Did LDS Church contribute to restoration of Salt Lake Cathedral?

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well, i just had the impression people donate like 1 dollar within the catholic church. Kinda like the plates passed around. I’m sure its different with everyone of course, according to their income and disposable income. Its obviously more then that though and very active.

Other churches do a poor job like Lutherans. They only donated $23 million in aid even though there’s 8 million of them.
it was the 7th day who donated the least. 20 times less then the LDS church.
 
falisrm said:
well, i just had the impression people donate like 1 dollar within the catholic church. Kinda like the plates passed around. I’m sure its different with everyone of course, according to their income and disposable income. Its obviously more then that though and very active.
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Okay, fair enough. I’m not currently a member of any church so I guess i can’t help be a typical example of anything for you.
 
falisrm said:
your right, catholic charities are much bigger then i ever saw on paper. So how much do you donate in charity every month? I usually donate $50 a month.
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Personally, I donate 50.00 to God’s Child and 50.00 to the local food cuboard monthly. This is in addition to my monthly church contribution. I also make a substantial yearly donation to Right to Life. Now with that said…what people make as charitable contributions are personal. Catholics generally prefer to keep this information confidential…as it is best to not let your right hand know what you left is doing.
 
most catholic parishes publish the weekly collection amounts in the bulletin. they also publish an annual report showing where all the money went. the diocese also publishes an annual report showing all income and how it was spent.
 
People,people- Remember Matt 6 :1-4. Catholics aren’t required to give to only the church charities and time and effort counts as much as money.Charities for catholics are broad. every Diocese has it’s own fund raising- different religious orders,hospitals, schools- it isn’t one large pile.It’s a lotta of different piles.😃
 
majick275 said:
most catholic parishes publish the weekly collection amounts in the bulletin. they also publish an annual report showing where all the money went. the diocese also publishes an annual report showing all income and how it was spent.
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While that is true, Catholics giving to charity is usually considered separate–at least it is in my diocese. My diocese uses the “Sacrificial Giving” system–that is 5% to the collection (the amounts collected are published in the bulletin and in the annual report) and 5% to charity of choice (with the Bishop’s Annual Appeal and Catholic Charities as well as other individual charities of choice) being recipients.
 
AMDGtoo said:
While that is true, Catholics giving to charity is usually considered separate–at least it is in my diocese. My diocese uses the “Sacrificial Giving” system–that is 5% to the collection (the amounts collected are published in the bulletin and in the annual report) and 5% to charity of choice (with the Bishop’s Annual Appeal and Catholic Charities as well as other individual charities of choice) being recipients.
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right but my point is that you can easily see what “the church” collects and distributes for charity. you make a good point about the fact that it’s only part of catholic charity with each individual able and encouraged to give to charities of their choice as their means permit.

compare and contrast this to the LDS “secret finances” of the church which wants to handle all of it themselves. 10% tithing plus building fund, mission fund, generous fast offering and all volunteer local positions so it’s time as well and where does it go?
no one knows because it isn’t published. we know they bought a mall but where are the hospitals? schools? missionaries who who help communities in need? Mormon missionaries are expected to pay their own way and are mostly trying to gain converts. very few are involved full time in humanitarian efforts. where are the orphanages?
 
Exactly. The Mormon Church is extremely secretive about its finances. The Catholic Church is open about theirs.👍
 
The LDS program is extremely effective. 100% of all donations go the beneficiaries. Although the program is still small, they have 4,000 volunteer humanitarian missionaries who serve all over the world So there is no overhead costs for any of the projects. Most churchs carry 10-15% administration costs where the managers earn $100,000 to $180,000 a year. Thats understandable if you manage a 3 billion aid program but still, even if our program becomes that large, there will still be no overhead costs at all.
 
falisrm said:
Most churchs carry 10-15% administration costs
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But we are telling you that our charitable donations are not necessarily “through the Church”. And some of those many charitable donations to various charitable associations are even direct aid–no overhead. Why insist on comparing what is not comparable?
 
Your joking, right? I have never seen a humanitarian aid program that doesn’t have administration costs because they don’t exist.
 
falisrm said:
The LDS program is extremely effective. 100% of all donations go the beneficiaries. Although the program is still small, they have 4,000 volunteer humanitarian missionaries who serve all over the world So there is no overhead costs for any of the projects. Most churchs carry 10-15% administration costs where the managers earn $100,000 to $180,000 a year. Thats understandable if you manage a 3 billion aid program but still, even if our program becomes that large, there will still be no overhead costs at all.
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I am tempted to repeat your own words but in any case, the LDS church most certainly DOES have overhead costs. you don’t have as high a local cost as there aren’t paid positions there but certainly there are quite a few at the higher levels and many of those are well paid. (not exorbitant but well paid) you canot know how much flows through to to intended recipients because no public information on that exists.

The LDS welfare program is extremely effective at helping LDS members in good standing through temporary difficulties. the LDS church has not demonstrated a whole lot outside of that though. i ask again, where are the hospitals and clinics? orphanages? schools?
 
No, your wrong. There are no paid welfare workers in the humanitarian program. If your talking about the social services program of the church, they hire lawyers or therapists for things like adoption or addiction meetings. Those are paid professionals, but other then that no one gets any financial salary. The whole $250 million PEF fund is run by volunteers, all the way to the highest manager who developed the program is a volunteer.

If you want to talk about effectiveness, i would gladly do that.
 
falisrm said:
No, your wrong. There are no paid welfare workers in the humanitarian program. If your talking about the social services program of the church, they hire lawyers or therapists for things like adoption or addiction meetings. Those are paid professionals, but other then that no one gets any financial salary. The whole $250 million PEF fund is run by volunteers, all the way to the highest manager who developed the program is a volunteer.

If you want to talk about effectiveness, i would gladly do that.
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PEF is not a humanitarian organization. It provides school loans to a “worthy young man or woman”. Not really comparable to any Catholic-run humanitarian organization…all are helped, regardless of religious or any other factor. The only factor is, help is needed. No one has to be “worthy” of that help.

Also, as it is tied very tightly and administered by the LDS Church CES program, it has many paid employees. The fund itself relies entirely on donations (it is an endowment fund).
 
Thats true that PEF is not a humanitarian program, its seperate but is designed just as similary as the rest of the humanitarian program. In other words, its all volunteer based. Not that its a huge thing, it just means that the extra 10-12% goes to benefit the needy. Although that does add up to a lot sometimes. 10% of 3 billion is $300 million per year.
 
majick275 said:
The LDS welfare program is extremely effective at helping LDS members in good standing through temporary difficulties. the LDS church has not demonstrated a whole lot outside of that though. i ask again, where are the hospitals and clinics? orphanages? schools?
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Yes, LDS is very good about helping its own members, but what about helpless, homeless, needy non-Mormons?
 
Thats probably the biggest discussion. I contributed to the CRS program before and its nothing more then a socialist program. We started helping a poor family in the Philippines. So we supplimented their income by 20%. The thing was the father or the family didn’t have to do a single thing to try and become self reliant. He wasn’t encouraged to do anything to support himself or his family like get a second job or develop a skill to get a higher salary. They just wrote to thank us for the extra money. Since when in the world is it a sin to be poor? This is effective at all. Its just like what any socialist country does and give handouts. There’s no progress or development. If everyone was involved in CRS, half the world would be “dependant” on the other half. It was one of the most ineffective things i have ever seen in my life so we stopped.
 
falisrm said:
Thats probably the biggest discussion. I contributed to the CRS program before and its nothing more then a socialist program. We started helping a poor family in the Philippines. So we supplimented their income by 20%. The thing was the father or the family didn’t have to do a single thing to try and be self reliant. He wasn’t encouraged to do anything to support himself or his family like get a second job or develop a skill to get a higher salary. They just wrote to thank us for the extra money. Since when in the world is it a sin to be poor? This is effective at all. Its just like what any socialist country does and give handouts. There’s no progress or development. If everyone was involved in CRS, half the world would be “dependant” on the other half. It was one of the most ineffective things i have ever seen in my life so we stopped.
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falisrm, God never called us to judge people who need help, He just said to help them.

It is the same argument for a homeless beggar on the street, you can say they should get a job, stop drinking, whatever is on your list of what you think they should or could do, but in the end, God never said “give only to those who you think live up to your standards”.

It may be, that what that particular man needed was an extra 20% to get back on his feet. You don’t know. And no, being poor is not crime, not helping the poor is.
 
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