Did Jesus of Bible claim he is God?

[jeg101]

Did Jesus of Bible claimed he is God in any book of Bibles?

Here is a typical answer from a Christian:

What is the arguement? Why is it so important to hear my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, say that He is God? Does not the reaction at His trial prove that He was admitting it? The jews were appalled because they understood Jesus as saying that. Christ quoted from Ps 110 and the prophecy of Daniel (Dan 7:13). Only God can sit at the right hand of the Power. And the jews understood that He was saying exactly that: that HE is God. And since worshipping is for God, then of course we worship Him.

The jews crucified Christ BECAUSE He told them that He is God. But, their arguement to Pontius Pilate was that Christ was a rebel to the Roman Empire. See how they lied?

Matthew 26; 63-65

But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I PUT YOU UNDER OATH BY THE LIVING GOD: TELL US IF YOU ARE THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD!”

Jesus said to him, “IT IS AS YOU SAID, NEVERTHELESS, I SAY TO YOU, HEREAFTER YOU WILL SEE THE SON OF MAN SITTING ATTHE RIGHT HAND OF THE POWER, AND COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.”

Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying:“He has spoken blasphemy? What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!”

Does this “answer” make any sense at all?

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Did Jesus of Bible claimed he is God in any book of Bibles?

Here is a typical answer from a Christian:

Does this “answer” make any sense at all?

It makes sense, certainly - what is not clear, is that it amounts to a claim to be God. It certainly amounts to a claim to be the Son of Man - a figure first mentioned in Daniel 7.​

As to the question in the title - probably not. In the Gospel, His identity is usually presented in a very indirect way. The gospels are not simply accounts of what was said & done by Him; they are interpretations of who He is, & of what He means, in the light of the great fact of His Resurrection. In the first three gospels, He usually hides Who He is; in John, His identity is hidden less often, but it still remains a mystery. This hiddenness is part of His character as the Messiah; it is also a challenge to those who meet Him, to see in Him either Who He is - or, to reject Him. And people judge themselves by the judgements they make about Him, & by how theyr react to Him.

Obviously, this is only the tip of the iceberg - the identity of this man is one of the main themes of the NT, & is illustrated by others. But I hope that helps.

 

[exoflare]

I glanced quickly at the title of this thread, and assumed the OP was a Muslim. Was I correct?

 

[lak611]

Did Jesus of Bible claimed he is God in any book of Bibles?

Yes, He did in this verse:

Joh 10:30

(ASV) I and the Father are one.

(Darby) I and the Father are one.

(DRB) I and the Father are one.

(ESV) I and the Father are one."

(ISV) I and the Father are one."

(KJV-1611) I and my father are one.

(KJV) I and my Father are one.

(LITV) I and the Father are One!

(MKJV) I and the Father are one!

(NAS77) “I and the Father are one.”

(NASB) “I and the Father are one.”

(NET) The Father and I72 are one."73

(NKJV) I and My Father are one."

(RV) I and the Father are one.

(YLT) I and the Father are one.’

 

[Deconi]

Yes. There are many passages where you can see this.

It would be beneficial if you actually read The Bible, for you will see everything for yourself and cannot be accused of ‘listening’ to others.

Some examples are:
“I and The Father are One.”

“Before creation, I AM”

etc, etc, etc

There were things He did and said, that ONLY God can do and say, which is why “some” hated Him and had Him killed.

The ultimate, of course, is that HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, sat and ate with friends and disbelievers.

No other human has managed this.

 

[MH84]

I don’t know the OP intentions here, but I’ll give my own opinion at this stage in my journey of faith.

No, Jesus did not say "I claim to be the Second Person of the Divne Trinity, nor did He say I am God the Son, or he never technically said “I am truly God” or “I am God from God”.

However, the reader of the Gospels is left thinking this no mere prophet or merely a devout Jew who was popular at the time. I have to admit sometimes I feel I want more clarification from the Bible, but I think the mystery of Jesus summarises HIs journey on this earth. His hidden life is mostly a mystery to us, His plan was not fully revealed to the apostles until the resurrection, and He often spoke in parables, especially to those who were putting Him to the test like the Pharisees and Scribes. Truly Jesus walked this earth in a way no modern film director or story teller could have ever imagined.

What I believe Jesus left besides salvation for mankind and atonement for sin is the establishment of Church. He also left clues about Himself throughout His ministry, which are scattered throughout the Gospel, and that only those with faith in him can truly accept.

The Church’s teaching, is dependant firstly on the Holy Spirit, and also the message and teachings that were passed on by those who knew Jesus intimately for three years - the apostles. We need to have faith that their message has been faithfully passed on and that “the gates of hell shall not prevail against (the Church)” Matthew 16:18. I don’t think that God would have let His Church continually be wrong about HIs Son for two thousand years. At the end of the day, you need fatih and you need to pray for it. Give the Church the chance to explain all that she has inherited from God. Don’t search for the truth without God.

Other signs that are left for us in Scripture alone about God are just about countless: but some more to add to those in previous posts:

John 1:1 - 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it…
…14** And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,** (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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John 8:56 - Jesus said: Abraham your father rejoiced that he might see my day: he saw it, and was glad. 57 The Jews therefore said to him: Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am. 59 They took up stones therefore to cast at him. But Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple.

If you recall in Exodus God revealed His “name” to Moses:
Exodus 3:14 - God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, hath sent me to you. 15 And God said again to Moses: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me to you: This is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Without much doubt Jesus called Himself, what God called Himself thousands of years earlier. The Douay Rheims bible says about Exodus 3:14: *14 “I am who am”… That is, I am being itself, eternal, self-existent, independent, infinite; without beginning, end, or change; and the source of all other beings. *

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Before Jesus returned to glory He told the apostles:
Matthew 28:16 - And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And seeing them they adored: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. **19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. **20 **Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world. **

Can anyone besides God really be able to be with us forever, even to the consummation of the world. Chrisitians aer also baptised in the name, not names, of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. For the reader the message is that the 3 persons are one God.

Quotes from www.drbo.org

 

[Ginger2]

Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that **thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
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[Ginger2]

John 14:8-10
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Also, Jews are forbidden to worship anyone but God. Jesus accepted worship.

 

[Peregrino]

I don’t know the OP intentions here, but I’ll give my own opinion at this stage in my journey of faith.

No, Jesus did not say "I claim to be the Second Person of the Divne Trinity, nor did He say I am God the Son, or he never technically said “I am truly God” or “I am God from God”.

However, the reader of the Gospels is left thinking this no mere prophet or merely a devout Jew who was popular at the time. I have to admit sometimes I feel I want more clarification from the Bible, but I think the mystery of Jesus summarises HIs journey on this earth. His hidden life is mostly a mystery to us, His plan was not fully revealed to the apostles until the resurrection, and He often spoke in parables, especially to those who were putting Him to the test like the Pharisees and Scribes. Truly Jesus walked this earth in a way no modern film director or story teller could have ever imagined…

Nice answer. I agree with parts of your answer. I find it interesting that it is only the Gospel of John (the last Gospel written) that specifically equates Jesus with God. Early Christians apparently had the same questions and it took about 60 years after Jesus’ death to see a definitive opinion on the subject. 75% of the Gospels do not give us this clarification. Are the letters of “Paul” so clear? I would have to review them. We often leap to the assumption that the term “Son of God” means divinity. This term was used to mean someone who did God’s will. “Son of God” did not have the requirement of divinity. Contrast this will the use of the phrase “son of Man” and other parts of the Gospels in which Jesus specifically states he is not equivalent (e.g. only God is all good…) and we are left two thousand years later with questions, questions that have only been “answered” by doctrinal requirements of belief.

“the mystery of Jesus summarises His journey on this earth”

Nice phrase!

 

[inJESUS]

Did Jesus of Bible

claimed he is God in any book of Bibles? yes, in all of them.

I will make things easier for you. Suppose that a Muslim man came, gathered hundreds of Muslims and said : i am the rahman, the raheem, maliki yawmiddin.

What will you understand? that this Muslim man is claiming to be Allah.

What determined this conclusion?

1- the words uttered
2- the audiance.

A Muslim man KNOWS how Muslims will interpret his words and when he utters them, it means he is claiming to be God, or he is intentionally blaspheming.

So did Jesus say I AM GOD? no, not using these same words. But He said : I am the Alpha and Omega ( God said this in the OT). He said " i give peace the world cannot give" ( Only God gives peace the world cannot give). He said " i give you wisdom" ( only God gives wisdom" ecc.

=Jesus is God.

What determined this conclusion?

1- The words He uttered
2- The audiance to whom He was speaking.

This is a simple explanation .

If we want to stay on the surface and say that Jesus is not God because He did not say " i am God", then we can as well say that Muhammad is not a prophet because nowhere in the Quran does He say " i am a prophet". This would render any theological discussion as shallow and meaningless.

 

[Peregrino]

If we want to stay on the surface and say that Jesus is not God because He did not say " i am God", then we can as well say that Muhammad is not a prophet because nowhere in the Quran does He say " i am a prophet". This would render any theological discussion as shallow and meaningless.

Is it “staying on the surface” to say that the people who wrote “what Jesus said” decades after he lived (and certainly had the same questions that we do), did not specifically state that Jesus said he was God until the Gospel of John (60-80 years later)?

A theology discussion about the divinity of Jesus is anything but shallow and meaningless…

 

[inJESUS]

Is it “staying on the surface” to say that the people who wrote “what Jesus said” decades after he lived (and certainly had the same questions that we do), did not specifically state that Jesus said he was God until the Gospel of John (60-80 years later)?

1- Jesus did not say He is God (not these words) in John as well.

2- the divinity of Jesus is in all gospels.

A theology discussion about the divinity of Jesus is anything but shallow and meaningless…

 

[po18guy]

Yes. There are many passages where you can see this. It would be beneficial if you actually read The Bible, for you will see everything for yourself and cannot be accused of ‘listening’ to others. Some examples are:
“I and The Father are One.” “Before creation, I AM” etc, etc, etc
There were things He did and said, that ONLY God can do and say, which is why “some” hated Him and had Him killed.
The ultimate, of course, is that HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, sat and ate with friends and disbelievers.
No other human has managed this.

In the Garden of Gethsemane, when the large crowd with swords and clubs (Matthew 26:47, Mark 14:43) or “a detachment of soldiers…carrying torches, lanterns and weapons” (Luke 18:3) arrived with Judas to arrest Jesus, He asked them, “Whom do you seek?” When He answered them, they “turned and fell to the ground”. Why? They were armed and officially charged with their duty. They outnumbered him and the disciples and had more physical strength and presence. Turning is a sign of fear, of self-preservation. Why? Because Christ answered, “I AM” - the very name of God. God answered “I AM who AM” when Moses asked by what name He could be known amongst the Hebrews. Remember, no one could look upon God and live, thus the crowd-powerful and authorized as they were, turned and fell. These passages make no sense until you realize that Jesus answered using God’s name, affirming His assertion, “I and the Father are One”.

Christ’s peace be always with you.

 

[De_Maria]

Did Jesus of Bible claimed he is God in any book of Bibles?

Here is a typical answer from a Christian:

Does this “answer” make any sense at all?

Quite a bit of sense. Lets break down the response:

What is the arguement?

In other words, why are you questioning that Jesus is God. Now I assume that the originator of this thread is Muslim. If we compare Jesus of the Quran to Jesus of the Bible, we see that:

Jesus is sinless in both.
Jesus is the Messiah in both.
Jesus is acknowledged for His miracles in both.
Jesus has no human father in both.

I’m not sure if it is written in the Quran, but I know that Jesus returns on the last day in the Quran.
Of course, Jesus is our Judge on the Last Day in the Bible.

There is no other human being in the Quran or the Bible with this combination of attributes. So, it would seem reasonable taht Muslims would at least suspect that Jesus is God.

Why is it so important to hear my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, say that He is God? Does not the reaction at His trial prove that He was admitting it? The jews were appalled because they understood Jesus as saying that.he is God.

This is true. The Jews killed Jesus because they claimed He blasphemed. Any man who claims to be God blasphemes. Unless He really is God.

Christ quoted from Ps 110 and the prophecy of Daniel (Dan 7:13). Only God can sit at the right hand of the Power. And the jews understood that He was saying exactly that: that HE is God. And since worshipping is for God, then of course we worship Him.

There is an old saying, “Actions speak louder than words.” Jesus came healing the sick, making the lame walk, curing the deaf, the blind and raising the dead, and calming the storm. Can any human do that?

The jews crucified Christ BECAUSE He told them that He is God.

This is true.

But, their arguement to Pontius Pilate was that Christ was a rebel to the Roman Empire. See how they lied?

Matthew 26; 63-65

But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I PUT YOU UNDER OATH BY THE LIVING GOD: TELL US IF YOU ARE THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD!”

Jesus said to him, “IT IS AS YOU SAID, NEVERTHELESS, I SAY TO YOU, HEREAFTER YOU WILL SEE THE SON OF MAN SITTING ATTHE RIGHT HAND OF THE POWER, AND COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.”

Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying:“He has spoken blasphemy? What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!”

So this makes perfect sense.

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

[EB4304]

Short answer: yes.

I just want to point out a couple other things about the “I AM” quote from John 8:58. Have you ever wondered why there is all this scholarly debate surrounding whether God’s name is “Yahweh” or “Jehovah” or what not? It’s because in ancient Hebrew, vowels were omitted from writing - they relied so much on oral tradition that everyone knew the vowel sounds to insert at each word. So, when God revealed His name to Moses, it was the Hebrew for “I Am.” When it was written, it looked like this: YHWH. But the Jews, over time, stopped saying God’s Holy Name in fear of taking it in vain. They would commonly read it with the word Adonai, which means Lord. Eventually, the vowels that were known through oral tradition to go with that word were lost. This is why now, no one really knows exactly what the word YHWH sounds like - the Jews simply stopped uttering it.

Now, imagine you’re a Jew in Palestine. You have never heard that word spoken before. You would never even try to speak it for fear of blasphemy. Now, this young carpenter comes along and, during an exchange with the local religious authorities, declares something unthinkable. Perhaps the people who heard it had to stop for a moment and recognize what was said. For the first time in centuries, that Name was uttered, and uttered correctly. Jesus said “I Am” - he is eternal, necessary Being. He has God’s name because He is God.

This is why, after Jesus says this, the Jews take up stones to kill him; the words that escaped His mouth would have been unimaginable blasphemy if they were not true.

This quote, Jesus saying “I Am” is in fact more direct than if he had said “I am God.” He doesn’t just take our names for God - He doesn’t just assume qualities of God - He takes God’s personally revealed name - his essence - and attributes it to Himself. What more do we need?

 

[patg]

In none of the synoptic gospels does Jesus state that he is God. They either mention someone else stating something like it or are non-answers to that question. For example, in Luke:

*18 *Once when Jesus was praying in solitude, and the disciples were with him, he asked them, “Who do the crowds say that I am?” They said in reply, “John the Baptist; others, Elijah; still others, ‘One of the ancient prophets has arisen.’” Then he said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter said in reply, “The Messiah of God.”

Note that there is no direct statement from Jesus here (only questions) as is true of all the other non-John references.

Then there is John. John is recognized as a late development by a group bordering on gnosticism and with a very highly developed Christology. The Jesus presented in John is a totally different person than the one presented by the earlier (and probably more historical) synoptic gospels. There is very little relationship between the John and the synoptics and there are many words and events that would have been inexcusable to exclude from the earlier writings if they are historically accurate. If the long speeches by Jesus and the ultimate miracles (such as the raising of Lazarus) actually occured, it is a real stretch to think they would have been left out by the others who were writing much earlier.

 

[jnm]

An entire book of the gospel deals with this: the book of John. Christ is often quoted as arguing that the only anyway can know the Father is by knowing Jesus. For they’re both the same and that Christ is only on earth to do his Father’s work. Christ was God walking on the Earth.

 

[mgrfin]

Short answer: yes.

QUOTE]

Jesus, Son of God.

The whole doctrine of the Trinity is summarized in the Athanasian creed. The creed itself is of late date, probably the first half of the fifth century. The Council of Chalcedon (451 AD) proclaims: “Now the Catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in unity.

Then the formula, “the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God; and yet there are not three Gods, but one God” The symbol ends in the uncompromising spirit of St. Athanasius, whose name it bears: “This is the Catholic Faith, which, except a man believe faithfully and steadfastly, he cannot be saved”.

The mystery of the Trinity was not formally revealed in the Old Testament, but according to St. Bonaventure this distinctly Christian doctrine was foreshadowed in the O.T. St. Augustine detects the implications of the divine persons in such utterances on the part of God: “Let us make man to our image and likeness” Gen i, 26. “Behold Adam is become one of us” Gen iii, 22. “Let us go down and confound their tongue” Gen xi, 7.

In the Gospels, all three divine persons are mentioned in an emphatic way on four momentous occasions:
At the Annunciation, the angel Raphael declared to Mary, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thess, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee, and therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” Luke i, 35.
The Baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist at the Jordan: “And Jesus being baptized, forthwith came out of the water, and lo, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him. And behold a voice from heaven saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased”. Luke iii, 16-17.

When our Saviour was taking leave of his disciples after the Last Supper, he said to them: “I will ask the Father and He shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you forever, the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive”. John xiv, 16
The final passage of importance is the well-known passage of St. Matthew’s Gospel in which Christ’s final commission to his Apostles is recorded: “Going, therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” Matt xxviii, 19

peace

 

[George_Waters]

Just out of curiosity does anyone know how many times this topic has been addressed hit-and-run by a new member just like this?

 

[AbeOman]

yes, in all of them.