Did I steal?

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JSSD said:
That’s OK, because to me…

This is. 🙂 You believe it in your soul. (I do as well)

I’m fine with this. I can know with certainty what the CC or Bible says.
But, can I know with absolute certainty and demonstrable evidence that the authors were correct? I can believe it…(even in my soul).
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I think you are too semanitcal here. And I think you are creating definitions where they do not exist.

Simply

I know (with absolute certainty) and believe.

Both.

If I did not, then I would not share my knowledge. As Truth.

Jesus said I am the Way the TRUTH and the life.

Of this I have absolute certainty.
 
MacQ said:
Believing in something isn’t what’s at issue here.
Trying to censor what other people read is.
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No. The issue is, if you are right, then contradictory beliefs are wrong. We know that not knowing or believing the teachings of Catholicism puts you at greater risk for damnation than if you do believe. So we should all act accordingly. Like preventing the spread of lies, for example.
 
ToTheHeights said:
Funny, I recall Jesus flipping over tables in the temple. I think it’s safe to assume some property was destroyed there.
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Do you “know” (or believe) that is the same thing as what we’re discussing here?

If you feel so sure that we should be doing this kind of thing, why are you posting here instead of destroying temples, mosques, fighting on some sort of crusade in the ME, etc? :confused:
 
Rmac81 said:
They were giving them away–fortunately you received them and know what to do. They don’t have control over what people do with the information they give away.

When I see the Book of Mormon in hotel rooms, I take it home and recycle it. I’m under the impression that is there for people and they would be more than happy if someone took the Book of Mormon home with them. Again, they have no control over what said person does with the book they give away.
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I hope you will reconsider that practice. I think it’s wrong and profoundly disrespectful.
Telling yourself they want people to take it is like telling yourself any number of things to justify stealing something (that they didn’t mind, don’t need it, probably wanted rid of it)…do you really think they wanted someone to take it to the trash heap?
THEY have no control over you, true. But you should.
 
JSSD said:
Anything, or something extremely specific?
I don’t think it is fair to constantly extrapolate to the extreme. $0.02
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I’m not extrapolating to the extreme. People are suggesting that we shouldn’t act as though Catholicism is correct. That such an attitude is “arrogant”.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I think you are too semanitcal here. And I think you are creating definitions where they do not exist.

Simply

I know (with absolute certainty) and believe.

Both.
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That’s fair, but I don’t agree. (Which is fine) I don’t need to have faith in, for example, the law of thermodynamics. I can prove it. I can believe (with absolute certainty) in Heaven, but I certainly cannot prove (or disprove) it. I don’t think it is semantics, but can respect if you do.
 
ToTheHeights said:
No. The issue is, if you are right, then contradictory beliefs are wrong. We know that not knowing or believing the teachings of Catholicism puts you at greater risk for damnation than if you do believe. So we should all act accordingly. Like preventing the spread of lies, for example.
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We will have to disagree.
There is no justification for such actions. None.
You would do well in one of those radical fundamentalist sects.
 
MacQ said:
I hope you will reconsider that practice. I think it’s wrong and profoundly disrespectful.
Telling yourself they want people to take it is like telling yourself any number of things to justify stealing something (that they didn’t mind, don’t need it, probably wanted rid of it)…do you really think they wanted someone to take it to the trash heap?
THEY have no control over you, true. But you should.
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It is funny because there really is a fine line. I have no problem with destroying pamphlets that were illegally put on mailboxes. But I do have a problem with taking the book of Mormon. From a hotel room. Something about destroying another religions scriptures bothers me. Call it iconoclast, or book burning or whatever. 🤷

I recognize the inconsistency in my own position, but the inconsistency is there. 🤷

Trash the trash, leave the scripture. 🤷
 
JSSD said:
Do you “know” (or believe) that is the same thing as what we’re discussing here?

If you feel so sure that we should be doing this kind of thing, why are you posting here instead of destroying temples, mosques, fighting on some sort of crusade in the ME, etc? :confused:
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First off, what I personally do isn’t reflective of what is True and what is not. We are all sinners.

That being said, I fight lies whenever and wherever I can. I’ve lost jobs and friends doing so. A crusade can only be called by the Pope (I can’t just start my own), and believe me I would answer the call if there was one.

Regarding destroying mosques, I think that is in a different category than throwing away a leaflet. It seems more in the realm of a crusade to me.
 
JSSD said:
Uhh, that is VERY different from what I suggested. $0.02
Moral relativism? Seriously?

I guess I missed the part where Jesus destroyed the materials of other religions, suggested his followers do the same, all in the name of absolute truth.

I’m not saying everything is right. A great example is destroying someone else’s property. 🙂 I thought there was a commandment on it, as well…
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ToTheHeights said:
I’m not extrapolating to the extreme. People are suggesting that we shouldn’t act as though Catholicism is correct. That such an attitude is “arrogant”.
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Extrapolating to the extreme is several folks suggesting you shouldn’t destroy another person’s religious materials, and you countering that not advocating that behavior is moral relativism.

Extrapolating to the extreme is my suggesting that this behavior is something Jesus wouldn’t condone, and you suggesting that I’m saying, “everything is right, nothing is wrong.” I’m not saying that. Sorry.
 
ToTheHeights said:
First off, what I personally do isn’t reflective of what is True and what is not. We are all sinners.

That being said, I fight lies whenever and wherever I can. I’ve lost jobs and friends doing so. A crusade can only be called by the Pope (I can’t just start my own), and believe me I would answer the call if there was one.

Regarding destroying mosques, I think that is in a different category than throwing away a leaflet. It seems more in the realm of a crusade to me.
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Is Jesus disrupting the money changers in the temple a different category than the behavior in question of the OP?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
It is funny because there really is a fine line. I have no problem with destroying pamphlets that were illegally put on mailboxes. But I do have a problem with taking the book of Mormon. From a hotel room. Something about destroying another religions scriptures bothers me. Call it iconoclast, or book burning or whatever. 🤷

I recognize the inconsistency in my own position, but the inconsistency is there. 🤷

Trash the trash, leave the scripture. 🤷
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Yes, the inconsistency IS there.
I think it’s the same.
 
MacQ said:
You would do well in one of those radical fundamentalist sects.
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Thanks. Say what you will about such people, but I respect them more than passionless, luke warm individuals. I even respect muslims more than they. At least the “radical fundamentalist sects” and muslims value what God asks of them (or what they erroneously think God asks of them) over their own selfish comforts.
 
MacQ said:
Only in degree.
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No, a pamphlet is not in any way the same as a mosque. In any degree. It is not elevated as scripture or even Holy and is as capable of being disregarded and thrown away as a flyer for a parish picnic.
 
This thread has degenerated into silly arguments that are totally off topic. To Op,
I don’t think you did anything wrong. The material was on the outside of the mailbox, the owners hadn’t picked it up yet. They were left there and could easily been blown off or weather damage. People do this all the time, usually it is advertising for lawn care or some such thing and realize that legally they can’t put it in the mailbox so they place it on top etc. This stuff is open to anyone to pick up, it isn’t specifically addressed to you or your neighbors. I wouldn’t worry about it and would go ahead and destroy it.
 
JSSD said:
Is Jesus disrupting the money changers in the temple a different category than the behavior in question of the OP?
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With regard to what? The monetary value of the property destroyed? The degree of the blasphemy called into question? The legality of the action? The outcome of the action?

I brought that up because someone said that Jesus would never destroy property.

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And yes, I think it’s safe to say that flipping over a table and destroying merchandise is closer to throwing away a leaflet than it is to destroying an entire religious building.
 
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