Did God exclude females from receiving an ontological change

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simpleas said:
I didn’t say it made women lower or second class, I said it was strange, because I believe God sees women as equal to men, and there isn’t a human women who represents Christ.
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Represents Christ is when men and women do what He would want us to do. For example, feeding the poor. Represents Christ is not limited to a particular event, time and place, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Represents Christ does not require a Holy Sacrament.

In Persona Christi goes way deeper than represents.
 
I, for one, really couldn’t care less that women can’t be priests. It doesn’t determine for me that the Church “hates women.” God could have created an all male world, yet He didn’t and His creation of Eve has more than shown that, in His eyes, creation was “not good” until He fashioned the woman.
 
I believe that a woman can have a genuinely good desire to serve God as a Catholic ordained priest. I also believe that God knows best and communicates His decision via the Catholic Church which is guided by the wisdom of the Holy Spirit.

Therefore, the bottom line is that we women, along with men, do have equal access to the Beatific Vision following bodily death. Heaven surpasses everything connected with male priesthood on earth. Instead of telling the Catholic Church what it should do in order to have equality between men and us, we women need to focus on our own personal path to heaven. A path that does not demand the Catholic Sacrament of Holy Orders. A path that invites our deep love and obedience.
 
It’s not about telling the Church what it should be doing in order for it to show equality between men and women. It’s about how the church teaches that women do not bare any resemblance to Christ. Yes a man is not a woman and a woman is not a man.
God is genderless.

Also,would God be really angry if a women acted in persona Christi?
Would it be so displeasing to him?
 
simpleas said:
It’s not about telling the Church what it should be doing in order for it to show equality between men and women. It’s about how the church teaches that women do not bare any resemblance to Christ. Yes a man is not a woman and a woman is not a man.
God is genderless.

Also,would God be really angry if a women acted in persona Christi?
Would it be so displeasing to him?
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As far as I can tell, the Catholic Church teaches Genesis 1: 27. What is wrong with that basic teaching?

Genesis 1: 27 usccb.org/bible/genesis/1
God created mankind in His image;
in the image of God He created them;
male and female* He created them.

Some of those preachers (wolves in sheep’s clothing) who are hacking away at the foundation of the Catholic Church might figure out that casting doubts about the human nature "In Persona Christi" can put a crack in the Catholic foundation. For those preachers, a crack is worth a try.
 
Its kind of a ridiculous argument. The ontological grace given via Ordination is a spiritual gift because of a lacking in man due to the fall. Women (in total) did not lack anything in this regard and are able to fulfill motherhood biologically, spiritually, fully without needing an additional Divine ontological intervention. The Church is saying through baptism, chrismation, Eucharist, marriage and confession, women are able to be fully Eve before the fall. Men are still lacking one aspect of Adam without the additional grace, Adam’s priesthood. Kingship and prophethood are fulfilled at Initiation, but spiritual priesthood for the majority of men is limited to their family or maybe extended group or tribe. To be the spiritual father of all mankind is a tall order needing Divine assistance.
 
SyroMalankara said:
Its kind of a ridiculous argument. The ontological grace given via Ordination is a spiritual gift because of a lacking in man due to the fall. Women (in total) did not lack anything in this regard and are able to fulfill motherhood biologically, spiritually, fully without needing an additional Divine ontological intervention. The Church is saying through baptism, chrismation, Eucharist, marriage and confession, women are able to be fully Eve before the fall. Men are still lacking one aspect of Adam without the additional grace, Adam’s priesthood. Kingship and prophethood are fulfilled at Initiation, but spiritual priesthood for the majority of men is limited to their family or maybe extended group or tribe. To be the spiritual father of all mankind is a tall order needing Divine assistance.
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This would mean every man would need to be ordained then…
 
Thorolfr said:
It can’t even be proven in any observable or scientific way that anything happens when a bishop ordains a man.
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Do you have any scientific proof that the Archangel Gabriel exists?
If so, how much does he weigh?

… or are you saying that you don’t believe in the existence of anything that cannot be observed and measured scientifically? :confused:
 
simpleas said:
This would mean every man would need to be ordained then…
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Only if Jesus ordained all living men who were His followers. He didn’t. By example, then, He showed us that not all in His Church are ministerial priests. (All are priests, by the way. Just not ministerial priests.)
 
reggieM said:
Do you have any scientific proof that the Archangel Gabriel exists?
If so, how much does he weigh?

… or are you saying that you don’t believe in the existence of anything that cannot be observed and measured scientifically? :confused:
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I’m certainly very skeptical about the existence of things that cannot be observed or measured scientifically. But I’m willing to listen to someone’s hypothesis about the existence of the Archangel Gabriel, for example.

😉
 
Thorolfr said:
I’m certainly very skeptical about the existence of things that cannot be observed or measured scientifically. But I’m willing to listen to someone’s hypothesis about the existence of the Archangel Gabriel, for example.

😉
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I don’t know about the Archangel Gabriel.

Some winters back, I was walking down our sloped driveway and did not realize that it was slippery. I started to slide down it. I swear I could feel my Guardian Angel holding me up and directing my sliding body to the edge where there was a low snow bank and I could get off the ice. 😃
 
Gorgias said:
Only if Jesus ordained all living men who were His followers. He didn’t. By example, then, He showed us that not all in His Church are ministerial priests. (All are priests, by the way. Just not ministerial priests.)
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The poster seemed to suggest men lack Divine assistance, and women do not.

Women can fulfil their duty, apart from ministerial duties seen as a mans duty only to God.

Jesus didn’t ordain anyone, not in the way we know ordination to be practised, but he did give the Holy Spirit to ALL. (not just men)
 
simpleas said:
The poster seemed to suggest men lack Divine assistance, and women do not.

Women can fulfil their duty, apart from ministerial duties seen as a mans duty only to God.

Jesus didn’t ordain anyone, not in the way we know ordination to be practised, but he did give the Holy Spirit to ALL. (not just men)
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Personally, I do not understand why the women priests proposal is such a big deal. :o
 
grannymh said:
The Catholic Church does not teach that women automatically go to Hell.
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That’s true; but I’m not getting the connection to women’s ordination or to the priesthood.

The Second Person of the Trinity is a divine Person. Because of the Incarnation, the Messiah Jesus has two natures in one Person. God has no gender, but Jesus does. In his human nature, he is male. A priest does not act ‘in the person of God,’ he acts in the person of Jesus the Christ.
 
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