Did Jesus have siblings?

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inkaneer said:
“A little leaven leavens the whole lump.” Galatians 5:9 could be one answer. Usually on these forums we deal with doctrine and the differences that separate other christians from the Catholic Church. These people usually have been taught lies and half truths about Catholicism either deliberately or negligently. Here, people both Catholic as well as non Catholic can learn what Catholicism actually does teach.
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My dear brother, as a member of the Catholic clergy (Permanent Deacon), I am well aware of the teachings of the Church and I defend them with all my heart. Nevertheless, I have had the honor and privilege to gather with clergy and lay people from other Christians denominations to worship the SAME LORD and to study the Holy Scriptures. Some of the differences between the Roman Catholic Church and other Christians churches will never be solved in this life. We may spend a chunk of our earthly life trying to debate issues that may never be solved. When I share about these issues I do it with a spirit of LOVE and COMPASSION. You addressed them as “These people” but I see them as my brothers and sisters in Christ who share the SAME BAPTISM, the SAME LORD, the SAME SPIRIT, and hopefully, the SAME SALVATION. I love Apologetics, but my approach may be different from yours. God bless you and may you have a great day.:blessyou:
 
Deacon_JAR said:
My dear brother, as a member of the Catholic clergy (Permanent Deacon), I am well aware of the teachings of the Church and I defend them with all my heart. Nevertheless, I have had the honor and privilege to gather with clergy and lay people from other Christians denominations to worship the SAME LORD and to study the Holy Scriptures. Some of the differences between the Roman Catholic Church and other Christians churches will never be solved in this life. We may spend a chunk of our earthly life trying to debate issues that may never be solved. When I share about these issues I do it with a spirit of LOVE and COMPASSION. You addressed them as “These people” but I see them as my brothers and sisters in Christ who share the SAME BAPTISM, the SAME LORD, the SAME SPIRIT, and hopefully, the SAME SALVATION. I love Apologetics, but my approach may be different from yours. God bless you and may you have a great day.:blessyou:
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Yeah, well sometimes people need a slap upside the head to sort of jump start them on their journey. I have nothing against LOVE and COMPASSION but when dealing with sola scripturists it is reasoning from the scriptures and proving the sola scripturists wrong that will get them to thinking, then questioning, then researching and finally realizing that the claims of the Catholic Church are indeed true. Then, if they have the courage, converting. I don’t revert to the name calling they do but when they do I am not above telling them their bigotry is on display.
 
Don’t forget Paul what? It was Paul’s instruction not to be bound with unbelievers.
 
inkaneer said:
Yeah, well sometimes people need a slap upside the head to sort of jump start them on their journey. I have nothing against LOVE and COMPASSION but when dealing with sola scripturists it is reasoning from the scriptures and proving the sola scripturists wrong that will get them to thinking, then questioning, then researching and finally realizing that the claims of the Catholic Church are indeed true. Then, if they have the courage, converting. I don’t revert to the name calling they do but when they do I am not above telling them their bigotry is on display.
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My brother, I hope you are having a blessed day. Our brothers and sisters have been “thinking”, “questioning”, and “researching” for hundreds of years and they still have not changed their minds. Do you think you may change that? You said, “well sometimes people need a slap upside the head to sort of jump start them on their journey.” I will be very careful because the scripture says, “You shall not put the Lord, your God, to the test.” Scripture also says, “Stop judging, that you may not be judged. for as you judge, SO YOU WILL BE JUDGED, and the measure with which you measure will be measure out to you.” God bless. :blessyou:
 
Sir_Knight said:
Don’t forget Paul what? It was Paul’s instruction not to be bound with unbelievers.
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Yet it was Paul’s instructions not to divorce unbelievers…and this was, according to Paul, right from the mouth of Jesus! Go back and see how many times Paul actually quotes Jesus or says “this was Jesus’ teaching.” It isn’t many. So we aren’t to be bound to unbelievers but we can be married to them??
 
If a believer was previously married before becoming a believer, the instruction was not to divorce the unbeliever because they were joined when they shared similar belief but you can not discard the subsequent instruction not to bind oneself to an unbeliever.

The teaching is clear: if we are bound to someone already, we are not to break that bond but if we are not already bound, we should not bind ourselves to an unbeliever.
 
Deacon_JAR said:
My brother, I hope you are having a blessed day. Our brothers and sisters have been “thinking”, “questioning”, and “researching” for hundreds of years and they still have not changed their minds. Do you think you may change that? You said, “well sometimes people need a slap upside the head to sort of jump start them on their journey.” I will be very careful because the scripture says, “You shall not put the Lord, your God, to the test.” Scripture also says, “Stop judging, that you may not be judged. for as you judge, SO YOU WILL BE JUDGED, and the measure with which you measure will be measure out to you.” God bless. :blessyou:
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I respectfully disagree with your statement, “Our brothers and sisters have been “thinking”, “questioning”, and “researching” for hundreds of years and they still have not changed their minds.” Our current “separated brethren” have been spoon fed falsehoods, halftruths and outright lies concerning Catholicism by people who themselves were spoon fed by previous other spoon fed people to the point that they now have a history of anti Catholic doctrines. I have encountered many people who use derogatory terminology such as papist, Romish or ROMAN Catholic Church [with the emphasis on the ROMAN] without knowing that these terms were and still are derogatory. But this is the diet they have been fed all their lives. These people need a wake up call before they need LOVE and COMPASSION. I try to provide that wake up call and let others handle the LOVE and COMPASSION. At the very least these people will know that there exists a militancy among Catholics which is something their leaders told them we Catholics didn’t possess.

And be sure about this, I judge no one. What I attempt to do is nothing more than what any other apologist does and that is to give a defence for the hope that is within me. And if, in the process, someone’s “invinceable ignorance” takes a hit that is between them and God and I leave that up to God.
 
John_Lazarus said:
And I’m still waiting to find out why, if we are not to associate with unbelievers, Holy Mother Church allows mixed marriages.
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Good question. You tell me. Why does the Church allow for mixed marriages when the infallible Word of God specifically instructs against being joined with unbelievers?
 
inkaneer said:
I respectfully disagree with your statement, “Our brothers and sisters have been “thinking”, “questioning”, and “researching” for hundreds of years and they still have not changed their minds.” Our current “separated brethren” have been spoon fed falsehoods, halftruths and outright lies concerning Catholicism by people who themselves were spoon fed by previous other spoon fed people to the point that they now have a history of anti Catholic doctrines. I have encountered many people who use derogatory terminology such as papist, Romish or ROMAN Catholic Church [with the emphasis on the ROMAN] without knowing that these terms were and still are derogatory. But this is the diet they have been fed all their lives. These people need a wake up call before they need LOVE and COMPASSION. I try to provide that wake up call and let others handle the LOVE and COMPASSION. At the very least these people will know that there exists a militancy among Catholics which is something their leaders told them we Catholics didn’t possess.

And be sure about this, I judge no one. What I attempt to do is nothing more than what any other apologist does and that is to give a defence for the hope that is within me. And if, in the process, someone’s “invinceable ignorance” takes a hit that is between them and God and I leave that up to God.
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My dear brother in Christ, may the peace of the Lord be with you and all your loved ones. It is true there area a lot of anti Catholic ideas among some of our brothers and sisters from non-Catholic denominations. These erroneous ideas have been a fruit of “ignorance” that has been propagated for many, many years. Yes, it is our obligation, as it had been for all Roman Catholic who have lived before you and I, to correct what it is not true. We provide them with the facts: scriptures, writings, documents… But ultimately, It is up to them to read them with an open and sincere heart. That is the extend of our role. YOU CAN BRING THE PEOPLE TO THE WELL BUT YOU CANNOT FORCE THEM TO DRINK FROM THE WATER. If they agree with us or not, it is still our Christian obligation, as commanded by our Master in the greatetst commandment of all, TO LOVE THEM AS WE LOVE OURSELVES. Nobody is EXEMPT from this rule. Love atones for sins. God bless.:blessyou:
 
Sir_Knight said:
Good question. You tell me. Why does the Church allow for mixed marriages when the infallible Word of God specifically instructs against being joined with unbelievers?
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Because in her God-given wisdom and authority she has determined that it is appropriate and licit to do so.

You have put your finger on just what is so discomfiting about this series of posts, that which I was trying to suggest with my “too-catholic” comment a week ago. You claim to be supporting the Church but your statements implicitly - and sometimes explicitly - deny her authority. If you believe that your interpretation of Scripture is superior to the decisions of the Church, doesn’t that make you - a protestant?
 
NHInsider said:
Because in her God-given wisdom and authority she has determined that it is appropriate and licit to do so.

You have put your finger on just what is so discomfiting about this series of posts, that which I was trying to suggest with my “too-catholic” comment a week ago. You claim to be supporting the Church but your statements implicitly - and sometimes explicitly - deny her authority. If you believe that your interpretation of Scripture is superior to the decisions of the Church, doesn’t that make you - a protestant?
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I never claimed that my understanding was superior to that of the Church. Additionally, I was not aware of the last sentence …

Excommunicated persons are to be shunned (vitandi) or tolerated (tolerati). A formally published or nominative excommunication occurs when the sentence has been brought to the knowledge of the public by a notification from the judge, indicating by name the person thus punished. No special method is required for this publication; according to the Council of Constance (1414-18), it suffices that “the sentence have been published or made known by the judge in a special and express manner”. Persons thus excommunicated are to be shunned (vitandi), i.e. the faithful must have no intercourse with them either in regard to sacred things or (to a certain extent) profane matters, as we shall see farther on. All other excommunicated persons, even though known, are tolerati, i.e. the law no longer obliges the faithful to abstain from intercourse with them, even in religious matters.

… and, naturally, I accept the Church’s position in this matter.

It is interested to note, that while we are not required to shun (vitandi) them, they are to be tolerated (tolerati). “Tolerated”. Still doesn’t sound like we are to accept them with open arms.
 
Deacon_JAR said:
My dear brother in Christ, may the peace of the Lord be with you and all your loved ones. It is true there area a lot of anti Catholic ideas among some of our brothers and sisters from non-Catholic denominations. These erroneous ideas have been a fruit of “ignorance” that has been propagated for many, many years. Yes, it is our obligation, as it had been for all Roman Catholic who have lived before you and I, to correct what it is not true. We provide them with the facts: scriptures, writings, documents… But ultimately, It is up to them to read them with an open and sincere heart. That is the extend of our role. YOU CAN BRING THE PEOPLE TO THE WELL BUT YOU CANNOT FORCE THEM TO DRINK FROM THE WATER. If they agree with us or not, it is still our Christian obligation, as commanded by our Master in the greatetst commandment of all, TO LOVE THEM AS WE LOVE OURSELVES. Nobody is EXEMPT from this rule. Love atones for sins. God bless.:blessyou:
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I agree with you. We can evangelize with our love, We are told to love one another, to love our enemies and if we can show this love, people will start wondering where it comes from. TELL THEM!!
 
ConnieMelton said:
I agree with you. We can evangelize with our love, We are told to love one another, to love our enemies and if we can show this love, people will start wondering where it comes from. TELL THEM!!
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May the peace of our Lord be with you. I welcome your comments with a humble heart and consider a blessing to find Christians like you who have a deep understanding of our primary call as a believer. One of my Christian heroes, St. Francis of Asisi, said that “when you preach the Gospel use words if necessary.” Mother Theresa went to India, where Hinduism is the primary religion. She went into India like Moses went into Egypt, trusting in the power of the Lord. There she endured persecution and rejection,but at the end, through LOVE, she won the heart and respect of this nation.There is not doubt who was the source of her LOVE. She did not go to convert unbelievers to any specific denomination. She went there to allow them to experience the LOVE OF CHRIST. That was the primary TOOL of her evangelization. It is imperative that all of us, including those involve in apologetics, may be able to bring that understanding into a reality. God bless.:blessyou:
 
Sir_Knight said:
Good question. You tell me. Why does the Church allow for mixed marriages when the infallible Word of God specifically instructs against being joined with unbelievers?
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Sir Knight, may the love of Christ abide in your heart. A mixed marriage is between a Catholic and a “baptized non-Catholic”, in other words, a marriage between a Catholic Christian and a non-Catholic Christian. A “disparity of cult” is a marriage between a Catholic and a “non-baptized” individual. What is your definition of “an unbeliever”? What are you going to do if your arrive at the BANQUET OF THE lORD in heaven and find non-Catholics seating already at the table and sharing with the Lord? Are you going to excommunicate yourself from the banquet or are you going to humble yourself and accept them? By the way, I am a member of the Roman Catholic clergy. God bless. :blessyou:
 
My interpretation is that we are not to associate with unbelievers who might corrupt us and not those whom we might convert.
Paul also mentioned that we should not associate with evildoers and I believe it all has to do with evildoers poisoning other people’s mentality.

Otherwise why would Jesus have sent out the 72 / 12 to the believing/unbelieving towns?

I cannot explain what “too catholic” means but I just understand it;)
 
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