Difference between Catholic "speaking in tongues" as oppose to Pentecostal "speaking of tongues"

[Sabda]

JoeyWarren,

 

[dessert]

You misunderstood. I have since been given the gifts of tongues. However, I have never since been given the gift of interpretation.

But I sincerely thank you for you prayers

You are very welcome Hope you do! Dessert

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Paul teaches that a proliferation of tongue-speaking in a church may actually be a sign of unbelief and God’s ensuing judgment upon them. When Paul teaches the Corinthians about the proper use of tongues (1 Cor. 14:21), he quotes from Isaiah 28:11-12: “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.” Paul’s use of Isaiah is significant because he is referring to the apostate Jews of the 8th century right before they were destroyed by the Assyrians. To punish the Jews, God first allowed the Assyrians to speak in foreign tongues to them to confuse them before they were ultimately destroyed. God’s judgment being revealed in the form of foreign tongues was first prophesied to Israel in the 15th century, B.C. (see Deut. 28:49-50). Remember also how God sent unintelligible tongues to punish His people for their lack of faith at the tower of Babel (Genesis 11).

Therefore, Paul is warning the Corinthians that their abuse of tongue-speaking is a sign of God’s judgment against them. These abuses included many people speaking in tongues, out of turn, without an interpreter, and for pride and not the edification of the church. This is why Paul says that “tongues are a sign…for unbelievers” (1 Cor. 14:22). This is the same “sign” that God gave the unbelieving Jews before they were punished.

This is also why Paul says that unbelievers look at the whole Corinthian church speaking in tongues and conclude that they “are mad” (1 Cor. 14:23). Paul is telling the Corinthians that their abuse of tongues makes them look insane, and this is a sign of their unbelief (that is why tongues are a “sign for unbelievers”; the “unbelievers” were the Corinthians themselves). This is the same reason why Jesus spoke in parables, to further harden the hearts of those who did not believe in Him, as a punishment for their lack of faith (Matt. 13:13-15).
scripturecatholic.com/tongues.html

that is something I have not considered before, thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Good job Daniel! However, keep in mind that the condemned were burned for centuries before Christians became part of that group.

Paul is not speaking hyperbole.

Hi Guanophore, do you have any historical sources to show that people were burned alive by the roman goverment before Nero? Around 55-56 AD?

Thanks in advance.

on I Cor 13

But, his examples are HE.

Knowing all knowledge, only God does that

knowing all secrets, only God does that

He used an attribute of God as part of his HE, that mankind can not possess.

He went on to talk about body being burned, I think at first branded, and no christians recieved branding volunterary. The language is voulenerary.

speaking the languages of angels, is also part of the exagerations.

along with literally throwing a mounting in the sea, so to speak.

Yes, in Matthew 21 Jesus spoke figuratively about throwing mountains into the sea by faith. But, here Paul is using HE and speaking literally.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

I think the Major thing we all agree on is that whatever gift, talent, or service we perform in life or in church must be done through agape or God’s love.

Thus the genuine gifts of the spirit, should have a correspondance with the fruits of the spirit in gal 5.

 

[MariaG]

I think the Major thing we all agree on is that whatever gift, talent, or service we perform in life or in church must be done through agape or God’s love.

Thus the genuine gifts of the spirit, should have a correspondance with the fruits of the spirit in gal 5.

Agreed.

Galatians 5:22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23] gentleness, self-control; against such there is no law.

 

[jdaigleone]

None whatsoever.

I recieved the “Baptism of the Holy Ghost” in the Catholic Church during a Catholic Charasmatic Renewel in Lafayette, LA.

I later converted to a Oneness Pentecostal church for several years.

I know members of several denominations that practice this phenomenon…

 

[water]

None whatsoever.

I recieved the “Baptism of the Holy Ghost” in the Catholic Church during a Catholic Charasmatic Renewel in Lafayette, LA.

I later converted to a Oneness Pentecostal church for several years.

I know members of several denominations that practice this phenomenon…

Have you received the Confirmation at the Catholic Church?

 

[jdaigleone]

I had been confirmed before hand yes, but I’ve known many good people who were never catholic and have recieved the experience.

 

[water]

I had been confirmed before hand yes, but I’ve known many good people who were never catholic and have recieved the experience.

I was not thinking that the Holy Spirit never works with those who were not confirmed. How He works with each individual is different but His purpose is the same for all.

Today, I talked to a lady who told me that if I don’t use the gift of tongue, then it is my lost. I didn’t want to go into any debate with her because my conversation with her was focusing on something else.

Truly, some people, such as the lady, think using the gift of tongue is a must. I don’t believe that.

 

[kujo313]

I was not thinking that the Holy Spirit never works with those who were not confirmed. How He works with each individual is different but His purpose is the same for all.

Today, I talked to a lady who told me that if I don’t use the gift of tongue, then it is my lost. I didn’t want to go into any debate with her because my conversation with her was focusing on something else.

Truly, some people, such as the lady, think using the gift of tongue is a must. I don’t believe that.

The gift of Tongues is between you and God. IF it’s used to address a congregation, then it MUST be followed by and interpretation.

 

[Sabda]

I was not thinking that the Holy Spirit never works with those who were not confirmed. How He works with each individual is different but His purpose is the same for all.

Today, I talked to a lady who told me that if I don’t use the gift of tongue, then it is my lost. I didn’t want to go into any debate with her because my conversation with her was focusing on something else.

**Truly, some people, such as the lady, think using the gift of tongue is a must. **I don’t believe that.

BAM!!! That’s the whole problem! They put soooooooo much emphasize on it that they completely disregard what Scripture actually says. It’s like they forget it’s a gift and not everyone is going to receive the same gifts, i.e. not everyone is going to receive the gift of tongues. In fact they seem to forget that tongues is actually a lesser gift. Prophecy is a greater gift but you do not see these people playing that one up.

 

[Pixie_Dust]

BAM!!! That’s the whole problem! They put soooooooo much emphasize on it that they completely disregard what Scripture actually says. It’s like they forget it’s a gift and not everyone is going to receive the same gifts, i.e. not everyone is going to receive the gift of tongues. In fact they seem to forget that tongues is actually a lesser gift. Prophecy is a greater gift but you do not see these people playing that one up.

Exactly. The like to point to 1 Cor 15:5 where it says, “I would have you all to speak with tongues” ignoring the rest of the verse: “but rather to prophesy. For greater is he that prophesieth, than he that speaketh with tongues: unless perhaps he interpret, that the church may receive edification.” (D-R)

I visited a charismatic church once where the man opening in prayer started out speaking English, then in the middle of it, he started speaking in tongues. Needless to say, he did not interpret.

 

[strngrnrth]

A few years ago, I asked God privately for a few words in a tongue and I spoke some words. I looked them up in a Hebrew dictionary and they were words of significance. I didn’t speak Hebrew before that. I think the words meant “God’s peace” or “God’s love”. I don’t remember which it was. But it felt good.

 

[marie_cantrell]

Well iam a one God Apostolic tongue talking Apostolic( Pentecostal) woman that used to be Catholic.Yes there is a big! deference in how you use the gift of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues some people use it to make fun or give people a rhymes to say really fast so they get tongue tied and say that they got the Holy Ghost boy are they soo wrong to say there holier than every one else.But as for My Pastor and my church family and myself We truly have the gift of the Holy Ghost the most amazing feeling you will ever feel in your life. People say it is not an importance but i reassure you it is . I was born and raised Catholic and my whole family is devout catholic. I remember questioning the catholic faith when i was younger things didn’t add up to me and i always felt a emptiness in my heart.it wasn’t until December of 2009 when that void was filled with the Holy Ghost. My relationship with God is so amazing i talk to God all the time he is my best friend. Some thing i didn’t quite understand growing up as a catholic Like i never understood why i needed to confess my sins to a priest not being disrespectful but God knows all sees all and hears all so why don’t they believe God is good enough to only confess your sins to why do i need some onelse to do it for me. or why there are more prayers to Mary on the rosary then to God i know Mary is important but im all about worshiping and parsing God.And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Matthew 6:7 or why when they baptize they only sprinkle water on their heads because the word baptism means full immersion. Or why they say you have to be baptized as a baby for original sin were is that in the bible? because the bible truly states that"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself." Ezekiel 18:20. or that Catholics and some other religions say you have to be baptized in the name of the Father the Son and they Holy Spirt . because they get confused of the Bible scripture matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: What is the name of the Father its Jesus The name of the Son is Jesus and the name of the Holy Ghost is Jesus For all these 3 are one. If you read acts 2:38 it says Then Peter said unto them, Repent , and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off , even as many as the Lord our God shall call .It says In the Name what is the name Jesus Christ is the name above all names. And that is also were we are promised the Gift of the Holy Ghost some people say it don’t apply to us but why would Jesus put it in the bible if it was not so because the bible is the same today tomorrow and forever it didn’t change then and it doesn’t change now. i can find people so many scriptures its unbelievable of why us Pentecostals believe what we do and its all in the bible. Some people that visit a Pentecostal church think were weird because the why we worship. well it say in Luke 19:37-41 As he was drawing near—already on the way down the Mount of Olives—the whole multitude of his disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen, saying, “Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!” And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.” He answered, “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.” And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it,. hear is one more before i conclude my Beliefs and questions People frown up us because we have long hair and dress modestly wearing sleeves and long skirts well in Corinthians 11:5-15 it says 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven . 6 For if the woman be not covered , let her also be shorn : but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven , let her be covered . 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13 Judge in yourselves : is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair , it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair , it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. and as for the way we dress it say in Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. My last imput Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate , saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,. iam proud Apostolic( Pentecostal) woman i love being Pentecostal! i could go on and on about diffrent scriptures but i think im gonna stop here.

 

[guanophore]

Well iam a one God Apostolic tongue talking Apostolic( Pentecostal) woman that used to be Catholic.

Welcome to CAF Marie! Since you are new here, you probably don’t realize that you have found an “old” thread. If you look at the original post (OP) you can see it is dated 2007. That usually means that everyone who was participating in the thread is long gone.

I am curious, why do you say you “used to be Catholic”?

Yes there is a big! deference in how you use the gift of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues some people use it to make f

I am curious Marie. What do you mean by “the gift of teh Holy Ghost speaking in tongues”?

un or give people a rhymes to say really fast so they get tongue tied and say that they got the Holy Ghost boy are they soo wrong to say there holier than every one else.

This is a very Catholic thing to say.

Catholics consider this a form of fraud, and it may even be so serious as to be a form of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

But as for My Pastor and my church family and myself We truly have the gift of the Holy Ghost the most amazing feeling you will ever feel in your life.

Did you know that the gift of the Holy Ghost is not a “feeling”?

People say it is not an importance but i reassure you it is . I was born and raised Catholic and my whole family is devout catholic. I remember questioning the catholic faith when i was younger things didn’t add up to me and i always felt a emptiness in my heart.it wasn’t until December of 2009 when that void was filled with the Holy Ghost. My relationship with God is so amazing i talk to God all the time he is my best friend.

It is great that you finally came to appreciate the gift of the Holy Ghost that was placed in you at your Baptism.

I am curious about what “didn’t add up”?

Some thing i didn’t quite understand growing up as a catholic Like i never understood why i needed to confess my sins to a priest not being disrespectful but God knows all sees all and hears all so why don’t they believe God is good enough to only confess your sins to why do i need some onelse to do it for me.

This is a common misunderstanding, but it does help explain why you consider yourself a former Catholic.

or why there are more prayers to Mary on the rosary then to God i know Mary is important but im all about worshiping and parsing God.And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Matthew 6:7

It is a sad fact that some Catholics repeat memorized prayers in vain, because their heart and their spirit are not in the prayer. When I grew up Catholic I used to think this way too, because my own heart, like yours, was not filled with the Spirit in whom I was sealed for the day of redemption. I also did not learn how to meditate on the Rosary, so I messed the whole point.

or why when they baptize they only sprinkle water on their heads because the word baptism means full immersion.

This is an ancient practice that comes from doing baptisms where there was very little water. You are right that baptism does mean immersion, and the Catholic Church teaches that this is the fullest sign of the Sacrament. I am happy to see baptismal fonts being installed in Catholic Churches now that are large enough for people to climb inside.

Or why they say you have to be baptized as a baby for original sin were is that in the bible?

You don’t see original sin in your bible?

because the bible truly states that"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself." Ezekiel 18:20.

Original sin is not the same as a personal sin. Original sin is the tendency toward sin that we have as a result of the Fall of Adam and Eve. In the New Testament it is called the “flesh”, which is set against the Spirit.

or that Catholics and some other religions say you have to be baptized in the name of the Father the Son and they Holy Spirt . because they get confused of the Bible scripture matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: What is the name of the Father its Jesus The name of the Son is Jesus and the name of the Holy Ghost is Jesus For all these 3 are one. If you read acts 2:38 it says Then Peter said unto them, Repent , and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off , even as many as the Lord our God shall call .It says In the Name what is the name Jesus Christ is the name above all names.

Yes, Jesus Christ is the name above all names. :extrahappy:

We baptize this way because this is the manner that was handed down to us from the Apostles, and we are not allowed to depart from the One Faith we received from them.

 

[guanophore]

And that is also were we are promised the Gift of the Holy Ghost some people say it don’t apply to us but why would Jesus put it in the bible if it was not so because the bible is the same today tomorrow and forever it didn’t change then and it doesn’t change now.

Yes, all the gifts of the Holy Ghost apply to us. This is what the Catholic Church believes and teaches.

i can find people so many scriptures its unbelievable of why us Pentecostals believe what we do and its all in the bible. Some people that visit a Pentecostal church think were weird because the why we worship. well it say in Luke 19:37-41 As he was drawing near—already on the way down the Mount of Olives—the whole multitude of his disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen, saying, “Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!” And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.” He answered, “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.” And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it,.

Jesus taught how He wanted us to worship Him at the Last Supper. There is nothing wrong with exhuberant praise, but sometimes people tend to make their worship all based in their emotions, and this is not good for spiritual growth.

hear is one more before i conclude my Beliefs and questions People frown up us because we have long hair and dress modestly wearing sleeves and long skirts well in Corinthians 11:5-15 it says 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven . 6 For if the woman be not covered , let her also be shorn : but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven , let her be covered . 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13 Judge in yourselves : is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair , it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair , it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. and as for the way we dress it say in Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Some instructions in the NT are pastoral, and are related to the culture of the time. Some are doctrinal, and cannot change. No one should make fun of you, though, for being devout in your faith, or wearing modest clothing.

My last imput Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate , saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,. iam proud Apostolic( Pentecostal) woman i love being Pentecostal! i could go on and on about diffrent scriptures but i think im gonna stop here.

Are you calling upon Catholics to leave the Church? Perhaps you believe we should all become Apostolic Pentecostals?

I am glad you have come here Marie, because it seems like you do have a lot of misconceptions about the Catholic Church. I hope you will be able to get them cleared up here.

 

[Doxiemom]

Interesting question.

Speaking in tongues is just one of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.Seems to me, since He is God, He can give this gift in whatever form and to whomever He pleases for His Purpose.

Hence I would be careful not to insult the Spirit by assuming that some of this , is indeed, “gibberish” for we will not be speaking English or Latin in heaven, though i think it just may be Hebrew, but that is another storyline…

My mother was close to death. She was a baptist who converted to Catholicism. She was as WASP as you can be who married into an Italian catholic family. While she had learned a few words here and there, she began speaking fluent Italian and we, her family who knew mostly none, understood every word and who she was speaking to ( my father’s dead parents) who had come to help her pass.

I think you know the real thing when you hear it however the Holy Spirit chose to manifest it. If you feel beguiled, then turn away and let God take care of it.