Did Peter create the Catholic Church?

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Wannano said:
It is with great interest that I read what he wrote here for in my mind it does not indicate the Catholic Church at all…but rather others like evangelical groups like Anabaptists, Baptists, Pentecostals etc. that even Catholics ridicule. Not to mention the cults like Jehovahs Witness, SDA and Mormons.
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So, I guess I would question, when do you hear that these groups are a threat to the world, when the world is pushing it’s agenda? Where is the moral voice that is constantly critiqued and challenged. Just listen in politics and entertainment, the biggest challenge for the world is the Catholic church and it’s long standing Tradition of morals.

I agree that there is quarrelling between Catholics and protestants and many Catholics have deserted the morals of the Church, but you will rarely hear, if at all, a politician pushing an unBiblical agenda, say those Jehovah Witnesses or those Amish are against us.

The world right now is doing it’s best to get the Catholic church to follow it, because the Catholic church is not of this world but of Christ.
 
What I meant is that the article (for me) did not point to identifications of the CC.

Within the movie industry it has always intrigued me that the CC is presented as a fashionable religion for gangsters and the world but when they want to make Christianity look silly they make Baptist types look silly.
 
Wannano said:
What I meant is that the article (for me) did not point to identifications of the CC.
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Understand, though it is the Catholic church Archbishop Fulton Sheen was referring to and describing. The Catholic church has always been the moral voice in the world and because of Sacred Tradition and Holy Scripture combined, it still is. The world is just doing it’s best to quiet the Catholic church over the last several decades.
Wannano said:
Within the movie industry it has always intrigued me that the CC is presented as a fashionable religion for gangsters and the world but when they want to make Christianity look silly they make Baptist types look silly.
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I agree. Also, I think that the entertainment industry has always tried to make Christianity look silly in all denominations, and then as you say many times they try to make the Catholic church look like it is just a bunch of thugs that attend, which is also an attack on Christianity.
Though when you also watch in the movie industry, it is usually the Catholic church that is portrayed as the place to go for moral advice, forgiveness in the confessional, exorcisms…albeit they usually give their own version of what they want the Church to say but I believe they recognize the power there.
 
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Wannano said:
Within the movie industry it has always intrigued me that the CC is presented as a fashionable religion for gangsters and the world but when they want to make Christianity look silly they make Baptist types look silly.
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Yes, the media often shows Catholics who don’t actually follow Church teaching. But that’s a bit different.
If you’re conservative or traditional enough so as to go against the cultural fads, then they’ll quite possibly make fun of your group, religious or not.
 
Thanks. This might sound like a really dumb question but it is a lingering question I have. The New Testament Church was exhorted to rid themselves of those members who did not uphold the teaching of the Church. I constantly read of how the CC’s history and present day practice is rife with those who do not uphold the Church’s teaching. What happened?
 
Wannano said:
The New Testament Church was exhorted to rid themselves of those members who did not uphold the teaching of the Church. I constantly read of how the CC’s history and present day practice is rife with those who do not uphold the Church’s teaching. What happened?
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What passages in the New Testament do you exactly have in mind, outside of exhortations against heretics and advice to not associate with bad examples?
But we do have recourse to “be rid” of certain public sinners or theological writers in error, as in certain censures or excommunication, denying Communion, etc., though these are callings for their repentance.

Private sinners like mafiosos (you wouldn’t know he was one unless he was open about it), is kinda difficult to know that they are doing such, unless they are public about it.
 
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With that question you may get a lot of different answers but the way I understand it, is the Church has the authority to excommunicate or discipline, it is just a matter of whether a church leader chooses to use that authority. Today it is such a different world with so much publicity, that we all face, coupled along with society pressures, many Christians, Catholic and non Catholic are either silent or follow society. Sad but true. The Church, itself, though, remains protected.
 
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I understand everything but the last sentence. I think it comes from having a different perspective of what the “church” is.
 
Wannano said:
I understand everything but the last sentence. I think it comes from having a different perspective of what the “church” is.
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It kind of goes back to the original question. Did Peter create the Catholic church, which Peter did not but Christ created it and made Peter the rock, or the foundation, of the Church Jesus was creating. Christ also promised Peter that the gates of hell would not prevail against it, so no matter what evil does to attack the Catholic church it will always stand, protected by Christ…

Unfortunately some of the evil is from within and some of the evil is from without. Those within many times succomb to the pressures from without.
 
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I have trouble understanding how “will not prevail” means “will never err.” Prevail to me seems to connotate a victorious end not necessarily perfection along the way.
 
Wannano said:
I have trouble understanding how “will not prevail” means “will never err.” Prevail to me seems to connotate a victorious end not necessarily perfection along the way.
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Right, it does mean it will have a victorious end. Evil did not prevail over Jesus at His death and so it will not prevail over the Church in the end either. Jesus also was victorious throughout His life over evil and the Church, because of Christ and His love and what has been given to the Church by Divine Revelation, will not be conquered through out it’s time here either.

Even though there will be attacks against the Church that may lead it’s people astray for a time, Christ will always perfectly lead the Church and keep it moving in the right direction. If God’s people try to move the Church in the wrong direction, due to sin or lack of understanding or worldly pressures, He will correct it, keeping it perfectly moving through time.
 
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Thus proving the error of parsing the written word for oneself. I suppose that this could be applied to the hate-filled Westboro Baptist Church - your call there. After all, they fall under the “Protestant” umbrella.

But, and this is crucial - it applies only to one Church, one faith, one religion in all of human history. Let us not deceive ourselves, or be seduced by flirtatious aberrations or European flights of fancy.

Our Lord founded but one Church.
 
No need to be snarky…the first 6 words are" if I were not a Catholic "
 
po18guy said:
All man-made organizations have come and gone, destroyed for various reasons and by various means. The Catholic Church is the oldest organization on plant earth.
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Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism have been around a lot longer than Roman Catholicism.
 
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