Devil knows Christians are one: Pope Francis

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The devil knows Christians are one, says Pope Francis
“I feel like saying something that may sound controversial, or even heretical, perhaps,” he said in the video. “But there is someone who ‘knows’ that, despite our differences, we are one. It is he who is persecuting us. It is he who is persecuting Christians today, he who is anointing us with (the blood of) martyrdom.”
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The devil, he said, “knows that Christians are disciples of Christ, that they are one, that they are brothers! He doesn’t care if they are Evangelicals or Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic … he doesn’t care! They are Christians.”
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Thoughts? I take it this means our faith is essentially equal to those that abandoned Catholicism in previous centuries?
 
I wouldn’t take it that way at all. The Pope is merely pointing to an obvious fact, those who seek to destroy Christianity don’t care whether individual Christians are part of the True Church or are part of heretical or schismatic sects. In that sense we are “all one.” Reading Francis in context (including in the context of Church teaching) and with charity is recommended.
 
outremer said:
The devil knows Christians are one, says Pope Francis

Thoughts? I take it this means our faith is essentially equal to those that abandoned Catholicism in previous centuries?
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It is a homily to give us hope. To help us to keep going. To remind us who is behind many of these attacks; yet, even when we suffer, good comes from it, because to suffer for our faith is part of our anointing as Christians.

I’m not really sure how you managed to read that with a negative slant because he is also saying in outreach that we are all one as Christians - this is inclusive and merciful, by encouraging not to judge and bicker, but to remember we are one.
 
friardchips said:
It is a homily to give us hope. To help us to keep going. To remind us who is behind many of these attacks; yet, even when we suffer, good comes from it, because to suffer for our faith is part of our anointing as Christians.

I’m not really sure how you managed to read that with a negative slant because he is also saying in outreach that we are all one as Christians - this is inclusive and merciful, by encouraging not to judge and bicker, but to remember we are one.
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Unfortunately, in part thanks to the liberal mainstream media, in part thanks to certain “traditionalist” blogs and newspapers, some Catholics read everything Francis says, not with charity, but with a hermeneutic of suspicion.
 
PietroPaolo said:
Unfortunately, in part thanks to the liberal mainstream media, in part thanks to certain “traditionalist” blogs and newspapers, some Catholics read everything Francis says, not with charity, but with a hermeneutic of suspicion.
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Right, there is nothing “suspicious” about the Holy Father’s admission of heresy. Wake up.
 
R_H_Benson said:
Right, there is nothing “suspicious” about the Holy Father’s admission of heresy. Wake up.
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“admission” is the wrong word.

He did not say he is commiting heresy. He was saying that he was risking sounding as if…

And the reason PF had to excuse himself from being mistaken is precisely because of what PietroPaolo just said, succinctly: "Unfortunately, in part thanks to the liberal mainstream media, in part thanks to certain “traditionalist” blogs and newspapers, some Catholics read everything Francis says, not with charity, but with a hermeneutic of suspicion."
 
friardchips said:
“admission” is the wrong word.

He did not say he is commiting heresy. He was saying that he was risking sounding as if…

And the reason PF had to excuse himself from being mistaken is precisely because of what PietroPaolo just said, succinctly: "Unfortunately, in part thanks to the liberal mainstream media, in part thanks to certain “traditionalist” blogs and newspapers, some Catholics read everything Francis says, not with charity, but with a hermeneutic of suspicion."
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So he knows that it may well be heretical but he says it anyway? Time to stop making excuses and start demanding that our bishops start proclaiming the Catholic Faith again.
 
R_H_Benson said:
So he knows that it may well be heretical but he says it anyway? Time to stop making excuses and start demanding that our bishops start proclaiming the Catholic Fairh again.
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What are you worried about?

He is not being heretical. Hence, why he excused himself from being mistaken. He knows what the media are like. And those who eat the scraps from their table.
 
friardchips said:
What are you worried?

He is not being heretical. Hence, why he excused himself from being mistaken. He knows what the media are like. And those who eat the scraps from their table.
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I’m just tired. I want to believe you and PietroPaolo. But the Holy Father himself saying things like this, the secret meeting of the German and French bishops to hijack the Synod, the failure of the bishops of Ireland all in one week really has me down.
 
R_H_Benson said:
I’m just tired. I want to believe you and PietroPaolo. But the Holy Father himself saying things like this, the secret meeting of the German and French bishops to hijack the Synod, the failure of the bishops of Ireland all in one week really has me down.
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Chin up, R_H_Benson, that’s exactly what the enemies, fleshly and ghostly, want.
 
R_H_Benson said:
I’m just tired. I want to believe you and PietroPaolo. But the Holy Father himself saying things like this, the secret meeting of the German and French bishops to hijack the Synod, the failure of the bishops of Ireland all in one week really has me down.
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Try not to let it. This is what the devil wants. We are all one. The devil cannot win. The devil knows he is lost in the long-run. All his short-term efforts are in vain.

Pope Francis likes to speak to us as he spoke to the poor when he was Bishop (this is my guess). He relies on the Holy Spirit to give him what he needs to say. This is what we were told in the NT, to do. He wants to be really close to us. He doesn’t want the media to get in the way of this openness (again, my guess) to the Holy Spirit. And so it is down to us to be able to discern between what he is really saying to us from what the media and those with agendas would like him to be saying or not saying.
 
My recommendation, try to read whatever PF says in a spirit of continuity with the Church (that is the spirit he intends it, he calls himself a “faithful son of the Church”). This, from a recent interview with PF, may help,
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afterwards, there are the problems they create for you, with what I said or didn’t say… The mass media also grab a word from over there and take it out of context. The other day I was in the parish of Ostia, near Rome. I go along greeting the people, and they had put the elderly and the sick in the gymnasium. They were sitting down and I walked by and greeted them. Then I said, “Look how funny, here where children usually play are the elderly and the sick. I understand you because I’m old too and I also have my aches and pains, I’m a little bit sick.” The next day the newspapers say: “The Pope admitted that he was sick.” There’s nothing you can do against that enemy.
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“I feel like saying something that may sound controversial, or even heretical"
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He was aware that, what he had to say, could be interpreted as controversial or heretical. He was not being heretic.

Have faith. If not on our Pope, or our bishops, then in Jesus Christ. He promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it, so you don’t have to worry.

We could get a Pope who was Hitler (or worse) himself, and still our Church would hold firm to her teachings; not even the Pope has the power to crumble them.

So don’t worry, and have faith. I think Pope Francis is going to hold on to our doctrines, but he really wants people to remember that it is not about just “following the rules”. People outside of the Church have neither faith in our teachings, nor the interest in understanding why they are Truth. The Pope seems to be trying to raise that interest.
 
“Have faith. If not on our Pope, or our bishops, then in Jesus Christ. He promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it, so you don’t have to worry.”

This is the essence of trust in Christ. He said it. Believe it.
 
No Protestantism is a major tool of Satan, to spread dead and heresy in the name of Jesus.
 
I don’t see the heresy anywhere.

I think I remember reading Fr. Fortea’s book on exorcisms and possession, and he said that when a possessed person had Pentecostals repeating “Jesus” again and again in front of him, the demon in the person eventually ended up leaving. So it’s noteworthy that demons can flee at the name of Jesus being repeatedly mentioned, even if not by Catholic exorcist priests.

I think this is related to what the Holy Father said.
 
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
Who belongs to the Catholic Church?

836 “All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God. . . . And to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation.”

837 “Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. **Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but ‘in body’ not ‘in heart.’”

838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.” Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.”**
 
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