I didn’t want to get into this topic but okay… Help me understand then… Everyone always mentions John 1:1, all Trinitarians Catholic or not this is always the 1st verse they use to base there belief. But let’s look at it, and let’s look at a few verses in John… I saw someone say Catholics use the RSVCE Bible right, so let’s use that one.
1stly as Christians we all believe that Jesus is “The Word” spoken about in John 1:1, so if we replace “The Word” with “Jesus” then it would be the same thing…
Now let’s read it John 1:1 will then say: "In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God.
Read verse 2 again it says Jesus was in the beginning with God not Jesus is God, if I say you were with someone does it mean you are that person?
John 1:1 isn’t the only verse, but it is key because the Watchtower has proven the Trinity for us from this verse. I’ve never been JW, so I don’t know what they call it, but they gave me a book called “What does the Bible Really Teach,” availble on the
JW.org website for free.
In the Appendix it has a short chapter
On the Trinity. Here is what it says:
John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (
King James Version)
Bear in mind that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, translators rendered the Greek text into other languages. A number of Bible translators, though, did not use the phrase “the Word was God.” Why not? Based on their knowledge of Biblical Greek, those translators concluded that the phrase “the Word was God” should be translated differently. How? Here are a few examples: “
The Logos [Word] was divine.” (
A New Translation of the Bible) “The Word was a god.” (
The New Testament in an Improved Version) “
The Word was with God and shared his nature.” (
The Translator’s New Testament) According to these translations, the Word is not God himself.
John also states that the Word was *“with *God.” But how can an individual be *with *someone and at the same time *be *that person?
The official doctrine of the Trinity teaches that Personhood and Nature are different. You are a person, you are a different person than your own dad, but you have the same (human) nature as your dad. You are not your dad, but you have his nature, and thus you have his same ‘abilities’.
The Watchtower officially thinks that this is what Christians are saying by John1:1, “In the beginning was the Son, and the Son was with the Father, and the Son was the Father.” But this is completely wrong and is the exact opposite of the Christian doctrine on the Trinity. :crying:
Rather, the Greek text makes it
very clear what John was saying so that there would be no confusion (it only becomes confusing in English). How do we know this? Because the Watchtower has given us “correct” translations of 1:1c above! “The Word was divine” and “The Word was with God and shared God’s nature.”
Thus, the true doctrine of the Trinity, proven directly from the JWs is this:
“In the beginning was the Son, and the Son was with the Father, and the Son had the God the Father’s divine nature.” 
Thus, Jesus is a different person than the father (just as you are a different person from your parents), but Jesus has the same divine nature as God the Father (just as you have your parents nature).
The Watchtower repeatedly thinks the Trinity means “the Father IS the Son,” but that’s completely wrong.
Rather, the Trinity means “the Father and Son are distinct persons but have the same divine nature”.
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