Did God Make A Mistake?

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davidarlette said:
The point is that what God has promised is unchanging for God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. The Catechism article clearly states that God did not remove the Old Covenant from the Jews and that they are still covered by it.

My question about that is, how can that be when there is no Temple in Jerusalem? Can someone explain that please?
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May I please ask where this is stated in the Catechism?
 
Post by hellisreal above:

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/839.htm

The idea is you double-click on the text with the line below it and it takes you to another web address where the information is displyed. Marvellous things we can do nowadays, 101.:rolleyes:
 
To the Jews “belong {present tense} the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”, "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable {there iit is explicitly stated}.
 
davidarlette said:
Yes, that concretes it. 👍

To the OP, reading the OT, you can see that it points to Jesus along the way.
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I don’t know. I’ve read it quite a few times now and I’ve seen nothing that points to Jesus in a positive way.
 
Valke2 said:
I don’t know. I’ve read it quite a few times now and I’ve seen nothing that points to Jesus in a positive way.
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Its positive that the Catholic Church believes the covenant with your people is still in force isn’t it?
 
If the Jews are still under the Mosaic Covenant, then why haven’t they faced all the curses of Deuteronomy? I thought the Jews were released from the Mosaic Covenant (I come to fulfill the Law) and were to follow their Messiah into the New Covenant.

As I review another post, someone asked about the Jewish Temple. Maybe, as a symbol of Israel, it’s destruction signaled the end of the Mosaic Covenant.
 
NotWorthy said:
If the Jews are still under the Mosaic Covenant, then why haven’t they faced all the curses of Deuteronomy? I thought the Jews were released from the Mosaic Covenant (I come to fulfill the Law) and were to follow their Messiah into the New Covenant.

As I review another post, someone asked about the Jewish Temple. Maybe, as a symbol of Israel, it’s destruction signaled the end of the Mosaic Covenant.
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This is not Catholic thought. If it is, could you please point to me the papal documents that state this after Vatican 2?

I think you will be very hard pressed to come up with anything.

I am going to post a link to some papal documents that come to mind here.
 
NotWorthy said:
Jewish Temple. Maybe, as a symbol of Israel, it’s destruction signaled the end of the Mosaic Covenant.
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Not Worthy has echoed my own understanding of that which appeared to be a significant event
 
Sixtus said:
NotWorthy said:

Not Worthy has echoed my own understanding of that which appeared to be a significant event
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SO are God’s promises! Are you saying God’s promises are less signifigant?:confused:
 
Hellisreal said:
SO are God’s promises! Are you saying God’s promises are less signifigant?:confused:
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Who is claiming that God’s promises have been proven wrong? Are you interpreting that that is my meaning, because it surely is not my intent.
 
This might better explain what I was trying to say on Covenants. I worked this up a couple of years ago.
Why must Jesus die in order to save Israel? The biblical answer is “the covenant.” Israel and Yahweh had made a solemn covenant, and covenants - such as marriage - are permanent. Therefore, the oaths that Israel swore as part of the covenant, which included the curses, could not be taken back. God and Israel swore that breaking the covenant would end in death. According to the curses, Israel had to be exiled and destroyed for her unfaithfulness unless one of the parties was to die. (Deut. 28:15-68, especially vv. 47-48). Israel’s death would hardly solve the problem, and God couldn’t die - or could He? According to St. Paul, this is exactly what God does through Jesus. God becomes incarnate in Jesus, who then takes upon Himself the curses of the covenant and dies on the Cross. Thus the Old Covenant curses are annulled on the Cross. Do we have any covenants today that are broken only in death? Yes, Marriage. As St. Paul says, God has “forgiven us all our trespasses, having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross” (Col. 2:13-14). On the Cross the curse is conquered*. *
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Hellisreal says:
SO are God’s promises! Are you saying God’s promises are less signifigant?
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I say it’s BECAUSE God’s promses are everything, that Jesus had to die on the Cross.
 
How clear do I have to be?

God’s promise- his Covenant with the Jews stands. That, is my only point. Unfortunately it seems I must repeat it and provide the CCC and Lumen Gentium and search for yet another document since I dont have my post-it-note marked up CCC here handy.
I have made my point. If anyone else has one that runs contrary to it, as I said before, show me where I am wrong and you are right.
 
Hellisreal said:
How clear do I have to be?

God’s promise- his Covenant with the Jews stands. That, is my only point. Unfortunately it seems I must repeat it and provide the CCC and Lumen Gentium and search for yet another document since I dont have my post-it-note marked up CCC here handy.
I have made my point. If anyone else has one that runs contrary to it, as I said before, show me where I am wrong and you are right.
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You were the one who questioned whether I was Catholic or not, well at least someone who agreed with me. You should show where I’m wrong. Evidently, to do this, you posted an explanation that would take an hour to read.

Some of us would like a little simpler answer, that’s all.

You are the one who is acting like I don’t think God’s Promises are important. Where do I give you that impression?!?
 
NotWorthy said:
Sigh… can you summarize or at least cut the two or three paraphraphs that will explain this to some of us who don’t have 45 minutes to read a document just to prove a single point that refutes our opinions?
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I was taught its a sin to not put forth some effort in finding out what the Church teaches.
But, I will do it soon if no one can find it.
 
Hellisreal said:
I was taught its a sin to not put forth some effort in finding out what the Church teaches.
But, I will do it soon if no one can find it.
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I am at work and cannot spend all day on the Forums. My efforts are better spent when I’ve got more time on my hands. But sometimes, work beckons.

I was taught not to judge someone and imply that they are sinning, when I have no clue what their situations may be.
 
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