Did Russians interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections and is such interference acceptable?

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J_Peterson said:
Did charity provide health insurance for folks prior to the ACA?
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Are you trying to say we are uncharitable if health insurance is not provided for? Where is this low opinion of Catholic Charities coming from? You do know the Catholic Church is the largest Charity organization on Earth, right?
 
J_Peterson said:
Did charity provide health insurance for folks prior to the ACA?
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Please be very careful to understand the difference between health **CARE … VERSUS insurance.

Health care is the actual medical care. Healing the sick.

Insurance is merely ONE of the money resources used to pay for the care. When you have insurance, all you have is a piece of paper, that may or may not be worthless … depending on what is written on that piece of paper.
 
Michael68 said:
Are you trying to say we are uncharitable if health insurance is not provided for? Where is this low opinion of Catholic Charities coming from? You do know the Catholic Church is the largest Charity organization on Earth, right?
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My point is that subsidiarity doesn’t dictate that the larger organization not touch anything. There are things that are best handled by the federal government. I don’t think I’d get much argument if I said that national defense is best handled at the federal level with no violation of subsidiarity, same for boarder control and enforcement.

Since charity wasn’t able to handle health insurance for all prior to the ACA, why should we believe that it will be able to handle it if it’s repealed. In a similar vein, the fact that the ACS didn’t provide for all either doesn’t mean it should be scrapped altogether, it can be fixed. It simply doesn’t make sense to point to subsidiarity as justification to get the federal government out of health care.

Now tell me how Catholic Charities can provide health insurance?
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Please be very careful to understand the difference between health **CARE … VERSUS insurance.

Health care is the actual medical care. Healing the sick.

Insurance is merely ONE of the money resources used to pay for the care. When you have insurance, all you have is a piece of paper, that may or may not be worthless … depending on what is written on that piece of paper.
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How doesn’t your distinction help a cancer patient who is facing foreclosure due to medical bills. If you can’t pay for it there is no care, that is the problem they are trying to solve. We are talking about the same thing.
 
J_Peterson said:
My point is that subsidiarity doesn’t dictate that the larger organization not touch anything. There are things that are best handled by the federal government. I don’t think I’d get much argument if I said that national defense is best handled at the federal level with no violation of subsidiarity, same for boarder control and enforcement.

Since charity wasn’t able to handle health insurance for all prior to the ACA, why should we believe that it will be able to handle it if it’s repealed. In a similar vein, the fact that the ACS didn’t provide for all either doesn’t mean it should be scrapped altogether, it can be fixed. It simply doesn’t make sense to point to subsidiarity as justification to get the federal government out of health care.

Now tell me how Catholic Charities can provide health insurance?
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You’re mixed up on healthcare and health insurance. We have been brainwashed as society into this insurance system rip off
 
With all we have learned from Susan Rice and Evelyn Farkas, this thread should be renamed to “Did Democrats Interfere In The 2016 US Elections?”.
 
Does anyone else find it interesting that Hillary didn’t blame Russia for her loss?
 
J_Peterson said:
How doesn’t your distinction help a cancer patient who is facing foreclosure due to medical bills. If you can’t pay for it there is no care, that is the problem they are trying to solve. We are talking about the same thing.
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Nonsense.

You get the care.

AND THEN you get a bill.

Under ObamaCare, you can’t afford the deductible.
 
IC is in agreement Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. elections, deal with it! Arrests are being made all over the world rounding up Russian hackers

Spain arrests alleged Russian cybercriminal over creating virus that helped Trump to win elections

The USA requested the extradition of Pyotr Levashov, suspected of creating a computer virus that helped Donald Trump to win the presidential elections.

St Petersburg resident Pyotr Levashov was arrested in Barcelona. He went there on vacation with his wife, according to the Kommersant Newspaper.

The Spanish police burst into their rented apartment in the middle of the night, arrested her husband, and confiscated all their electronic devices, according to Maria Levashova.

“I asked for an order or some other paperwork but they told me they showed them to my husband. I spoke to my husband on the phone when he was taken to police station. He told me he was shown some document in Spanish with a low-res photo of him. They said something about a virus that my husband had allegedly created and that it has something to do with Trump winning the presidential elections,” Levashova said.

The Barcelona and Madrid City Courts held a joint hearing via Skype and arrested her husband, according to Levashova. The Russian Consulate in Madrid told her Levashov is not the only one in such a situation. A Consulate representative is going to visit Levashov on Monday.

Maria Levashova asked human rights advocate and Vice President of the Russian arm of the International Human Rights Defence Committee Aleksandr Ionov for help, as pointed out by lenta.ru. Ionov defended Stanislav Lisov, another Russian programmer arrested in Spain on January 13. The USA suspects Lisov of developing the NeverQuest Trojan used to steal bank data. On March 14, the USA requested Spain to extradite him.
 
lol, Now a virus helped Trump win! Its something new every week! Meanwhile, Hillary blames the voters! lol
 
Ridgerunner said:
I don’t imagine it did very much. Charities don’t buy insurance, they pay for, or provide, care.

But Obamacare doesn’t provide insurance either, for some 30 million Americans. The largest segment of insurance is provided, not by Obamacare, but by employers; something Obamacare has made more difficult and more costly.
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The irony of course would be that companies would no longer be REQUIRED to provide insurance for their employees, once Obamacare is repealed.

Furthermore, I believe Obamacare limits the amount of administrative costs associated with premiums. The employment of actuaries, underwriters, and commissioned agents would if anything increase these costs.
 
Abynissa said:
IC is in agreement Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. elections, deal with it! Arrests are being made all over the world rounding up Russian hackers

Spain arrests alleged Russian cybercriminal over creating virus that helped Trump to win elections

The USA requested the extradition of Pyotr Levashov, suspected of creating a computer virus that helped Donald Trump to win the presidential elections.

St Petersburg resident Pyotr Levashov was arrested in Barcelona. He went there on vacation with his wife, according to the Kommersant Newspaper.

The Spanish police burst into their rented apartment in the middle of the night, arrested her husband, and confiscated all their electronic devices, according to Maria Levashova.

“I asked for an order or some other paperwork but they told me they showed them to my husband. I spoke to my husband on the phone when he was taken to police station. He told me he was shown some document in Spanish with a low-res photo of him. They said something about a virus that my husband had allegedly created and that it has something to do with Trump winning the presidential elections,” Levashova said.

The Barcelona and Madrid City Courts held a joint hearing via Skype and arrested her husband, according to Levashova. The Russian Consulate in Madrid told her Levashov is not the only one in such a situation. A Consulate representative is going to visit Levashov on Monday.

Maria Levashova asked human rights advocate and Vice President of the Russian arm of the International Human Rights Defence Committee Aleksandr Ionov for help, as pointed out by lenta.ru. Ionov defended Stanislav Lisov, another Russian programmer arrested in Spain on January 13. The USA suspects Lisov of developing the NeverQuest Trojan used to steal bank data. On March 14, the USA requested Spain to extradite him.
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The left lost this election because they had bad ideas and a bad candidate.

Given the entitlement mentality of many Americans, that speaks for itself.
 
Michael68 said:
Are you trying to say we are uncharitable if health insurance is not provided for? Where is this low opinion of Catholic Charities coming from? You do know the Catholic Church is the largest Charity organization on Earth, right?
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I think the whole idea is throw our hands up in the air to say that only the federal government is big enough to solve the problem :rolleyes: and all we have to do to be Christian charitable is vote Democratic without giving a single cent to charity----and if anyone asks about life, marriage or religious freedom, get a really uncomfortable look our faces and say “come on!”.
 
Michael68 said:
Are you trying to say we are uncharitable if health insurance is not provided for? Where is this low opinion of Catholic Charities coming from? You do know the Catholic Church is the largest Charity organization on Earth, right?
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And one of the goals of ACA and the progressive movement was to force Catholic Charities and other Church related charities out of healthcare, using the HHS Mandate and legal action intended to force them to pay for and perform procedures counter to their faith.
 
=J_Peterson;14584114]My point is that subsidiarity doesn’t dictate that the larger organization not touch anything. There are things that are best handled by the federal government. I don’t think I’d get much argument if I said that national defense is best handled at the federal level with no violation of subsidiarity, same for boarder control and enforcement
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The difference between defense and healthcare is constitutional enumerated powers , as well. Defense is explicitly enumerated. Healthcare is not even implicitly provided for.
Since charity wasn’t able to handle health insurance for all prior to the ACA, why should we believe that it will be able to handle it if it’s repealed. In a similar vein, the fact that the ACS didn’t provide for all either doesn’t mean it should be scrapped altogether, it can be fixed. It simply doesn’t make sense to point to subsidiarity as justification to get the federal government out of health care.
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Assumes facts not in evidence. What is the source for your claim that charity wasn’t able to handle it? I would contend that things are clearly worse now, at a staggering level of debt to the taxpayer.
I think subsidiarity does make sense, but if you need more, see the failure of the VA, and the financial failure that is Medicare and Medicaid.
 
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