Did Jesus of Bible claim he is God?

[BibleSteve]

The Baptism of Jesus is more of a testimony to prove that Trinity is a correct orthodox Christian belief.

16 And Jesus being baptized, forthwith came out of the water: and lo, the heavens were opened to him: and he saw the **Spirit of God **descending as a dove, and coming upon him. 17 And behold a voice from heaven, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matthew 3:16-17).

The Holy Spirit is often shown in Scripture was dove. The voice is none other than Jesus’ Father, the 1st Person of the Trinity. I don’t know how you would go about to interpret this, but this passage is just one of the many that proves our God is Trinitarian God.

Dear Manny,

No offense, but this is no proof at all…

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are mentioned together numerous times, but that does not make them one or a “Trinity”. Peter, James, and John are named together, but that does not make them one or a Trinity either.

There is absolutely nothing about this scriptures that says “Trinity” or says anything about them be co-equal, or co-anything…

There is no Trinity being proved here… Trinitarians are simply trying to read into this scripture what is not there…

 

[Mannyfit75]

Dear Manny,

No offense, but this is no proof at all…

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are mentioned together numerous times, but that does not make them one or a “Trinity”. Peter, James, and John are named together, but that does not make them one or a Trinity either.

There is absolutely nothing about this scriptures that says “Trinity” or says anything about them be co-equal, or co-anything…

There is no Trinity being proved here… Trinitarians are simply trying to read into this scripture what is not there…

This is just one of the many. However, let us focus on the divinity of Jesus Christ since the thread does require us to see if he made such claim. I believe and the majority of Christians do. The proper understanding of Jesus Christ is solely on the basis that He is indeed the Second Person of the Trinity.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Dear Manny,

No offense, but this is no proof at all…

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are mentioned together numerous times, but that does not make them one or a “Trinity”. Peter, James, and John are named together, but that does not make them one or a Trinity either.

There is absolutely nothing about this scriptures that says “Trinity” or says anything about them be co-equal, or co-anything…

There is no Trinity being proved here… Trinitarians are simply trying to read into this scripture what is not there…

Trinity can be discussed on another thread.

 

[BibleSteve]

23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God is with us."

We know Jesus is Emmanuel. If you remove Emmanuel and put God is with us, you will see that Jesus is indeed God made flesh.

"Behold a virgin shall be with child and bring forth a son and they shall call his name “God is with us.” This is fullment of Messiah.

Manny,

Please… you’re saying that because the name Emmanuel is used to refer to Jesus, he must be God in the flesh?

Does Matthew 1:23 indicate that Jesus when on earth was God?

Matt. 1:23, RS: “‘Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emman′u-el’ (which means, God with us “God is with us,” NE]).”

In announcing Jesus’ coming birth, did YHWH’s angel say that the child would be God himself? No, the announcement was: “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High.” (Luke 1:32,*35, RS; ) And Jesus himself never claimed to be God but, rather, “the Son of God.” (John 10:36, RS; )

It was not unusual for Hebrew names to include within them the word for God or even an abbreviated form of God’s personal name. For example, Eli′athah means “God Has Come”; and Jehu means “Jehovah Is He”; But none of these names implied that the possessor was himself God.

This is no proof text of a Trinity…

Listen to Jesus when he says he is the “Son of God” and that his Father is the “only true God”…

(John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Manny,

Please… you’re saying that because the name Emmanuel is used to refer to Jesus, he must be God in the flesh?

Yes read John.

Does Matthew 1:23 indicate that Jesus when on earth was God?

Matthew indicate that Jesus is the fullfillment of Issiah’s prophecy concerning the virgin birth of a child. Jesus is literally God’s presence on earth. He was born from a young girl.

Matt. 1:23, RS: “‘Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emman′u-el’ (which means, God with us “God is with us,” NE]).”

In announcing Jesus’ coming birth, did YHWH’s angel say that the child would be God himself? No, the announcement was: “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High.” (Luke 1:32,*35, RS; ) And Jesus himself never claimed to be God but, rather, “the Son of God.” (John 10:36, RS; )

He did. "Before Abraham was I AM. He was also worship by his Apostles and Jesus did not rebute them. If he was not God, he would rebute them.

It was not unusual for Hebrew names to include within them the word for God or even an abbreviated form of God’s personal name. For example, Eli′athah means “God Has Come”; and Jehu means “Jehovah Is He”; But none of these names implied that the possessor was himself God.

I disagree. Jesus is God period. You can’t show me in Scripture where he deny he was God.

This is no proof text of a Trinity…

Listen to Jesus when he says he is the “Son of God” and that his Father is the “only true God”…

(John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

Jesus is God. He said I am the Alpha and the Omega. Paul even said, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The major characteristic of God is that he is unchanging, immutable. What you preach is contrary to Scripture and completely erroneous.

 

[Protestant101]

Dear Manny,

No offense, but this is no proof at all…

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are mentioned together numerous times, but that does not make them one or a “Trinity”. Peter, James, and John are named together, but that does not make them one or a Trinity either.

There is absolutely nothing about this scriptures that says “Trinity” or says anything about them be co-equal, or co-anything…

There is no Trinity being proved here… Trinitarians are simply trying to read into this scripture what is not there…

At Calvary almost everyone rejected Jesus. Only a few
recognized who Jesus really was–among them, the dying thief
who called Him Lord (Luke 23:42), and the Roman soldier who said, “`Truly this Man was the Son of God!’” (Mark 15:39).

When John wrote, “He came unto His own, and His own did
not receive Him” (John 1:11), he was thinking not merely of
the crowd at the cross, or even of Israel, but of every single
generation that has lived. Except for a handful, all
humanity, like that raucous crowd at Calvary, has failed to
recognize in Jesus their God and Saviour.

This failure, humanity’s greatest and most tragic, shows that humanity’s knowledge of God is radically deficient.

 

[mgrfin]

Dear Manny,

No offense, but this is no proof at all…

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are mentioned together numerous times, but that does not make them one or a “Trinity”. Peter, James, and John are named together, but that does not make them one or a Trinity either.

There is absolutely nothing about this scriptures that says “Trinity” or says anything about them be co-equal, or co-anything…

There is no Trinity being proved here… Trinitarians are simply trying to read into this scripture what is not there…

In the Gospels, all three divine persons are mentioned in an emphatic way on four momentous occasions:
At the Annunciation, the angel Raphael declared to Mary, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thess, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee, and therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” Luke i, 35.
The Baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist at the Jordan: “And Jesus being baptized, forthwith came out of the water, and lo, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him. And behold a voice from heaven saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased”. Luke iii, 16-17.

When our Saviour was taking leave of his disciples after the Last Supper, he said to them: “I will ask the Father and He shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you forever, the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive”. John xiv, 16
The final passage of importance is the well-known passage of St. Matthew’s Gospel in which Christ’s final commission to his Apostles is recorded: “Going, therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” Matt xxviii, 19

Maranatha

 

[MH84]

At the Annunciation, the angel Raphael declared to Mary, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thess, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee, and therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” Luke i, 35.

In this passage, I think that, the Holy Spirit is the power of the Most High, not God the Father.

 

[po18guy]

Dear Manny,

No offense, but this is no proof at all…

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are mentioned together numerous times, but that does not make them one or a “Trinity”. Peter, James, and John are named together, but that does not make them one or a Trinity either.

There is absolutely nothing about this scriptures that says “Trinity” or says anything about them be co-equal, or co-anything…

There is no Trinity being proved here… Trinitarians are simply trying to read into this scripture what is not there…

If you require proof, you have no faith. The belief in the trinitarian God was not made up-it was revealed. I hope you are not some sort of conspiracy theorist. To dispute such ‘settled for centuries’ Christian doctrine is to assume yourself superior to ALL who have gone before.

Also, consider that reliance on the bible alone is evidence of the devolution of Christianity. Theological entropy.

 

[mgrfin]

In this passage, I think that, the Holy Spirit is the power of the Most High, not God the Father.

In this passage, I know that the Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity.

peace

 

[Mannyfit75]

If you require proof, you have no faith. The belief in the trinitarian God was not made up-it was revealed. I hope you are not some sort of conspiracy theorist. To dispute such ‘settled for centuries’ Christian doctrine is to assume yourself superior to ALL who have gone before.

Also, consider that reliance on the bible alone is evidence of the devolution of Christianity. Theological entropy.

True.

 

[MH84]

In this passage, I know that the Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity.

peace

???

You need to read the context of my post. You were saying that:

In the Gospels, all three divine persons are mentioned in an emphatic way on four momentous occasions:

At the Annunciation, the angel Raphael declared to Mary, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thess, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee, and therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” Luke i, 35.

And I said that in my opinion when Gabriel said this, he meant the Holy Spirit and “the power of the Most High” to be the same Person.

Btw the Archangel Gabriel appeared to Mary, not Archangel Raphael

 

[inJESUS]

In this passage, I think that, the Holy Spirit is the power of the Most High, not God the Father.

the Holy Spirit is not the Father. It is the Holy Spirit off the Father.

To say that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal power, you are then more of a JW.

The Holy Spirit in Christianity is not “a” power of God. It is God.

 

[MH84]

the Holy Spirit is not the Father. It is the Holy Spirit off the Father.

To say that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal power, you are then more of a JW.

The Holy Spirit in Christianity is not “a” power of God. It is God.

I thought you acrually knew what you were talking about on these threads. maybe I was wrong

Read my posts carefully before you accuse me of being a JW.

 

[inJESUS]

I thought you acrually knew what you were talking about on these threads. maybe I was wrong

i was responding to what you wrote:

In this passage, I think that, **the Holy Spirit **

 

[MH84]

ok.

Btw I did not say the Holy Spirit is not a divine Person. I said that in this passage:

At the Annunciation, the angel Raphael declared to Mary, “The **Holy Ghost **shall come upon thess, and the **power of the Most High **shall overshadow thee, and therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” Luke i, 35.

I **think **that
when St. Luke wrote in the Gospel that Gabriel declared that “the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee”, that “the power of the Most High” is in reference to also to the same Holy Ghost just mentioned in the same sentence.

The reason I brought this all up, is that when mgrfin used this passage as a proof of the Holy Trinity, I replied basically saying that IMO only the Holy Spirit and the Son of God is mentioned in that passage, not the Father.

 

[inJESUS]

The reason I brought this all up, is that when mgrfin used this passage as a proof of the Holy Trinity, I replied basically saying that IMO only the Holy Spirit and the Son of God is mentioned in that passage, not the Father.

the passage talks about the Holy Spirit of the Most High, and Son of the Most High. The Most High is the Father.

 

[Benadam]

No prophet claims to be one,but is testified to by witnesses. why? Answer that and times it by 10. Then you can know why Jesus is subtle in revealing His divinity. If He had come out and said hey look I am God they would have killed Him that much sooner and for those close to Him it was something that had to be discovered in order for Him to be known. Jesus ’ divinity is revealed in many subtle ways because His words described things from a divine perspective.
This is why people flocked around Him.
When He spoke He described reality from a divine perspective , a view from above. No matter what he spoke about it was going to be a Word from the mouth of God because when Jesus described His surroundings He described what it looked like from a reality that is divine. I would be hanging around Him to hear him talk too.

What view of His own meaning is revealed when Jesus say’s that John the Baptist is the greatest man born of woman?

 

[inJESUS]

No prophet claims to be one,but is testified to by witnesses. why? Answer that and times it by 10. Then you can know why Jesus is subtle in revealing His divinity. If He had come out and said hey look I am God they would have killed Him that much sooner and for those close to Him it was something that had to be discovered in order for Him to be known. Jesus ’ divinity is revealed in many subtle ways because His words described things from a divine perspective.

indeed, i always find the argument that Jesus did not say He is God, i find it a very strange argument…it takes time to reveal things for finite human brains, and it needs a proper way.

 

[mgrfin]

the passage talks about the Holy Spirit of the Most High, and Son of the Most High. The Most High is the Father.

No, the Most High is God.

There are not three gods, there are three persons in one God-head.

The Father is God, The Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God. But there are not three gods, but three distinct persons, in one Godhead. (Council of Nicea, 325 ad).

peace