Did Mary make an offering for sin?

[MaryJohnZ]

Mary did sin The word says all have all have sinned, Mary was a vessel to bring the saviour in the world. Because she was a virgin,the bible never said anything about her sinless. You catholics are going to believe anything that Pope says anyway oh and by the way Paul preached to Gentiles(the gospel) , not Peter. Be a berean and study to show yourself approve.

Regards

I looked up the concept of sacrifice in the Hebrew encyclopedia on the internet and they had an interesting discussion of it. The artisle said that the concept of the sacrifice had other purposes and that the idea of purification from sin was only one reason, not the sole reason in sacrifice. Today the Jewish people do not offer animal sacrifices because they were only to be offered in jerusalem in the temple but sin forgiveness came through other means as well: prayer, good deeds, fasting.

( of course Jesus fasted as well and we don’t say He sinned)

One of the primary reasons for offering sacrifice was to draw nearer to God.

Here is a quote from the enycolpedia:
"Contrary to popular belief, the purpose of qorbanot is not simply to obtain forgiveness from sin. Although many qorbanot have the effect of expiating sins, there are many other purposes for bringing qorbanot, and the expiatory effect is often incidental, and is subject to significant limitations.

The purposes of qorbanot are much the same as "]the purposes of prayer: we bring qorbanot to praise G-d, to become closer to Him, to express thanks to G-d, love or gratitude. ]We bring qorbanot to celebrate holidays and festivals. Others are used to cleanse a person of ritual impurity (which does not necessarily have anything to do with sin
MaryJohnZ

 

[MaryJohnZ]

Jesus was also received circumcision as an infant and this was an act of both consecration and purification yet it does not mean that He sinned:
quote is from “Jewish Encyclopedia” which is online…
"This shows how deeply rooted in the minds of the ancient Hebrews was the idea that circumcision was an indispensable act of national consecration and purification. "

I believe Mary offers Her Son and that His death was offered up
many times on the altar of her Immaculate Heart even before Christ died on Calvary. I believed that she offered her own life as well. I believe these two represent the two ways of martyrdom: The Red Way ( Christ, who died a physical martrydom) and the “White Way” ( Mary’s spiritual, mental, emotional martrydom)

I was reading that “blood” represented the “soul” in the Jewish tradition and that the blood on the door post represented that
an offering of life had been given already so the Angel of Death passed over the house. Mary’s own blood was given as a sacrifice
when Christ was conceived. In fact you could say it was with the body and blood that Christ received from His human parent, Mary,
that made it possible for Christ to suffer and die and win our redemption. This suffering caused Mary great sorrow, especially since she knew her gift allowed the suffering. Yes, I believe Mary made a great offering for sin and we are all indebted to her.

I also have heard some reflect upon the fact that when we receive the Eucharist and we receive the “Body and Blood” of Christ we are in a certain sense receiving part of Mary, the part Christ received through her when she became His Mother.

God Bless, maryjohnZ

 

[MaryJohnZ]

By his sufferings shall my servant justify many, taking their faults on himself. Hence I will grant whole hordes for his tribute, he shall divide the spoil with the mighty, for surrendering himself to death and letting himself be taken for a sinner, while he was bearing the faults of many and praying all the time for sinners.

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When Mary bowed her head and said "I am the servant of the Lord, let it be done unto me according to thy word. " she was answering in the positive to the angels request with the realization that her pregnancy would give the appearance that she had sinned and open her up to the possibility od a death sentence by stoning for the sin of adultery. In doing so she accepted the servants role from the “Servant Songs” in Isaiah ( above quote). We know the above quote from Isaih refers to Christ who became sin for us and redeemed us with His death, but you can apply this quote to Mary as well.

I believe she was never afraid to appear as a sinner to others for the sake of her Love of God and that she accepted the ridicules and insults of impurity that followed her through her life. I believe that Jesus saw how much His pure and Holy Mother remained silent and did not defend her own honor before men. I also believe that anyone who still throws insults at Jesus’ mother, without considering how they are not insulting Christ when they do so, will be punished for doing that. I think the time has just come to say “stop it”. If you really believe in Christ then fully believe in Him, believe in the holiness of the “house” He came from…believe in the “work of the Holy Spirit” in Mary, stop disbelieving, become a believer…

God Bless, maryJohnZ

 

[DeAguaDulce]

So then you say that God was present in the womb of a sinful woman?

BTW–I think we’ve all had enough of your pope bashing.

I know that this is an old thread, but would like to add my two cents to anyone who will read it.

Firstly, to Mickey: You state implicitly that God would not inhabit sinful flesh, yet you forget that the Spirit of God indwells all believers. By your reasoning He would do no such thing because we are sinful. Yet God so identified with our weakness and our plight that in His mercy He took on human flesh, so that He might fulfill the righteous requirements of the Law, thereby rescuing humanity from eternal damnation. According to your reasoning God would not have done this, because of of the “ickyness” of human sin. This is nowhere evident in Scripture.

Secondly, while the belief in the Immaculate Conception is very old, it was not extended to the entire Latin Church until Dec 8, 1476. Sixtus IV, the pope who did this, himself saw no reason to make it dogma, so it was not binding as a belief upon Catholics. One could reject it and not be considered a heretic in the Church. This continued to Dec 8, 1854 when Pius IX solemnly defined it as dogma. My question is, “How could I be a faithful member of the Church one day and then potentially excommunicated the next for not believing something that I was raised to believe was not binding on my soul?” It was the discovery of this fact that ultimately led to my rejecting the authority of the Pope and my subsequent leaving of the RCC.

Lastly, I see no reason to entrust my immortal soul to the Magesterium given that they are mere men, some of whom throughout the ages bought and sold their position in the Church. You will never convince me that anything proclaimed by Alexander VI (born Roderiggo Borgia), for example, a murderer who gained the Papacy by the sin of Simony, is binding on my soul just because he bought the throne of Peter. God is not like that. Period.

God bless,

DeAguaDulce

 

[Pug]

DeAguaDulce,

Welcome to CAF!

Your last two paragraphs will get more attention if each are posted on their own new thread. Also, if you find that the moderators close this thread, don’t decide that they are going to close down anything you say. If they notice, they tend to close very old threads that come to life, since most of the original posters will not be around. Some of us are. This thread is from 1995, though.