Did Jesus Drink Alcohol?

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My mother in law was trying to tell me that the wine jesus drank did not include alcohal and was just grape juice. is this true? I have never really heard that before. just checking to see what others think.

thanks for your help.
 
Is your mother a member of the Church of Christ? They teach that the wine Jesus drank did not contain alcohol because at the wedding feast in Cana - Jesus turned water into wine … therefore it could not have contained alcohol …

I was raised andbatized in the Chruch of Christ …

My problems with htis is Jesus drank wine on many occasions where it was not turned into wine from water.

If it had no alcoholic content … hat was the miracle?

If the wine of the times was non-alcoholic, why was Jesus accused of hanging out with drunkards …

Personally, I always felt the Church [of Christ] should have just said that alcoholism is a serious issue. It causes harm and hurts families, individuals and society … therfore, we do not allow use of alcoholic beverages for our membership as we find that consumption counter to the Gospel message and living the life of Christian sterwardship [or something similar - identify it as a discipline - not a doctrine]…
 
mkj83 said:
My mother in law was trying to tell me that the wine jesus drank did not include alcohal and was just grape juice. is this true? I have never really heard that before. just checking to see what others think.

thanks for your help.
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Use your own logic on this one…is wine ‘wine’ if it does not have any alcohol content?
 
Yes, Jesus drank alcohol.

Nobody drank plain juice or water back then because it wasn’t safe. Everyone drank wine, but usually watered it so the alcoholic content was low. The alcohol in the wine killed all the nasty bugs in the water making it safe to drink.
 
I was raised to believe the same thing in the “Church of God” (pentecostal). I understand now that the only person who did not drink the “wine” was John the Baptist.

Jesus most certainly drank real “wine”. And all “wine” contains alcohol.
 
Jesus, like any good Jew, drank alcohol during various Jewish holidays such as Passover.
 
In the first chapter of Acts, after the Holy Spirit descended upon the apostles and they began speaking in strange tongues:

Others mocking said, “These men are full of new wine”. But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, "Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day!"

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Ohwesty said:
In the first chapter of Acts, after the Holy Spirit descended upon the apostles and they began speaking in strange tongues:

Others mocking said, "These men are full of new wine". But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, "Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day!"

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Does this have anything to do with the OP?
 
mkj83 said:
My mother in law was trying to tell me that the wine jesus drank did not include alcohal and was just grape juice. is this true? I have never really heard that before. just checking to see what others think.

thanks for your help.
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…and some Protestants say that Catholics make stuff up! :rolleyes:
 
Well, I heard Chuck Swindoll once say on one his radio programs, when describing the last supper:

“And Jesus took the bread and told his disciples, this represents my body, then he took juice and said this represents my blood.”

Therefore, since Chuck was trained at the Dallas Theological Seminary, he must know something I don’t, since I didn’t go to school there.
 
runandsew said:
Well, I heard Chuck Swindoll once say on one his radio programs, when describing the last supper:

“And Jesus took the bread and told his disciples, this represents my body, then he took juice and said this represents my blood.”

Therefore, since Chuck was trained at the Dallas Theological Seminary, he must know something I don’t, since I didn’t go to school there.
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That reminds me of this Bible story book (entitled My Book of Bible Stories) I saw once. It had Jesus saying “This means my body”…

Then again that book infers that Satan is the one who sent the star to lead the Wise Men to Jesus. :eek:
 
The Jewish law requires that all Sabbaths be celebrated with the “fruit of the vine.” It does not mandate fermented or nonfermented, but it DOES say that it needs to be cut with water to make it safe for children to drink (implying strong alcoholic content).

Israel has growing seasons. Grapes are harvested in September. Harvested grapes that have not been squeezed rot within a week. Grape juice that has not been intentionally fermented will ferment on its own in three days, generally with distasteful results.

Sometimes they had droughts and famines, and lost the entire grape crop for the year. “Fruit of the vine” needed to be set aside well in advance for weekly Sabbath use.

Ordinary Israelites in Jesus’ time did not have refrigerators, nor could they afford FedEx overnight delivery. For that matter, neither could the rich.

Passover - when the Last Supper was celebrated - falls in March. This is six months after the grape harvest.

THEREFORE: Jesus HAD to use fermented wine at the Last Supper.

Want one final proof?

Mt 11:18-19 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon’; the Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’

Lk 7:33-34 For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine; and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of man has come eating and drinking; and you say, ‘Behold, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’
 
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Does this have anything to do with the OP?
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Yes! St. Peter made a point in saying the apostles were not filled with new wine, besides, how could they be “drunk” when it was only nine in the morning? The implication to me is: people (including Jesus and the apostles) waited until later in the day to drink wine. One thing is certain, nobody can get “drunk” on non-alcoholic grape juice.
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Ohwesty said:
Yes! St. Peter made a point in saying the apostles were not filled with new wine, besides, how could they be “drunk” when it was only nine in the morning? The implication to me is: people waited until later in the day to drink wine. To be certain, nobody can get “drunk” on non-alcoholic grape juice.
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All right. I just thought you were using apples to prove oranges.

What about the verse where Jesus says that the Pharisees accused Him of being a drunkard because he drank wine?
 
NotWorthy said:
What about the verse where Jesus says that the Pharisees accused Him of being a drunkard because he drank wine?
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I think that verse sort of proves that the wine Jesus was accustomed to drinking was fermented. How could he be accused of being a drunkard otherwise?

But this did not mean that Jesus got drunk. One can drink wine and even experience a sense of “well-being” without being drunk. Drunkenness is a sin of abuse. Jesus never sinned.
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Ohwesty said:
I think that verse sort of proves that the wine Jesus was accustomed to drinking was fermented. How could he be accused of being a drunkard otherwise?

But this did not mean that Jesus got drunk. One can drink wine and even experience a sense of “well-being” without being drunk. Drunkenness is a sin of abuse. Jesus never sinned.
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Perhaps I do not include myself among the Pharisees? 😉

I don’t recall ever calling Jesus a drunkard, in other words. But yes, he did drink wine, which was more of a health benefit back then.

Which reminds me of an old joke. A professor in college held up two beakers of clear liquid. He explained that one was pure water and the other was tequila. He then dropped a worm in each beaker. The one in tequila quickly shriveled up and died. The one in water swam around, carefree in its new environment.

The professor asked the class what lesson is to be learned from this experiment.

A guy in the back of the class quickly yelled out… (hold it, hold it)… “If you drink Tequila, you won’t get worms?”
 
The temprerance movement trying to put the grape juice interpretation in the 19 century.
 
mkj83 said:
My mother in law was trying to tell me that the wine jesus drank did not include alcohal and was just grape juice. is this true? I have never really heard that before. just checking to see what others think.

thanks for your help.
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Your mother-in-law obviously needs to review her science classes again. Alcohol is the natural by-product of grape fermentation. That was discovered thousands of years ago. Grape juice is a chemically-induced by-product, first implemented by Mr. Welch.
 
peary said:
Your mother-in-law obviously needs to review her science classes again. Alcohol is the natural by-product of grape fermentation. That was discovered thousands of years ago. Grape juice is a chemically-induced by-product, first implemented by Mr. Welch.
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Are you sure he didn’t get it from his ancient ancestor, Rabbi Welchstein? 😉
 
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