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Is suffering a physical evil?
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Bookcat
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Is the fact that my skin is sensitive to heat - so that when I touch fire I feel it burns-- so I will withdraw my hand – an evil? Or a good?Is suffering a physical evil?
Is the eating of mouse by a cat – a good or an evil?
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devoutchristian
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Is the suffering itslf a physical evil?Is the fact that my skin is sensitive to heat - so that when I touch fire I feel it burns-- so I will withdraw my hand – an evil? Or a good?
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dshix
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Oh, really? Could you reference the book, chapter, and verse where you read this?I read in OT scripture in the New earth and heaven kingdom of God. There will be no Poisonous snakes and big cats will eat vegetation and not other animals.
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Is the fact that my skin is sensitive to heat - so that when I touch fire I feel it burns-- so I will withdraw my hand – an evil? Or a good?
Is the eating of mouse by a cat – a good or an evil?
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devoutchristian
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Is the suffering itslf a physical evil?
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Bookcat
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The first is good for me in the sense that it helps keep me from getting burned all the time.Is the fact that my skin is sensitive to heat - so that when I touch fire I feel it burns-- so I will withdraw my hand – an evil? Or a good?
Is the eating of mouse by a cat – a good or an evil?
The later is good for the cat --especially if nice an plump --(not so good for the mouse…but for the natural order of things).
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Bookcat
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How did God create the universe? In a state of perfection?
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buffalo
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After the fall death and corruption entered the world.
Now if one is a young earther this falls into place nicely as animals didn’t have to die in the first few days. If one is an old earther then one has to consider that animals did die before the fall, and this death only applies to humans who lost their preternatural gifts.
Another possibility is that from God’s perspective time runs in both directions.
Now if one is a young earther this falls into place nicely as animals didn’t have to die in the first few days. If one is an old earther then one has to consider that animals did die before the fall, and this death only applies to humans who lost their preternatural gifts.
Another possibility is that from God’s perspective time runs in both directions.
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God created a world (the universe) – “in stat via”– in a state of being on the way.
As the Catechism puts it:
“with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world “in a state of journeying” towards its ultimate perfection. In God’s plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature.” (310)
As the Catechism puts it:
“with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world “in a state of journeying” towards its ultimate perfection. In God’s plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature.” (310)
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Bookcat
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God created a world (the universe) – “in stat via”– in a state of being on the way.
As the Catechism puts it:
“with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world “in a state of journeying” towards its ultimate perfection. In God’s plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature.” (310)
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CCC
400 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination.282 Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.283 Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.284 Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”,285 for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history.
scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm#III
400 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination.282 Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.283 Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.284 Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”,285 for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history.
scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm#III
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devoutchristian
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Yes. God is perfect so he cannot create imperfection.How did God create the universe? In a state of perfection?
Exactly.Another possibility is that from God’s perspective time runs in both directions.
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Bookcat
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God created a world (the universe) – “in stat via”– in a state of being on the way.Yes. God is perfect so he cannot create imperfection.
As the Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it:
“with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world “in a state of journeying” towards its ultimate perfection. In God’s plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature.” (310)
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devoutchristian
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Obiously he didn’t create the universe in a state of supernatural perfection, but he did make it without disorder.God created a world (the universe) – “in stat via”– in a state of being on the way.
As the Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it:
“with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world “in a state of journeying” towards its ultimate perfection. In God’s plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature.” (310)
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Bookcat
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What may look to someone as disorder – is order in reality. (I try to explain this to my wife…but well…that argument regarding my choice of where things go does not always work…)Obiously he didn’t create the universe in a state of supernatural perfection, but he did make it without disorder.
It is not just that it was not created in a “state of supernatural disorder” it was created – in stat via – in a state of being on the way. Complete with the appearing and disappearance of certain beings. And constructive and destructive forces…
As the Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it:
“with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world “in a state of journeying” towards its ultimate perfection. In God’s plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature.” (310)
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Bookcat
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The Church does not teach that the death of animals entered the world with original sin.
Animals could live and die (natural and by being eaten by other animals) prior to original sin.
But yes death entered for man with the original sin --as the Catechism teaches at the time of the original sin:
“Death makes its entrance into human history”
Animals could live and die (natural and by being eaten by other animals) prior to original sin.
But yes death entered for man with the original sin --as the Catechism teaches at the time of the original sin:
“Death makes its entrance into human history”
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shaky
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‘‘Their relations marked by lust and domination’’. Are you saying Married Catholics commit lust when they have sex ?CCC
400 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination.282 Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.283 Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.284 Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”,285 for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history.
scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm#III
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shaky
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Isaiah 11:6-9…Isaiah 65:25…Oh, really? Could you reference the book, chapter, and verse where you read this?
Animals was not created to eat each other. We will have animals in the New Kingdom of God.
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devoutchristian
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Is suffering “order”?What may look to someone as disorder – is order in reality. (I try to explain this to my wife…but well…that argument regarding my choice of where things go does not always work…)
It is not just that it was not created in a “state of supernatural disorder” it was created – in stat via – in a state of being on the way. Complete with the appearing and disappearance of certain beings. And constructive and destructive forces…
As the Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it:
“with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world “in a state of journeying” towards its ultimate perfection. In God’s plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature.” (310)
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