Did Russians interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections and is such interference acceptable?

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LeafByNiggle said:
Check the history of Hillary’s positions and relations with the Russians. That counts for much more than your simplistic analysis based on classifications.
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Russians = communists
Hillary = communist
Democrats = communists

Refute the democratic positions and how they are not in agreement with communism.
 
Well, I guess we should start hearing Democrats call for investigations into Podesta’s dealings with Russia and Putin, right?
 
lynnvinc said:
Do you see how far-fetched it is that the Russians would have actually thrown the election to Trump – it would mean that they had influenced over 78,000 voters to either change their vote to Trump, get out and vote for Trump, or stay home and not vote for Hillary in those 3 close states.
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Yes but who’s to say they didn’t also try to influence voters in FL or even in the states Hillary did win?

And who’s to say they didn’t try to interfere in the primaries as well?
 
ProVobis said:
Yes but who’s to say they didn’t also try to influence voters in FL or even in the states Hillary did win?

And who’s to say they didn’t try to interfere in the primaries as well?
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At this point, the presence of speculation and supposition in place of actual evidence and facts is to say, it appears.

The media is so transparent. They push the narrative of Russian interference in swaying the election, despite a lack of compelling (to this point) evidence to support it, while giving scant coverage to the growing story about intelligence unmasking of private citizens collected in “incidental sweeps” by the highest levels of our own government, despite mounting evidence that would lead good reporters in hot pursuit ala Watergate. No agenda at all.
 
ProVobis said:
Yes but who’s to say they didn’t also try to influence voters in FL or even in the states Hillary did win?

And who’s to say they didn’t try to interfere in the primaries as well?
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And who’s to say that mustache-twirling men named Boris wearing black fedoras and trenchcoats weren’t hiding in the ballot boxes, changing every vote? Or that they didn’t use satellite-based mind-control rays? :rolleyes:

Let’s start with this: Exactly what did Russia do that counts as “interference”?
 
Why not believe Russian involvement the evidence is all there as Reagan would say?

No question Russia meddled in election, US ambassador says:eek:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said there’s no question Russia was involved in the U.S. presidential election and that the actions of the Kremlin will be addressed after the investigations are completed.

‘‘We don’t want any country involved in our elections, ever,’’ Nikki Haley said in an interview aired Sunday on ABC’s ‘‘This Week.’’

Russian President Vladimir Putin has denied his country meddled in the contest between Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton. While the Trump White House rejects any suggestion that Trump or his staff had connections to Russia, Trump himself has said he believes Russian operatives hacked Democratic Party emails but that any Russian involvement in the election didn’t affect the outcome.

U.S. intelligence agencies report that Russia tried to help Trump’s campaign effort…
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Blackwater founder held secret Seychelles meeting to establish Trump-Putin back channe**l:eek:

**The United Arab Emirates arranged a secret meeting in January between Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a Russian close to President Vladi*mir Putin as part of an apparent effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and President-elect Donald Trump, according to U.S., European and Arab officials.
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The meeting took place around Jan. 11 — nine days before Trump’s inauguration — in the Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean, officials said. Though the full agenda remains unclear, the UAE agreed to broker the meeting in part to explore whether Russia could be persuaded to curtail its relationship with Iran, including in Syria, a Trump administration objective that would be likely to require major concessions to Moscow on U.S. sanctions…

Stop listiening to right wing shrills!
 
Blackwater founder held secret Seychelles meeting to establish Trump-Putin back channel
The United Arab Emirates arranged a secret meeting in January between Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a Russian close to President Vladi*mir Putin as part of an apparent effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and President-elect Donald Trump, according to U.S., European and Arab officials.
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The meeting took place around Jan. 11 — nine days before Trump’s inauguration — in the Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean, officials said. Though the full agenda remains unclear, the UAE agreed to broker the meeting in part to explore whether Russia could be persuaded to curtail its relationship with Iran, including in Syria, a Trump administration objective that would be likely to require major concessions to Moscow on U.S. sanctions.
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Though Prince had no formal role with the Trump campaign or transition team, he presented himself as an unofficial envoy for Trump to high-ranking Emiratis involved in setting up his meeting with the Putin confidant, according to the officials, who did not identify the Russian.
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Edit: oops, beaten
 
Abynissa said:
Why not believe Russian involvement the evidence is all there as Reagan would say?

No question Russia meddled in election, US ambassador says:eek:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said there’s no question Russia was involved in the U.S. presidential election and that the actions of the Kremlin will be addressed after the investigations are completed.

‘‘We don’t want any country involved in our elections, ever,’’ Nikki Haley said in an interview aired Sunday on ABC’s ‘‘This Week.’’

Russian President Vladimir Putin has denied his country meddled in the contest between Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton. While the Trump White House rejects any suggestion that Trump or his staff had connections to Russia, Trump himself has said he believes Russian operatives hacked Democratic Party emails but that any Russian involvement in the election didn’t affect the outcome.

U.S. intelligence agencies report that Russia tried to help Trump’s campaign effort…
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Blackwater founder held secret Seychelles meeting to establish Trump-Putin back channe**l:eek:

**The United Arab Emirates arranged a secret meeting in January between Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a Russian close to President Vladi*mir Putin as part of an apparent effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and President-elect Donald Trump, according to U.S., European and Arab officials.
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The meeting took place around Jan. 11 — nine days before Trump’s inauguration — in the Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean, officials said. Though the full agenda remains unclear, the UAE agreed to broker the meeting in part to explore whether Russia could be persuaded to curtail its relationship with Iran, including in Syria, a Trump administration objective that would be likely to require major concessions to Moscow on U.S. sanctions…

Stop listiening to right wing shrills!
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This sounds an awful,lot like Prince, a private citizen, interfering in diplomacy… with a whole lot less reason than Flynn had.
 
Monkey1976 said:
And who’s to say that mustache-twirling men named Boris wearing black fedoras and trenchcoats weren’t hiding in the ballot boxes, changing every vote? Or that they didn’t use satellite-based mind-control rays? :rolleyes:
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They did not use satellite-based mind-control rays because the Clinton supporters apparently all wore their tinfoil headgear.
 
Ridgerunner said:
What, specifically, was the disinformation that the Russians targeted voters with?
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You can see their testimonies. They apparently targeted Trump himself at opportune times when he was online, and he then “amplified” the fake news messages. It’s all there for the public to see. I don’t have time to dig it up, but I’ve provided links to the House and Senate hearings.
 
Ridgerunner said:
What, specifically, was the disinformation that the Russians targeted voters with?
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Yeah, I have been trying to get that info. What spectacular commercial did they run? What script turned liberal democrats into Trump supporters? How in the world did Russia, umm, influence the election?
 
lynnvinc said:
You can see their testimonies. They apparently targeted Trump himself at opportune times when he was online, and he then “amplified” the fake news messages. It’s all there for the public to see. I don’t have time to dig it up, but I’ve provided links to the House and Senate hearings.
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So you’re saying they sent Trump fake news and he passed it on and this caused Hillary to lose?
 
Oh Look,
**A Former Trump Adviser Met With A Russian Spy **
**Carter Page told BuzzFeed News that he had been in contact with at least one Russian spy working undercover out of Moscow’s UN office in 2013. **

NEW YORK — A former campaign adviser for Donald Trump met with and passed documents to a Russian intelligence operative in New York City in 2013.
**:eek:

The adviser, Carter Page, met with a Russian intelligence operative named Victor Podobnyy, who was later charged by the US government alongside two others for acting as unregistered agents of a foreign government. The charges, filed in January 2015, came after federal investigators busted a Russian spy ring that was seeking information on US sanctions as well as efforts to develop alternative energy. Page is an energy consultant…**

This will become clearer when information comes out with regards to Page, Rosneft, Putin, Tillerson, Cayman Islands, 19.5% share, sanctions, Cyprus, Manafort, holding companies, Alpha Bank…
 
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