Did Mary commit a sin at the wedding feast of Cana?

[HelenRose]

Cana is not difficult. I happen to find the other difficult but that is me.

I appreciate that this may bother you but I can’t understand why.

I love this beautiful story as much as the one about Cana. I have momentarily lost my children in a mall or in a large store. I have also thought my kids were with my sister when they weren’t. It was not my fault and not my children’s fault. Fear grips the heart like nothing you can image. I look to Mary and I see a mother who can share my own emotions, love, fear and concern.

Here again, is a situation where the words of Jesus can be interpreted as flippant or caring. “Mom, I’m okay. Don’t worry.” Can be said sarcastically or with love.

My guess is that Jesus said these words with care and respect.

 

[styrgwillidar]

My 18 year old kid would NOT be the Son of God and doing HIS FATHER’S Will. That is one of God’s great Mysteries, when you understand it, let me know. God Bless, Memaw

No, your 18 year old kid wouldn’t be— but would his ignoring the schedule he was required to meet be disobedience? Yes.

Jesus wasn’t any less intelligent than your kid. Yes, He is the Son of God but He was also Mary and Joseph’s son and they did the have authority as parents. They did travel in a caravan and obviously expected Jesus to travel back with them.

Jesus was disobedient to Mary and Joseph’s instructions/expectations to travel with the caravan. He was obedient to His Father’s will, that took precedence over obedience to Mary and Joseph.

Sometimes in our lives obedience to earthly authority is in conflict with obedience to heavenly authority, and we are expected to be obedient to Our father in heaven even if it means disobedience to authority(ies) on earth.

When you understand that, let me know. God bless you always as well.

 

[HelenRose]

As a child he no doubt understood who he was but He was just a boy of 12 years old.

Not only that, since He was God, and time has no beginning and end for Him, He as any child on Earth may have just lost track of Earthly time.

I can not understand the problem. It seems to me some people are really stretching to make a problem out of an gift of a beautiful story.

Mary pondered of the meaning of this so I suppose we can also ponder over the meaning of this story. But, please ponder with love and obedience.

 

[vsedriver]

For the original question:

Let me get this straight, Mary sending people to Jesus and telling them to obey Him is sinning?!?!?!

That’s the theory they are going with?

yes! once Jesus told Mary it wasn’t his time. She was supposed to sit quietly and do nothing. She deliberately disobeyed God’s plan by going ahead and telling the servants to do what he tells you.

 

[Memaw]

No, your 18 year old kid wouldn’t be— but would his ignoring the schedule he was required to meet be disobedience? Yes.

Jesus wasn’t any less intelligent than your kid. Yes, He is the Son of God but He was also Mary and Joseph’s son and they did the have authority as parents. They did travel in a caravan and obviously expected Jesus to travel back with them.

Jesus was disobedient to Mary and Joseph’s instructions/expectations to travel with the caravan. He was obedient to His Father’s will, that took precedence over obedience to Mary and Joseph.

Sometimes in our lives obedience to earthly authority is in conflict with obedience to heavenly authority, and we are expected to be obedient to Our father in heaven even if it means disobedience to authority(ies) on earth.

When you understand that, let me know. God bless you always as well.

Jesus can NOT be disobedient! He is GOD! We see the Divine side of Jesus and the human side of Mary and Joseph. Beautiful Mystery. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Memaw]

yes! once Jesus told Mary it wasn’t his time. She was supposed to sit quietly and do nothing. She deliberately disobeyed God’s plan by going ahead and telling the servants to do what he tells you.

I think your missing the most beautiful lesson in the Bible, “DO as HE tells you!,” God Bless, Memaw

 

[aicirt]

yes! once Jesus told Mary it wasn’t his time. She was supposed to sit quietly and do nothing. She deliberately disobeyed God’s plan by going ahead and telling the servants to do what he tells you.

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But she did not tell Him to change the water into wine. As I said previously, I believe she knew He could because of private miracles that MAY have happened in their home. (These are my thoughts). She told the servants to “do what He tells you.” Jesus could easily have gathered some money together and sent them to buy more wine.

 

[Memaw]

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But she did not tell Him to change the water into wine. As I said previously, I believe she knew He could because of private miracles that MAY have happened in their home. (These are my thoughts). She told the servants to “do what He tells you.” Jesus could easily have gathered some money together and sent them to buy more wine.

Mary knew her Son was the SON of GOD from the moment the Angel appeared to her, she didn’t need proof. God Bless, Memaw

 

[aicirt]

Mary knew her Son was the SON of GOD from the moment the Angel appeared to her, she didn’t need proof. God Bless, Memaw

Where did I say Mary needed proof? I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

 

[Memaw]

Where did I say Mary needed proof? I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

You said, " I believe she knew He could because of private miracles that MAY have happened in their home."

I simply responded to that statement. She didn’t need private miracles to know her SON was Divine. God Bless, Memaw

 

[aicirt]

You said, " I believe she knew He could because of private miracles that MAY have happened in their home."

I simply responded to that statement. She didn’t need private miracles to know her SON was Divine. God Bless, Memaw

No, she did not NEED private miracles. My thoughts on Cana have been that she wouldn’t have asked Him if she didn’t know He could and maybe would.

My thoughts are in the privacy of their home, Jesus MAY have performed miracles for Mary and Joseph just because He loved them. Like any child who loves his parents, He would have enjoyed surprising them. For instance, when their own wine was low, maybe Mary suddenly found that the jar was ful and it was of a much better quality than they were use to.

 

[Memaw]

No, she did not NEED private miracles. My thoughts on Cana have been that she wouldn’t have asked Him if she didn’t know He could and maybe would.

My thoughts are in the privacy of their home, Jesus MAY have performed miracles for Mary and Joseph just because He loved them. Like any child who loves his parents, He would have enjoyed surprising them. For instance, when their own wine was low, maybe Mary suddenly found that the jar was ful and it was of a much better quality than they were use to.

She didn’t ask Him to do anything, she simply told Him of the situation and He responded. God Bless, Memaw

 

[aicirt]

She didn’t ask Him to do anything, she simply told Him of the situation and He responded. God Bless, Memaw

There was an implied “ask” when she went to Him. She went to Him and told them they were without wine. She was asking Him to do something to help. And He said what is it to Me. My time has not come.

I don’t think there is anything for us to discuss Memaw. I have a personal opinion that Jesus performed private miracles for His family. I find it strange that if Mary did not know He could turn water into wine, why would she have approached Him?

 

[Gorgias]

My thoughts are in the privacy of their home, Jesus MAY have performed miracles for Mary and Joseph just because He loved them. Like any child who loves his parents, He would have enjoyed surprising them. For instance, when their own wine was low, maybe Mary suddenly found that the jar was ful and it was of a much better quality than they were use to.

Hmm… no, that sounds a lot like magic (“hey, Mom & Dad! Check it out! Poof!”)

In the Scriptures, we see that Jesus performed miracles only for a reason – they were signs of who he was, for those who were to come to belief. Healings were performed in the presence of existing belief, and only because the faith already existed.

Moreover, Jesus doesn’t say “again, Mom? Seriously?!?” – rather, He says that his time had not yet come. If He didn’t want to respond with a miracle at Cana because it was still premature at that time, are we really suggesting He would have had a history of doing so even earlier?

 

[Memaw]

There was an implied “ask” when she went to Him. She went to Him and told them they were without wine. She was asking Him to do something to help. And He said what is it to Me. My time has not come.

I don’t think there is anything for us to discuss Memaw. I have a personal opinion that Jesus performed private miracles for His family. I find it strange that if Mary did not know He could turn water into wine, why would she have approached Him?

Mary knew her Son could do anything, He is God. She knew that from His Conception. She didn’t need proof, (like private miracles.). What we should learn from this is that Mary does have intersession with her Son and we should " Do as HE tells you !!" God Bless, Memaw

 

[aicirt]

Hmm… no, that sounds a lot like magic (“hey, Mom & Dad! Check it out! Poof!”)

In the Scriptures, we see that Jesus performed miracles only for a reason – they were signs of who he was, for those who were to come to belief. Healings were performed in the presence of existing belief, and only because the faith already existed.

Moreover, Jesus doesn’t say “again, Mom? Seriously?!?” – rather, He says that his time had not yet come. If He didn’t want to respond with a miracle at Cana because it was still premature at that time, are we really suggesting He would have had a history of doing so even earlier?

No miracle that Jesus performed was magic. We know nothing of His early years. Mary already knew He was the Son of God both from the teachings of her faith and the appearance of Gabriel. Same with Joseph. And Elizabeth knew from the leap of her son, John, in her womb. I just think that Jesus MAY have performed PRIVATE miracles for the Holy Family that were totally for them and not for us to know. And I don’t see anything wrong with that. The faith of the Holy Family certainly already existed.

 

[Gorgias]

No miracle that Jesus performed was magic. We know nothing of His early years. Mary already knew He was the Son of God both from the teachings of her faith and the appearance of Gabriel.

Right – in fact, Mary & Joseph knew more than anyone else did. Therefore, there was no need for a miracle for her and Joseph. Keep in mind: Jesus didn’t perform miracles in order to wow a crowd or please a person – it was always with some purpose in mind, related to His ministry. So, to say that Jesus performed ‘home miracles’ as a boy seems inappropriate to me.

I just think that Jesus MAY have performed PRIVATE miracles for the Holy Family that were totally for them and not for us to know. And I don’t see anything wrong with that.

Just that it would imply that Jesus did things that were unrelated to His ministry and were ‘special privileges’ for His family? Yeah… that doesn’t square with the picture that the Gospels paints of Him.

 

[Memaw]

No miracle that Jesus performed was magic. We know nothing of His early years. Mary already knew He was the Son of God both from the teachings of her faith and the appearance of Gabriel. Same with Joseph. And Elizabeth knew from the leap of her son, John, in her womb. I just think that Jesus MAY have performed PRIVATE miracles for the Holy Family that were totally for them and not for us to know. And I don’t see anything wrong with that. The faith of the Holy Family certainly already existed.

Your right, that early part of Jesus’ life is NOT for us to know. God doesn’t give us every detail. We trust in Him and learn from everything HE does tell us,. God Bless, Memaw

 

[aicirt]

Right – in fact, Mary & Joseph knew more than anyone else did. Therefore, there was no need for a miracle for her and Joseph. Keep in mind: Jesus didn’t perform miracles in order to wow a crowd or please a person – it was always with some purpose in mind, related to His ministry. So, to say that Jesus performed ‘home miracles’ as a boy seems inappropriate to me.

Just that it would imply that Jesus did things that were unrelated to His ministry and were ‘special privileges’ for His family? Yeah… that doesn’t square with the picture that the Gospels paints of Him.

Do you ever just ponder on what Jesus must have been like as a child? Do you imagine what living with God must have been like for Mary and Joseph?

Mary and Jesus are at a wedding. She observes that the couple have run out of wine and it will be embarassing for them. Mary goes to Jesus. She doesn’t say let’s pool some money together and go buy extra wine. He would never have responded to her in the way He did. In my mind, she had to have known something from previous experience. And He responded to that reference by telling her His time had not yet come. Those are my thoughts and I don’t see anything wrong with the obeservation.

 

[Memaw]

Do you ever just ponder on what Jesus must have been like as a child? Do you imagine what living with God must have been like for Mary and Joseph?

Mary and Jesus are at a wedding. She observes that the couple have run out of wine and it will be embarassing for them. Mary goes to Jesus. She doesn’t say let’s pool some money together and go buy extra wine. He would never have responded to her in the way He did. In my mind, she had to have known something from previous experience. And He responded to that reference by telling her His time had not yet come. Those are my thoughts and I don’t see anything wrong with the obeservation.

Yes I do, especially when I say the Rosary. BUT I do not make up stuff. I doubt very much that Jesus played games with HIS Divinity and I don’t believe Mary or Joseph would have expected Him to. They BOTH knew HE was the Son of God from the Beginning. Joseph, before he took Mary, his wife, into his home, when the Angel appeared to him in a dream. Their early life together is a great Mystery and known only to them. At the wedding feast, Jesus responded to her intersession. Letting us know she is our intercessor too. Pondering on that will keep us busy for a loooong time. God Bless, Memaw