing the people. Decent music program.
All three of these Masses distribute Holy Communion at the altar rail.

St. Josaphat continues to improve: We just received word that professional soprano Melinda Enns from Montreal will be returning on May 29 and possibly June 5. This is a lady who tours the continent singing opera and the like, and just loves singing the traditional Latin repertoire. She recently sang at New York’s Carnegie Hall! If you haven’t heard her yet, try to come on the 29th. She has the voice of an angel, made all the more memorable by St. Josaphat’s magnificent acoustics. She will provide a fitting accompaniment to the First Holy Communion and Corpus Christi procession happening that day.

Bishop Boyea has celebrated the Tridentine Mass at St. Josaphat three times already. Great attitude, eager to learn. While I don’t know much about him, good things in general are said about him in regards to his faithfulness to authentic Church teachings.
 
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AlexB:
Detroit is fortunate to have not only St. Josaphat and Assumption Grotto, but also three other Novus Ordo Latin Masses:
  1. St. Joseph, St. Josaphat’s cluster/sister parish, 10:30 AM Sundays. Like Assumption Grotto, this Mass is celebrated ad orientem (facing the tabernacle). Unlike Grotto and like St. Josaphat, they roll out the freestanding altar before Mass. This Mass occasionally has orchestral accompaniment. In fact, this Sunday, May 15, they are having an orchestra Mass.
  2. Holy Family, on the I-75 service drive next to the Blue Cross tower, 9:30 AM Sundays. Also celebrated ad orientem. That church doesn’t even have a freestanding altar. All of their Masses have always been in Latin, even the daily 9:00 AM Mass. I wonder if any other parish in North America can make that claim.
  3. Old St. Mary’s, Greektown, 10:00 AM Sundays. Celebrated facing the people. Decent music program.
All three of these Masses distribute Holy Communion at the altar rail.

St. Josaphat continues to improve: We just received word that professional soprano Melinda Enns from Montreal will be returning on May 29 and possibly June 5. This is a lady who tours the continent singing opera and the like, and just loves singing the traditional Latin repertoire. She recently sang at New York’s Carnegie Hall! If you haven’t heard her yet, try to come on the 29th. She has the voice of an angel, made all the more memorable by St. Josaphat’s magnificent acoustics. She will provide a fitting accompaniment to the First Holy Communion and Corpus Christi procession happening that day.

Bishop Boyea has celebrated the Tridentine Mass at St. Josaphat three times already. Great attitude, eager to learn. While I don’t know much about him, good things in general are said about him in regards to his faithfulness to authentic Church teachings.
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SS Cyril and Methodius also has a Latin NO on Wednesdays at 9:00am.
 
I got confused, it was Old St. Mary’s that I attended, not St. Josephat. Sorry. But it was still very nice.

I got to get to the Grotto 😃 - It’s closer.
 
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pm1853:
Assumption Grotto has the current mass in Latin. Does the priest face the tabernacle or the congregation?
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Each time I’ve been to mass at Assumption Grotto, the priest has faced the altar whether the mass is said in English or Latin.

At each of the churches mentioned they do a very nice job with the NO mass in Latin, however IMHO the beauty of the TLM is not matched.
 
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AlexB:
We just received word that professional soprano Melinda Enns from Montreal will be returning on May 29 and possibly June 5.
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Any word on if she will be back this week, or if Fr. Sarweh will be back in the choir loft anytime soon? They both add so much to the mass I wish they could be with us every week.
 
Melinda will be back this Sunday, June 5. Even though she lives near Montreal, she will be back with us regularly. She loves singing the traditional Catholic repertoire and is happy to travel down here just for the opportunity. You’ve got to admire her commitment. She sings Mozart’s Laudate Dominum like no one else, and the acoustics of the church complement her voice well.

Fr. Basel Sarweh, however, has gone home. He, too, will be back when in town, but not quite as regularly as Melinda.

A new young man has stepped forward to join the choir. He has had experience as a soloist at other churches. And another young lady joined a few weeks ago with formal singing training but little experience with our kind of music.

While it’s great that we have some super soloists, we still need to build a larger, regular choir.

In other news, the marble top for the communion rail was installed last week, and the communion cloth should arrive within the next week or two.

This weekend, we are having a visiting priest, Fr. James Miara, a friend of Fr. Borkowski’s from New York who celebrates the TLM in various New York City area parishes.
 
Fr. Miara’s Lesson for the Feast of the Sacred heart was simply one of the few best I have ever heard. He reminds me of Fr. Corapi in his unabashed proclamation of Catholic teaching. I wonder-was he a seminarian in the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter?
 
I have attended since the inception. All is quite well! I was fortunate enough to have attended daily mass in what is now referred to as the Tridentine Rite each day of my 8 years of Catholic grade school growing up in Northwest Detroit at St. Eugene’s Parish, which closed in 1989. It was just “praying Holy Mass” then! No need for special terminology.(I show my years…)I tried out to be an altar server in 4th grade, but stumbled over one syllable of the Credo, and so Sr. Isabelle flunked me (we had to memorize all responses, prayers–no cards!) So this Mass is simply sublime. I wonder what reforms will be made under Pope Benedict with the “Novus Ordo?” Hopefully before I die the reforms of the Council will be well on the road to implementation. It is a Mass that lasts 1 1/2 hours, but seems shorter than the shortest Novus Ordo Mass!
 
One thing I can say about St. Josaphat, I have yet to here a poor homily. Todays homily was one of the most convincing arguments for the Church that I have ever heard.

Ms. Enns singing was beautiful today and the altar rail looks great. I was glad to read in the bulletin that the parish is doing a bit better now than it has been. Its comforting and shows that there is room for growth and even more improvement of the parish.
 
Hi, all.

Now that it’s summer and I don’t have to worry about shirking my choir duties at my current parish (we break for the summer months), I find myself curious about attending a TLM at St. Josaphat.

Two things are holding me back (although once I get these answered I’ll probably make the trip downtown):
  1. Are missalettes provided for the TLM? I have never attended one before so much of the Latin will be foreign to me (except things like the Gloria, etc., as I have sung many of the Latin Mass prayers before). I have my grandfather’s old missalette, but I believe it was published in the 1920s. I don’t know how many changes were made past that point.
  2. Do I need to cover my hair? I generally dress conservatively (knee-length or below skirts, sweaters or blouses with decently high necks and shoulders covered, etc.) but I don’t want to be disrespectful if the norm is a head covering.
Thanks all! You may see me there soon. I’ll be the one who looks both bewildered and mesmerized.
 
Missals are provided and are for sale for $5.00 or may just be borrowed. Also most women cover their heads with either hats or veils. There are some women that don’t cover their heads but it is more respectful in this Mass setting to cover your head. Personally I believe all women should cover their heads.
Dress must be modest
No jeans tight pants or spagetti straps, t-shirts etc…
Knees must be covered :nope:
So your skirt and blouse is acceptable. 🙂
Also we have a social at the end of Mass in the Hall and most weeks we have the Holy Rosary before the Mass and of course confession is available.
So come to St. Josaphat and feel welcome and recieve the many, many graces at this Mass
 
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