Deutrocanonical Books-Apologetics

[Nancie_Lew]

Nancie Lew;

They refer to the Septuagint and the Deutrocanonical.

In the Hebrew Translation in the Isaiah 7:14 it said,

Behold a young woman shall conceived and bear a son, and he shall be called Immanuel.

In the Septuagint.

It said, Behold a virgin shall conceived and bear a son, and he shall be called Immanuel.

In Matthew 1:23, Matthew is referring to the Greek.

“Behold, a virgin shall conceived and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.”

I can give you other text that the NT refers to the Septuagint.

The Septuagint Bible is a fraud. No Greek interpretation of the Old Testament was produced until after 300 years AD. The Palestine Jews did not include the Deutrocanicals in their Old Testament. That is why Jerome rejected them went he went to Palestine to write the Vulgate. He could not accept the Deutrocanicals as legit. There were some Jews that accepted the Deutrocanicals but they were the ones displaced during the diaspora.

 

[Mannyfit75]

The Septuagint Bible is a fraud. No Greek interpretation of the Old Testament was produced until after 300 years AD. The Palestine Jews did not include the Deutrocanicals in their Old Testament. That is why Jerome rejected them went he went to Palestine to write the Vulgate. He could not accept the Deutrocanicals as legit. There were some Jews that accepted the Deutrocanicals but they were the ones displaced during the diaspora.

No. The Septuagint was written by Jewish scholars in 265 B.C. Get your facts straight.

St. Jerome did not rejected them and he recanted his remarks. The Church itself.

lrc.edu/rel/blosser/canon_list.htm

Note from the website:

Each of these lists, in the original, also includes the 27 canonical books of the New Testament (here omitted
for reasons of space). Together with St. Athanasius’ Easter Letter of AD 367 and the list of the Council
of Hippo in AD 393 (both omitted here), these represent the first published lists of both the OT and NT
canon in official decrees of the Church. The first published lists of the Biblical canon contained, thus, not
only all the books of the N.T., but all the books of the O.T., including, as can be seen below, the Deutero-
canonical books called by Protestants the "Apocrypha

These are the list of canon cited. If you say they are fraud I truly believe you are not inform in any historical view on how the Bible was made.

Second, the Jews did not have closed the canon of Scripture and have used the Septuagint until the Council of Jamnia in 90 A.D. At the time, the Jewish temple was already destroyed and in order to preserve their traditions and faith, they only accepted the Hebrew or Mesoretic Text of the Bible.

They mainly rejected the Septuagint because the Christians used them. Since a majority of the Christians at the time spoke Greek, and so the widely used scrolls in the churches in those days were Greek Translation.

If you check your Christian history, Gentile Christians soon out-numbered the Jewish Christians. So the need for Greek Manuscript that was used was the Septuagint.

Nancie
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GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!**

 

[Mannyfit75]

For Nancie;

The Septuagint (IPA: 'sɛptuədʒɪnt]), or simply “LXX”, is the name commonly given in the West to the ancient, Koine Greek version of the Old Testament translated in stages between the 3rd to 1st century BC in Alexandria. It is the oldest of several ancient translations of the Hebrew Bible into Greek. The name means “seventy” in Latin and derives from a tradition that seventy-two Jewish scholars (LXX being the nearest round number) translated the Pentateuch (or Torah) from Hebrew into Greek for one of the Ptolemaic kings, Ptolemy II Philadelphus, 285-246 BC. As the work of translation went on gradually, and new books were added to the collection, the compass of the Greek Bible came to be somewhat indefinite. The Pentateuch always maintained its pre-eminence as the basis of the canon; but the prophetic collection changed its aspect by having various hagiographa incorporated into it. Some of the newer works, those called anagignoskomena in Greek, are not included in the Hebrew canon. Among these books are Maccabees and the Wisdom of Ben Sira. Also, the LXX version of some works, like Daniel and Esther, are longer than the Hebrew.[1] Several of the later books apparently were composed in Greek.

The LXX was held with great respect in ancient times; Philo and Josephus ascribed divine inspiration to its authors. It formed the basis of the Old Latin versions and is still used intact within Eastern Orthodoxy. Besides the Old Latin versions, the LXX is also the basis for Gothic, Slavonic, old Syriac (but not the Peshitta), old Armenian, and Coptic versions of the Old Testament. Of significance for all Christians and for bible scholars, the LXX is quoted by the Christian New Testament and by the Apostolic Fathers. While Jews have not used the LXX in worship or religious study since the second century AD, recent scholarship has brought renewed interest in it in Judaic Studies. Some of the Dead Sea scrolls attest to Hebrew texts other than those on which the Masoretic Text was based; in many cases, these newly found texts accord with the LXX version. The oldest surviving codices of LXX date to the fourth century AD.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

The Jewish Festival of Lights Hanankuh is practiced among the Jews. This account of this event was recorded in the Book of Maccabees 1 or 2.

Go ask a Jew today where can they find information about the Festival of Lights.

It’s not found in the Hebrew but in the Septuagint.

The Hanukkah Story
Nearly 2,200 years ago, the Greek-Syrian ruler Antiochus IV tried to force Greek culture upon peoples in his territory. Jews in Judea—now Israel—were forbidden their most important religious practices as well as study of the Torah. Although vastly outnumbered, religious Jews in the region took up arms to protect their community and their religion. Led by Mattathias the Hasmonean, and later his son Judah the Maccabee, the rebel armies became known as the Maccabees.

After three years of fighting, in the year 3597, or about 165 B.C.E., the Maccabees victoriously reclaimed the temple on Jerusalem’s Mount Moriah. Next they prepared the temple for rededication—in Hebrew, Hanukkah means “dedication.” In the temple they found only enough purified oil to kindle the temple light for a single day. But miraculously, the light continued to burn for eight days.

Source: factmonster.com/spot/hanukkah.html

 

[Janet_S]

If you don’t believe that the Deutrocanical books are more important than the New Testament than why do Catholics believe in things like purgatory and praying to the dead?

All of the books in the Old and New testaments are inspired by the Holy Spirit minus the Deutrocanical books.

The NT is important for Catholics since the central tenet of Catholicism is belief in the Trinity, a Truth revealed to the world through the Incarnation of Jesus Christ. While there is foreshadowing of Jesus in the deuterocanonicals, Catholics clearly don’t rely on them alone to support belief in the Trinity.

The doctrine of Purgatory can be defended using the NT alone without any support of deuterocanonical texts. Purgatory is off topic for this thread, but If you want to start a new thread, go ahead. I can explain this to you if you are really interested.

If you believe only 66 books of the OT and NT (minus the deuterocanonical books) are inspired by the Holy Spirit, then you are in agreement with Kaycee and you get this information from the opinion of Protestant tradition. Protestants consider this only an opinion, though, since they deny that Christ established a Church which has the ability to infallibly teach on matters of faith and morals. The best Protestants can say is they “think” they have the right books.

Catholics have the assurance that there are 73 inspired books in the Bible, since God revealed this to the world through an infallible proclamation of His Holy Catholic Church.

 

[Janet_S]

Protestants deny that the Church (particularly the Catholic Church) has divine, infallible authority to teach faith and morals.

Catholics believe Christ established a Church with divine authority. We see evidence of this Church in Acts 15–“it is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us. . .” Christ established His Church with divine authority of the Holy Spirit, and the same Church exists today.

These two different worldviews shed light on how Catholics and Protestants view the canon of Scripture.

Regarding the canon of Scripture, Catholics are assured that God revealed which books belong in the Bible (those that are inspired) through the infallible authority of the Church guided by the Holy Spirit (like in Acts 15). If you trust Christ established a Church like in Acts 15, you trust the canon of Scripture (73 books) revealed to the Church at the Councils of Rome, Hippo, Carthage, Florence, and Trent.

Regarding the canon of Scripture, Protestant cannot be sure they know infallibly which books belong in the Bible (are inspired). How could they know with certainty? How could God reveal His inspired writings to the world if there were no divinely authoritative Church? Protestant R. C. Sproul admits that the classic Protestant position is that we only have a “fallible collection of infallible books”. ( R. C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House, 1992). A fallible collection is not very assuring for the Protestant who relies on the Bible alone for his/her rule of faith. Maybe some of the books in the Bible are not inspired. Maybe some inspired books are missing. Ultimately the Protestant worldview about the canon of Scripture rests on a shaky foundation.

 

[RNRobert]

Regarding the canon of Scripture, Protestant cannot be sure they know infallibly which books belong in the Bible (are inspired). How could they know with certainty? How could God reveal His inspired writings to the world if there were no divinely authoritative Church? Protestant R. C. Sproul admits that the classic Protestant position is that we only have a “fallible collection of infallible books”. ( R. C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House, 1992). A fallible collection is not very assuring for the Protestant who relies on the Bible alone for his/her rule of faith. Maybe some of the books in the Bible are not inspired. Maybe some inspired books are missing. Ultimately the Protestant worldview about the canon of Scripture rests on a shaky foundation.

Indeed, the whole “fallible canon of infallible books” position reminds me of a man sitting on a tree branch while he is sawing it off…

 

[Zooey]

The Septuagint Bible is a fraud. No Greek interpretation of the Old Testament was produced until after 300 years AD. The Palestine Jews did not include the Deutrocanicals in their Old Testament. That is why Jerome rejected them went he went to Palestine to write the Vulgate. He could not accept the Deutrocanicals as legit. There were some Jews that accepted the Deutrocanicals but they were the ones displaced during the diaspora.

Oh, for the love of mike!! Do you actually believe this nonsense?? The Septuagint has been known forever. It has only been within the last couple of years that anyone has questioned it…and they had been reading Gayle Riplinger’s codswallop-- I mean GR’s tailored-for-JackChick book, which she wrote without ever even researching the question. (If you don’t like something, toss it!..Where have I heard that before???)
Well, we now have our answer; Nancie has been reading Jack Chick & company.
Riplinger, Chick, & company in a few words: lies, lies, more lies. Total fabrications made to order, to “deceive, if it were possible, the very elect”… I cannot believe that this:shrug: nonsensical garbage still has followers…
Get a grip & read what ** real** scholars have known for generations.

 

[Wisdom]

Oh, for the love of mike!! Do you actually believe this nonsense?? The Septuagint has been known forever. It has only been within the last couple of years that anyone has questioned it…and they had been reading Gayle Riplinger’s codswallop-- I mean GR’s tailored-for-JackChick book, which she wrote without ever even researching the question. (If you don’t like something, toss it!..Where have I heard that before???)
Well, we now have our answer; Nancie has been reading Jack Chick & company.
Riplinger, Chick, & company in a few words: lies, lies, more lies. Total fabrications made to order, to “deceive, if it were possible, the very elect”… I cannot believe that this:shrug: nonsensical garbage still has followers…
Get a grip & read what ** real** scholars have known for generations.

This is so much bunk that it’s funny the Septugient copies we have today are for the most part older and more consistent in its rendering than the Masoretic text which are much more varied and suprisingly more recent. Catholic Christians did a better job of preserving their old testament than the Jews did for some reason and the result is more copies of older and better quality of the Septugient than the Masoretic text. Don’t get me wrong both are the Word of God but this is consistent with the practice of the new testament writers to more often quote the Septugeint than the Hebrew as for the most part it was translation of choice for the early christians. As we learn much about the anceint Jews when the text is rendered in the Hebrew we learn much about the Jews of the intertestiment time and the Jews of Christ and the apostles time by the rendering found in the Septugeint to discard either one is to make all the more less equiped as modern christians and this is what modern protestant would have us do be more ignorant and to simply throw away a significant poriton of Christian and Jewish History. There is a punishment for this that includes your name being blotted out in the book of life. This should be a warning to any protestant who flipantly throws out books the early christians certianly used.

 

[Chancellare]

This is so much bunk that it’s funny the Septugient copies we have today are for the most part older and more consistent in its rendering than the Masoretic text which are much more varied and suprisingly more recent. Catholic Christians did a better job of preserving their old testament than the Jews did for some reason and the result is more copies of older and better quality of the Septugient than the Masoretic text. Don’t get me wrong both are the Word of God but this is consistent with the practice of the new testament writers to more often quote the Septugeint than the Hebrew as for the most part it was translation of choice for the early christians. As we learn much about the anceint Jews when the text is rendered in the Hebrew we learn much about the Jews of the intertestiment time and the Jews of Christ and the apostles time by the rendering found in the Septugeint to discard either one is to make all the more less equiped as modern christians and this is what modern protestant would have us do be more ignorant and to simply throw away a significant poriton of Christian and Jewish History. There is a punishment for this that includes your name being blotted out in the book of life. This should be a warning to any protestant who flipantly throws out books the early christians certianly used.

Not to off track the thread but I also find a parallel with the way Islamic apologists are attacking Catholic use of the Greek translations of Septuagint and other Hellenic influences like Logic, democratic ideals and the use of Reason in teaching Theology. To them, any non-Semite influence is anathema. I’m just wondering why the parallel disdain for Greek influences among Protestants and Islamists (?).

 

[Wisdom]

Not to off track the thread but I also find a parallel with the way Islamic apologists are attacking Catholic use of the Greek translations of Septuagint and other Hellenic influences like Logic, democratic ideals and the use of Reason in teaching Theology. To them, any non-Semite influence is anathema. I’m just wondering why the parallel disdain for Greek influences among Protestants and Islamists (?).

Well evangelicals have disdain for philosophy as they quote Paul out of context that human philospohy is fruitless. And the context is of course humanistic philosophy that rejects Christ. Of course the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation borrow heavily from Helenstic philosophy heck the Trinity is realted to Greek Philisophy but they are clueless to this. I don’t know much about Islamic thought but hey I saw the movie 300 and from that I get an idea they don’t exactly want to be reminded that the Greeks crushed their Persain empires and presented an inroads from the Arab Muslims from coming to Europe and protions of the middle east for awhile anyway.

 

[TheApologist]

Nancy Lew…
I’m assuming you believe in the 400 silent years? When “no prophets were” or something such as this? Here is just one point that makes no sense. Why would you exclude the book of Baruch as well as the others? The book of Baruch was written before the “400 silent years” so why would it not be inspired?

 

[Nancie_Lew]

Oracle!

The Oxford Dictionary defines ‘oracle’ as “a place, a person, a prophet or thing which is regarded as an infallible guide, or source of divine inspiration and revelation.”

The Old Testament uses the word Oracle in sixteen places.

The New Testament uses this word in four places.

Can’t find the word used anywhere in the Deutrocanicals.

 

[TheApologist]

And that’s why they are uninspired?

EDIT:
Please explain every single reason why they were uninspired.

Also explain to me why these books were often referred to in the NT and why, as I asked in my last post, Baruch was uninspired(when it was written BEFORE the 400 Silent Years).

 

[Nancie_Lew]

Nancie Lew;

They refer to the Septuagint and the Deutrocanonical.

In the Hebrew Translation in the Isaiah 7:14 it said,

Behold a young woman shall conceived and bear a son, and he shall be called Immanuel.

In the Septuagint.

It said, Behold a virgin shall conceived and bear a son, and he shall be called Immanuel.

In Matthew 1:23, Matthew is referring to the Greek.

“Behold, a virgin shall conceived and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.”

I can give you other text that the NT refers to the Septuagint.

Those quotes are from the Pentateuch now give me some quotes from the Apocrypha books. In fact how about one quote from the Apostles or Jesus? Besides, the citation of any passage does not of itself prove a book to be canoinical, for then Aratus, Menander and Epimenides (quoted by Paul in Acts 17:28; 1 Cor. 15:33; Tit. 1:12) would be canonical.

 

[TheApologist]

I admit that I am not an expert in this area. Could you answer me this: do you believe that the reason the duterocanonicals are uninspired because they were written during the “400 Silent Years?”

 

[kell0618]

“‘Be just in your judgment’ [Deut 1:16,17 Prov 31:9] make no distinction between man and man when correcting transgressions. Do not waver in your decision. ‘Do not be one that opens his hands to receive, but shuts them when it comes to giving’ [Sirach 4:31].” *Didache, 4:3-5 (A.D. 90)

• The Protestants attempt to defend their rejection of the deuterocanonicals on the ground that the early Jews rejected them. However, the Jewish councils that rejected them (e.g., School of Javneh (also called “Jamnia” in 90 - 100 A.D.) were the same councils that rejected the entire New Testatment canon. Thus, Protestants who reject the Catholic Bible are following a Jewish council that rejected Christ and the Revelation of the New Testament. --[scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html](http://www.scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html)

 

[Nancie_Lew]

I admit that I am not an expert in this area. Could you answer me this: do you believe that the reason the duterocanonicals are uninspired because they were written during the “400 Silent Years?”

That is one reason I do not believe that the Deutrocanicals are inspired. There is no need for them.

Malachi was the last prophet in the Old Testament.

The Old Testament predicts the coming of the Messiah.

The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament. In the Old and New Testaments God has already said all that needs to be said. In Paul’s letter to the Galatians it says, “When the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law.” (Gal. 4:4) In other words, the time of our Lord’s birth was God’s appointed hour, the moment for which God had been long preparing.

After Malachi had ceased his prophesying and the canon of the Old Testament closed God allowed a period of time for the teachings of the Old Testament to penetrate throughout the world. During this time, he rearranged the scenes of history. In the pagan empires the people were sick of the emptiness of their pagan faiths and they were open to the Jewish religion. Pagans who embraced the Old Testament teachings were searching for something to end the emptiness of their lives. That was the hope of the coming Messiah.

It has been 2,000 years now and there has been no inspired voice of God just like during the 400 silent years but like the 400 silent years God is rearranging history for Jesus to return.

templemount.org/0240.html

 

[Mannyfit75]

That is one reason I do not believe that the Deutrocanicals are inspired. There is no need for them.

Malachi was the last prophet in the Old Testament.

The Old Testament predicts the coming of the Messiah.

The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament. In the Old and New Testaments God has already said all that needs to be said. In Paul’s letter to the Galatians it says, “When the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law.” (Gal. 4:4) In other words, the time of our Lord’s birth was God’s appointed hour, the moment for which God had been long preparing.

After Malachi had ceased his prophesying and the canon of the Old Testament closed God allowed a period of time for the teachings of the Old Testament to penetrate throughout the world. During this time, he rearranged the scenes of history. In the pagan empires the people were sick of the emptiness of their pagan faiths and they were open to the Jewish religion. Pagans who embraced the Old Testament teachings were searching for something to end the emptiness of their lives. That was the hope of the coming Messiah.

It has been 2,000 years now and there has been no inspired voice of God just like during the 400 silent years but like the 400 silent years God is rearranging history for Jesus to return.

templemount.org/0240.html

Then why were these books referred to in the NT 2/3 of the times? I gave you the Isaiah 7:14 regarding the Virgin Birth? These Books are inspired…

Matt. 2:16 - Herod’s decree of slaying innocent children was prophesied in Wis. 11:7 - slaying the holy innocents.

Matt. 6:19-20 - Jesus’ statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 - lay up your treasure.

Matt… 7:12 - Jesus’ golden rule “do unto others” is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.

Matt. 7:16,20 - Jesus’ statement “you will know them by their fruits” follows Sirach 27:6 - the fruit discloses the cultivation.

Matt. 9:36 - the people were “like sheep without a shepherd” is same as Judith 11:19 - sheep without a shepherd.

Matt. 11:25 - Jesus’ description “Lord of heaven and earth” is the same as Tobit 7:18 - Lord of heaven and earth.

Matt. 12:42 - Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.

Matt. 16:18 - Jesus’ reference to the “power of death” and “gates of Hades” references Wisdom 16:13.

Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 - Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.

Matt. 24:15 - the “desolating sacrilege” Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.

Matt. 24:16 - let those “flee to the mountains” is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.

Matt. 27:43 - if He is God’s Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.

Mark 4:5,16-17 - Jesus’ description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.

Mark 9:48 - description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.

Luke 1:42 - Elizabeth’s declaration of Mary’s blessedness above all women follows Uzziah’s declaration in Judith 13:18.

Luke 1:52 - Mary’s magnificat addressing the mighty falling from their thrones and replaced by lowly follows Sirach 10:14.

Luke 2:29 - Simeon’s declaration that he is ready to die after seeing the Child Jesus follows Tobit 11:9.

scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html

 

[Mannyfit75]

Matt. 1:23 / Isaiah 7:14 - behold, a “virgin” shall conceive. Hebrew - behold, a “young woman” shall conceive.

Matt. 3:3; Mark 1:3; John 1:23 / Isaiah 40:3 - make “His paths straight.” Hebrew - make “level in the desert a highway.”

Matt. 9:13; 12:7 / Hosea 6:6 - I desire “mercy” and not sacrifice. Hebrew - I desire “goodness” and not sacrifice.

Matt. 12:21 / Isaiah 42:4 - in His name will the Gentiles hope (or trust). Hebrew - the isles shall wait for his law.

Matt. 13:15 / Isaiah 6:10 - heart grown dull; eyes have closed; to heal. Hebrew - heart is fat; ears are heavy; eyes are shut; be healed.

Matt. 15:9; Mark 7:7 / Isaiah 29:13 - teaching as doctrines the precepts of men. Hebrew - a commandment of men (not doctrines).

Matt. 21:16 / Psalm 8:2 - out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou has “perfect praise.” Hebrew - thou has “established strength.”

Mark 7:6-8 – Jesus quotes Isaiah 29:13 from the Septuagint – “This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.”

Luke 3:5-6 / Isaiah 40:4-5 - crooked be made straight, rough ways smooth, shall see salvation. Hebrew - omits these phrases.

Luke 4:18 / Isaiah 61:1 - and recovering of sight to the blind. Hebrew - the opening of prison to them that are bound.

Luke 4:18 / Isaiah 58:6 - to set at liberty those that are oppressed (or bruised). Hebrew - to let the oppressed go free.

John 6:31 / Psalm 78:24 - He gave them “bread” out of heaven to eat. Hebrew - gave them “food” or “grain” from heaven.

John 12:38 / Isaiah 53:1 - who has believed our “report?” Hebrew - who has believed our “message?”

John 12:40 / Isaiah 6:10 - lest they should see with eyes…turn for me to heal them. Hebrew - shut their eyes…and be healed.

Acts 2:19 / Joel 2:30 - blood and fire and “vapor” of smoke. Hebrew - blood and fire and “pillars” or “columns” of smoke.

Acts 2:25-26 / Psalm 16:8 - I saw…tongue rejoiced…dwell in hope… Hebrew - I have set…glory rejoiced…dwell in safety.

Acts 4:26 / Psalm 2:1 - the rulers “were gathered together.” Hebrew - rulers “take counsel together.”

Acts 7:14 / Gen. 46:27; Deut. 10:22 - Stephen says “seventy-five” souls went down to Egypt. Hebrew - “seventy” people went.

Acts 7:27-28 / Exodus 2:14 - uses “ruler” and judge; killed the Egyptian “yesterday.” Hebrew - uses “prince” and there is no reference to “yesterday.”

Acts 7:43 / Amos 5:26-27 - the tent of “Moloch” and star of god of Rephan. Hebrew - “your king,” shrine, and star of your god.

scripturecatholic.com/septuagint.html

 

[Mannyfit75]

The canon of the OT was not official closed by the Jews until 90 A.D. Prior to that the Jews used both the Hebrew OT and the Greek Translation of the OT.

It was not until the Council of Jamnia in 90 AD when the Jewish religion felt threatened by Christianity because of these Deutrocanonical Books decided to form a Council.

The Christian community or Churches by the late 300 AD canonized Scripture in the Council of Rome 382 AD, Council of Hippo 392 AD, and Council of Carthage in 396 AD which included the 7 Books more Books in the OT and the 27 Books in NT.

The Council of Trent made the similar list invoke in those Councils, which finally closed the Canon of Scripture.