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God the partner dies? I think your parallel breaks down here.
Also, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David all died. This didn’t invalidate or end those covenants.
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Also, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David all died. This didn’t invalidate or end those covenants.
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NotWorthy
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Yes, Didn’t God die on the Cross?
Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David were the Covenant Mediators.
Adam’s Covenant was with all married couples.
Noah’s Covenant was with all families.
Abraham’s Covenant was with all the tribes of Israel.
Moses Covenant was with the nation of Israel.
David’s Covenant was with the Kingdom of Israel.
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NotWorthy
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Then why aren’t you asking if I’m Catholic. Last I checked, I certainly was!!!I know, that is why I am confused. Did you read Ghosty’s post? Do you have a ccc? Do you realize you are agreeing to something contrary to what the Church teaches?
BTW, what is contrary to what the Church teaches?
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NotWorthy
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OK, I think I see your confusion (and mine). Sixtus was "Amen"ing my post, not Ghosty’s. And I thought you were chiming in with ricmat with his questioning of my post.I know, that is why I am confused. Did you read Ghosty’s post? Do you have a ccc? Do you realize you are agreeing to something contrary to what the Church teaches?
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Hellisreal
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Am I mistaken or do you think the covenant with the Jews is no longer?
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Valke2
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more like an acorn becoming an elm tree. I’ll stick to the acorn…
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NotWorthy
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I think the Mosaic Covenant with the Jews has been fulfilled in Jesus. The Jews should have jumped on the bandwagon of the New Covenant, which is the New Israel.
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JoeyWarren
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Now if I went on the title alone, I would say yes in a around about way. Genesis is full of course corrections. Do you make corrections if you have not made a mistake?Or something like that
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theAuthor
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That God died on the Cross. God is simple in that he has no parts. SO “part” of God could not die, when Jesus died. God the Father and God the Holy Spirit did not die with him. We didn’t have for three days no God or a “Biunity” rather than a Trinty. Jesus died in His perfect human self, but by the nature of being God, his Divine self could not have died.
I absolutely agree with notworthy about the Jews jumping on the bandwagon, especially since Jesus offered them pride of place. Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant, completing it and starting a new one. The Sermon on the Mount (in Matthew’s Gospel) is supposed to show Jesus as the new Moses, the new lawgiver. The Last Supper is the new passover meal, and his death and resurrection signify a New Covenant. Hence, “This is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant, it will be shed for you and for all that sins may be forgiven.” That is the promise, freedom from the death and punishment due to sin. What came before was a foreshadowing of what was to come and pointed to it, so you’ll often see parallels between Old and New.
Having said all that I still hold the belief that the Jews are special to God.
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Hellisreal
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Should have, yes. But, the covenant is still there for them.
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NotWorthy
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So if a husband dies, the wife can still stay married to him? She can cling to a lost hope, but can she still be married? I’m asking from the Church’s eyes.
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NotWorthy
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Hellisreal
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Hellisreal
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I hope my above link to the CCC puts this to rest.
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NotWorthy
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I’m not saying they are wrong. I’m not sure of your point.
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theAuthor
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Yes, that concretes it. 
To the OP, reading the OT, you can see that it points to Jesus along the way.
God did not make a mistake.
Jesus was with God in the beginning (John 1:1)
Before man was even created God had Redemption worked out.
God is sovereign. He still decided to make man, even though existing out of time He knew what the result would be. I think it just shows yet again how much He loves us and wanted to share life with us.
The only problem I see is the direct quote from Genesis where God regretted making man. I take it that Moses was using poetic licence there that God made a mistake:
Genesis 6:6 “And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
To the OP, reading the OT, you can see that it points to Jesus along the way.
God did not make a mistake.
Jesus was with God in the beginning (John 1:1)
Before man was even created God had Redemption worked out.
God is sovereign. He still decided to make man, even though existing out of time He knew what the result would be. I think it just shows yet again how much He loves us and wanted to share life with us.
The only problem I see is the direct quote from Genesis where God regretted making man. I take it that Moses was using poetic licence there that God made a mistake:
Genesis 6:6 “And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
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theAuthor
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The point is that what God has promised is unchanging for God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. The Catechism article clearly states that God did not remove the Old Covenant from the Jews and that they are still covered by it.
My question about that is, how can that be when there is no Temple in Jerusalem? Can someone explain that please?
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Grateful4mercy
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I hope I’m not reading too much into this, but the OP is an SDA and I believe he is trying to ask us why God would change one of his commandments (you know which one, right ).
I am only guessing because I don’t see another post by Protestant101 in here anywhere yet. Let’s see where he is trying to lead us.
).I am only guessing because I don’t see another post by Protestant101 in here anywhere yet. Let’s see where he is trying to lead us.
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Hellisreal
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I think its because we can not be sure of how some Jews will come to salvation through Christ, it may be in a mysterious way only God knows and we can not percieve.
I really dont know, nor have I read theological speculation on the matter. I think I better re-read ad gents again.
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Hellisreal
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SDA’s are not Protestants. They are an offshoot of Protestants.
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