Did Judas Iscariot have free will to not betray Jesus?

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I suppose that makes sense. To put it another way, since God is all knowing about everything that was/is/will be he’s not unlike a time traveler who has seen the future. Knowing as a result what someone, in this case Judas, will do. But not doing anything to effect the outcome.
All analogies have some limitations, and I feel that both the Thomist and Molinist schools require a deep appeciation and contemplation of God’s eternity. And, if I may add, a contemplation of what it means to be ordered according to one’s nature intrinsically (essentially/substantially) versus having such order imposed upon one by an external force (accidentally), a distinction which today isn’t as commonly appreciated as it once was. It’s slightly tangential, but for me, it helps shine light on the idea of what is meant by a free (not coerced by external forces) will.
 
Judas had free will. He didn’t have to betray Jesus.
God is omniscient. God knew/knows that Judas would betray Jesus.
The Scripture described the manner of the betrayal of Jesus because God knew what was going to happen.
Had Judas not betrayed Jesus then Gods Providence would have allowed Jesus to be condemned and die by some other means.
Hi!

…and what to do with all the prophecies that speak to Jesus’ betrayal?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Did Judas Iscariot have free will to not betray Jesus?

Just curious what is the correct understanding of the role that Judas Iscariot played in the betrayal of the Lord Jesus Christ?
Was he bound to betray Jesus because someone had to betray Jesus to fulfill prophecy and Jesus chose Judas Iscariot for that role like he chose John the Baptist for his role, or did Judas have free will to not betray Jesus at any point in time but he chose to betray Jesus anyway?
As I read the story of Jesus’ death and passion on the cross, I wondered about the role of Judas.
It seems that Jesus knew Judas would do what he did, so that made me wonder if Judas had to betray Jesus or whether Jesus just knew ahead of time what decision Judas would make on his own
Hi Tommy,

Your question {I HOPE] is not one an Informed Catholic would ask [not that it’s a “bad” question] WHY

The reformation brought with it a multitude of NEW thinking and understanding based primarily on LOGIC. But there is very much in the bible, by God’s intent that simply cannot be rightly discerned by applied HUMAN logic alone. And you’re question points our several areas that a right [GOD”S] understanding is different than man’s logic.

Isa.55: 8 - 9 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

What is required here is a more complete understanding of the very natures of God, Sin and Divine Justice & how they interrelate.
  1. Let’s look at a few bible passages that I pray help will clarify this for you.
Gen. 1:26-27 “Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

& Jn. 4:23-24 3] But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

The question then looms how does one relate mortal-HUMANITY being created in the VERY Image of our God who is we are told; A SPIRIT?

Tommy, you’re a thinker and that is very good. So ponder carefully the following.

The Universe consist of many BILLIONS of stars, planets and galaxies;** BUT only ONE can be proven to sustain all the life forms we are aware of. PLANET EARTH**

On Planet earth there are many MILLIONS of living things,** BUT only ONE is rational. HUMANITY**

RATIONAL FREEDOM “Immunity from determination by one’s feelings, whether fears or desires, so that the will can decide for itself what the mind (enlightened by faith) judges is the right course of action”

FREE WILL “The power of the will to determine itself and to act of itself, without compulsion from within or coercion from without. It is the faculty of an intelligent being to act or not act, to act this way or another way, and is therefore essentially different from the operations of irrational beings that merely respond to a stimulus and are conditioned by sensory objects” From Father Hardon’s Catholic Dictionary

The odds that this reality were “luck”; coincidence” or accidental [none of which actually exist…. It’s all Divine Providence] are BILLIONS to one; so great as to be illogical.

Take for example the fact that both the Sun and the Moon are in Earth’s Orbit. And BOTH are essential for the sustaining of many of earths life forms.

So in all of Creations BILLIONS of things, only HUMANITY is rational. …. So what is essential to make HUMANTY ALONE “rational?”

To be rational requires a Mind, an Intellect and a Freewill. Each of which like God are immortal and Spiritual realties

I have come to term this Spiritual package that every HUMAN SOUL has attached to it; “OUR OTHER SPIRITUAL SELF.”

If one doubts this then describe for us your FREEWILLS size, color, shape and weight. CAN”T be done but proving the every human soul does not have a FREEWILL is logically impossible. So each HUMAN SOUL has this “Spiritual other self-attached to it, and LIKE OUR GOD they ae immortal and Spiritual realties.

2. SIN: Sin exist as the “God Test” of eternal life [OUR Choice]

Isa.43: 7 “everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made. & [21] the people whom I formed for myself that THEY MIGHT declare my praise” [God’s desire BUT OUR FREEWILL Choice], so we can know these Spiritual Gifts have a purpose. …… Heaven & Hell are OUR freewill choice, each and every time.

3. Divine Justice


Because God can be defined as “ALL GOOD THINGS PERFECTED” we can know that God in an absolute sense has to be both fair and good.

Hence God cannot give to HUMANITY all the attributes that make us like “Him” [in God’s Image], and then NOT permit HUMANITY to use these very Gifts to determine for themselves Eternal hell or Eternal Heaven.

So in an absolute sense God HAD TO permit Judas to choose for himself. ALL the evidence seems to point to Judas choosing Eternal Hell, But ONLY God knows if Judas repented seconds before killing himself.

Tommy, I pray this aids you’re understanding.

GBY,
Patrick
 
Judas’ betrayal wasn’t necessary. If Judas hadn’t said where to find Jesus, they would have found him anyways, then or later.
Jesus did know beforehand that Judas was going to betray him. But God is outside of time, and everything happens simultaneously to God. Jesus being divine knew about Judas’ future actions. God is like someone on a high mountaintop, all of time spread out before Him, visible in the same glance.
However, Jesus isn’t the only one who was aware what was going to happen. The prophets of the Old Testament sometimes knew about the future, and the children of Fatima were told that World War II would happen and in the third “secret” that a pope was going to be shot. They knew these things because God shared His knowledge of the future, who, beyond time, sees all of time at the same eternal moment.
 
Just curious what is the correct understanding of the role that Judas Iscariot played in the betrayal of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Was he bound to betray Jesus because someone had to betray Jesus to fulfill prophecy and Jesus chose Judas Iscariot for that role like he chose John the Baptist for his role, or did Judas have free will to not betray Jesus at any point in time but he chose to betray Jesus anyway?

As I read the story of Jesus’ death and passion on the cross, I wondered about the role of Judas.

It seems that Jesus knew Judas would do what he did, so that made me wonder if Judas **had ** to betray Jesus or whether Jesus just knew ahead of time what decision Judas would make on his own.
What Jesus knows in advance doesn’t mean He forced anyone to do what they did.

**1037 **God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance”:

Since Jesus said few are saved, that suggests, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) and persistence in it to the end, catches most humans who die in opposition to God’s desire for them.
 
Hi!

…and what to do with all the prophecies that speak to Jesus’ betrayal?

Maran atha!

Angel
God knows what will happen. That does not mean God forced it to happen.

Look at it like this. I look out my window and se John and William arguing. John then throws a punch and bloodies William’s nose.
They have a fistfight and William ends up running away.

I saw this happen, but seeing it does not mean I made it happen. Nor does my describing the event later mean I made it happen.

God sees all time; past, present and future are all one to God.
So God sees/did see/will see John and William having a fistfight.
None the less God did not force John to bloody William’s nose.

God knows/knew/will know what Judas did.
God did not force Judas to do it.
Nor does God speaking of the event in Scriptura mean that God made it happen.
 
God knows what will happen. That does not mean God forced it to happen.
The issue here is that God creates men with full knowledge of what they will do in the course of their life on earth. God, who is all-powerful, could conceivably create a person in such a manner that the person would act in a different way, or not create that person and create a different person in their place who would act differently.
 
The issue here is that God creates men with full knowledge of what they will do in the course of their life on earth. God, who is all-powerful, could conceivably create a person in such a manner that the person would act in a different way, or not create that person and create a different person in their place who would act differently.
But that suggests a person is just a robot.
 
The issue here is that God creates men with full knowledge of what they will do in the course of their life on earth. God, who is all-powerful, could conceivably create a person in such a manner that the person would act in a different way, or not create that person and create a different person in their place who would act differently.
But that suggests no free will. A person would just be a robot.
 
Prophecies happen because of events. Events don’t happen because of prophecies.
Hi, James!

…so if Judas or the Virgin Mary for that matter, had changed their minds after what was written several hundred years removed…?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
God knows what will happen. That does not mean God forced it to happen.

Look at it like this. I look out my window and se John and William arguing. John then throws a punch and bloodies William’s nose.
They have a fistfight and William ends up running away.

I saw this happen, but seeing it does not mean I made it happen. Nor does my describing the event later mean I made it happen.

God sees all time; past, present and future are all one to God.
So God sees/did see/will see John and William having a fistfight.
None the less God did not force John to bloody William’s nose.

God knows/knew/will know what Judas did.
God did not force Judas to do it.
Nor does God speaking of the event in Scriptura mean that God made it happen.
Hi!

…I am not suggesting that God forces things to happen; rather, that it is what develops and He accepts because it is according to His Plan–ie: Isaac over Ishmael & Jacob over Esau; why did Jesus prayed for Cephas to return to the Fold and not for Judas to not betray Him?

This of course brings us to the Promise–Ishmael was Abraham’s firstborn; yet, he was not the son of the Promise!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, James!

…so if Judas or the Virgin Mary for that matter, had changed their minds after what was written several hundred years removed…?

Maran atha!

Angel
Mary’s case is a different case entirely,

ANYONE in the Twelve could’ve betrayed Jesus.
 
Mary’s case is a different case entirely,

ANYONE in the Twelve could’ve betrayed Jesus.
Hi, James!

…but that would make Jesus’ Words suspect:
70 Jesus replied, ‘Have I not chosen you, you Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil.’ 71 He meant Judas son of Simon Iscariot, since this was the man, one of the Twelve, who was going to betray him.
(St. John 6:70-71)
Maran atha!

Angel
 
The issue here is that God creates men with full knowledge of what they will do in the course of their life on earth. God, who is all-powerful, could conceivably create a person in such a manner that the person would act in a different way, or not create that person and create a different person in their place who would act differently.
God could do that. God did not do that. It still does not follow that God makes us commit whatever sins we commit.
 
Hi, James!

…so if Judas or the Virgin Mary for that matter, had changed their minds after what was written several hundred years removed…?

Maran atha!

Angel
If a square was really a circle, and every whole had three halves…?

It does not make sense to speak of God’s absolute foreknowledge of our future then ask “but what if God was wrong?”.
 
Thanks to all for helping me to better understand this topic and the verses about Judas betraying Jesus.

One thing I like about the Catholic faith based on what I hear on EWTN is that it is the combination of faith and reason, so I figured this topic would allow for both.

I asked this question because I already had faith in Jesus and His atonement for our sins, so this topic doesn’t diminish my faith in the Lord at all, but I had always felt bad for Judas’ outcome where he killed himself, so I kind of wondered how much of what he did was of his own free will and how much of it was ordained from above where Judas was potentially like the human equivalent of the demon entering the pigs in Matthew 8:28-34.

This may not be the best analogy, but I hope you get the point.
 
If a square was really a circle, and every whole had three halves…?

It does not make sense to speak of God’s absolute foreknowledge of our future then ask “but what if God was wrong?”.
Hi!

…actually some circles are square (boxing ring) and some squares are circles (Madison Square Garden)… and, of course, a whole does have three halves: cut square in the middle (did you noticed another square circle?) (half 1); equal mass (as in weight) (half 2) equal volume (as in measurement) (half 3) 🤓🤓🤓 🍿🍿🍿

…the fact remains; that when God states something it is not up to us to throw in the “what ifs” and surmise that whatever happened and was said that it would happen could actually have taken place differently… as in Judas not being the one to betray Jesus or Jesus not actually needing anyone to betray Him but that the course of God’s Salvific Plan would simply Unfold differently.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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