Differences between Catholic faith and Baptist?

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ahimsaman72:
As a life-long baptist I can honestly say I’ve never heard anyone call a catholic a “non-Christian”. My pastors have always taught that people from all walks of life and many denominations would make it to heaven, including catholics. Unless this happened to you personally or is verifiable by someone close to you I would say this is a generalization and should not be repeated because my experience has not been so.
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I have been in two Baptist Churches in my life and both pastors told lies or untruths about what we as Catholic’s believe and one part of my husband’s family who are Baptists … have told me I am not Christen because I am Catholic (and our children) and my mother inlaw has told me on many many occassions, that I am going to hell for my belief. Although I am sure not all Baptists pastor’s are like this … I can’t say they aren’t … because two out of two doesn’t give me a good feeling.

Her son (my husband) has not stepped foot into a church of what he thought was his faith after hearing such Trash (his quote) coming from Baptist preachers. One even was excited because his missionaries where ERADICATING CATHOLICS in Equador. Although he isn’t sure the Catholic Faith is for him … he gravitates towards us (Catholics) more and more. I have told him he must ask for truth from the Holy Spirit … and ask him to help him discern where he needs to be in his faith walk.

My husband does come to Mass with us and on Holy Days … He is a tremendous support!
 
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MGEISING:
I have been in two Baptist Churches in my life and both pastors told lies or untruths about what we as Catholic’s believe and one part of my husband’s family who are Baptists … have told me I am not Christen because I am Catholic (and our children) and my mother inlaw has told me on many many occassions, that I am going to hell for my belief. Although I am sure not all Baptists pastor’s are like this … I can’t say they aren’t … because two out of two doesn’t give me a good feeling.

Her son (my husband) has not stepped foot into a church of what he thought was his faith after hearing such Trash (his quote) coming from Baptist preachers. One even was excited because his missionaries where ERADICATING CATHOLICS in Equador. Although he isn’t sure the Catholic Faith is for him … he gravitates towards us (Catholics) more and more. I have told him he must ask for truth from the Holy Spirit … and ask him to help him discern where he needs to be in his faith walk.

My husband does come to Mass with us and on Holy Days … He is a tremendous support!
This quote of mine from way back is (I believe) the most quoted on this thread. It sparks the minds of those who have encountered hostility by Baptists and those Baptists who have converted to Catholicism. I still stand by my statement. It is factual. It is my experience. I’m sad to say that it isn’t shared by other Baptists.

It may very well be that the majority are anti-Catholic, but I have never been “anti” myself and neither have those I have been around in my Baptist upbringing including pastors and laypeople.

Peace…
 
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ahimsaman72:
This quote of mine from way back is (I believe) the most quoted on this thread. It sparks the minds of those who have encountered hostility by Baptists and those Baptists who have converted to Catholicism. I still stand by my statement. It is factual. It is my experience. I’m sad to say that it isn’t shared by other Baptists.

It may very well be that the majority are anti-Catholic, but I have never been “anti” myself and neither have those I have been around in my Baptist upbringing including pastors and laypeople.

Peace…
Hi - have you read the Bob Jones Thread? My in-laws are alumni’s from that school … it is so sad that people are programmed by some institutions and learn how to hate people, when they don’t really even know what they stand for … I can’t say I hate Baptists, but I know that I do not want to ever enter into their “House of the Lord” ever again … unless it has to do with a funeral.

Sorry … it isn’t anything against you, just against the anti-Catholics that run rampant in my family (my husband’s side).

Prayer is all I can do at this point … and I have offered it to our Lord.

Peace and Merry Christmas to you and yours.
 
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ahimsaman72:
Originally Posted by ahimsaman72
As a life-long baptist I can honestly say I’ve never heard anyone call a catholic a “non-Christian”. My pastors have always taught that people from all walks of life and many denominations would make it to heaven, including catholics. .

Whether you like it or believe it, my statement here is true, regardless of the link you posted.
Most of the Catholic evangelism I have seen is online. I have never heard any of the Brothers and Sisters in my church attack in any way a Catholic.

While some fringe Christians believe Catholics aren’t saved, the average Joe and Jane pew-sitter appreciates their love for God.

I have many friends from all different denominations, Pentecostal, Baptist, RCA, etc., and never heard one bad word.

The Theological differences you see critiqued by any particular denomination are no different than one Protestant denomination critiquing another. You are not alone.

While these differences seem to excite some Catholics on this forum, they don’t excite me. I appreciate the fact that we are ALL imperfect, and NONE of us have ALL (full, complete) theological insight.

Christ is the point, not theology. Every has a unique and personal theology. The question then becomes, how do you treat other Christians despite your theological bias? Do you encourage them the freedom to explore the Lord, or do you limit them by your verbal bashing?
 
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dhgray:
Malachi4U,

First of all, to group all Baptists together under the SBC umbrella, would be like saying all Catholics support John Kerry.
Amen.
 
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shaws4god:
Most of the Catholic evangelism I have seen is online. I have never heard any of the Brothers and Sisters in my church attack in any way a Catholic.

While some fringe Christians believe Catholics aren’t saved, the average Joe and Jane pew-sitter appreciates their love for God.

I have many friends from all different denominations, Pentecostal, Baptist, RCA, etc., and never heard one bad word.

The Theological differences you see critiqued by any particular denomination are no different than one Protestant denomination critiquing another. You are not alone.

While these differences seem to excite some Catholics on this forum, they don’t excite me. I appreciate the fact that we are ALL imperfect, and NONE of us have ALL (full, complete) theological insight.

Christ is the point, not theology. Every has a unique and personal theology. The question then becomes, how do you treat other Christians despite your theological bias? Do you encourage them the freedom to explore the Lord, or do you limit them by your verbal bashing?
I was raised Southern Baptist. I have personal knowledge of the prevailing attitudes – and it isn’t a pretty sight. I was taught from the pulpit and in Sunday School that Catholics are going to hell, that their church is the Whore of Babylon, and that the pope is the antichrist. A great deal of time was spent teaching me the evils of Catholicism. The SBC in Arizona and in Oklahoma voiced the same garbage, as my Baptist relatives confirmed. I attended a SB church in OK every summer of my childhood. So it wasn’t limited to my little church and one pastor in Phoenix. I don’t think the SBC regards itself as a “fringe” Christian organization.

A pastor of the General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
wrote the following statement to me in 1997: “Catholics are not Christians.” I got the same thing just this year from a pastor of an Independent Baptist Church. I’ve debated several Baptists in discussion forums on the Internet, and they all have taken delight in telling me that Catholics are not Christians. This is a wide-spread, intractable belief on the part of many Baptists. Your experience is the exception, not the rule.

These are the statements of Martin Luther, founder of all Protestantism, so it’s not surprising that Baptists are not alone in holding these opinions.

Protestants consider each other “saved” regardless of denomination. Many consider Catholics doomed to hell. Others do not, but in any case they all label us ‘wrong’ and ‘unbiblical.’ Which is pure bull-oney.

“Do you encourage them the freedom to explore the Lord, or do you limit them by your verbal bashing?” is a loaded Q. The Catholic Church alone has the whole Truth; and we acknowledge that all Protestant churches have part of the Truth and are our separated brethren. “Private interpretation” – i.e., the freedom to believe what we please – is a Protestant heresy. Truth is singular. Christianity is a revealed religion – “handed down once for all” by the Apostles to the Church (Jude 3). We can reject the Truth as God revealed it, or we can accept it. Freedom to believe what I think may be true is not freedom, it’s rebellion.

Peace be with you.

JMJ Jay
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!
 
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MGEISING:
Hi - have you read the Bob Jones Thread? My in-laws are alumni’s from that school … it is so sad that people are programmed by some institutions and learn how to hate people, when they don’t really even know what they stand for … I can’t say I hate Baptists, but I know that I do not want to ever enter into their “House of the Lord” ever again … unless it has to do with a funeral.
The last funeral I attended at a Southern Baptist Church I endured a sermon bashing the Pope and the Catholic Church. Out of courtesy, I had to sit in silence. Their obsessive hatred seems so ingrained that they can’t miss an opportunity to attack any Catholics who might be in attendance, even if it meant disrespecting the dead. I’m not going to any more Baptist funerals!

JMJ Jay (former Baptist)
 
Having reverted from Protestantism, with a long stint in the Assemblies of God denom I would have to agree w/post 205 above. Most especially this phrase: "Freedom to believe what I think may be true is not freedom, it’s rebellion."
 
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Katholikos:
ahimsaman, I’m curious as to what you were thinking when you wrote this. All Christians, by definition, believe they are saved by Christ. He is the Redeemer. What church believes men save themselves?

Thanks, Jay
Have you answered this? If so, I missed it. Could you help me out?Thanks, Jay
 
Ahimsaman wrote:
So, we have to not classify sin so easily. It is all to be classified as sin - it all offends God.
All sin offends God, true. But not all sin is deadly, or mortal, or serious, or whatever word you prefer. Some sins are venial, or small, or less offensive, or whatever words you prefer. The Catholic Church uses the term “mortal” to describe sins which “kill” the friendship of God in our souls and alienate us from Him – sins that mortally wound us, spiritually speaking. The Protestant RSV uses the same term.

1 Jn 5:16-17 RSV: If anyone sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. (The Catholic Church uses the term “venial” for these lesser sins. They offend God but do not destroy His friendship – His Grace, His Divine Life – in our souls.)

Jn 19-11 RSV: “For this reason the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.” Jesus Himself tells us that there are degrees of sin.

In 1 Cor 6:9-11, St. Paul gives us a clue about what types of sin are “mortal” – i.e., sins that will exclude us from heaven if we die unrepentant and unforgiven.

JMJ Jay
 
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ahimsaman72:
Total Depravity: Romans 3:11
11. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
This is from Psalm 14, quoted by St. Paul. “Total depravity” is John Calvin’s interpretation of the Psalmist’s poetic words. Jews – and Christians for 16 centuries – did not read “total depravity” into the Scriptures. Calvin was the first to “discover” this novel meaning.
Election of God’s people: Ephesians 1:4-5
4. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Romans 8:30
30. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

This teaching is Biblical as Paul preached it and is well before John Calvin.🙂
Calvin “found” his own interpretation of predestination in the Scriptures in the 16th century. The Catholic Church teaches predestination – but not the “double predestination” of the Calvinists. The Church was taught by the Apostles, and is guided in teaching faith and morals by the Holy Spirit [Jn 14:16-18, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7-15, Acts 1:1-2, et al]. Calvin was his own teacher and interpreter.
Many things are implied - the Trinity is also implied, though not explicit. Protestants accept teachings as long as they can be deduced from Scripture. In the protestant mind, purgatory cannot be deduced from Scripture because there is not enough evidence to support that view. The best proof-text for it lies in Maccabees which is not accepted as binding on matters of doctrine.
If you’re a follower of Luther, and all Protestants are, that’s true. Martin Luther shucked 7 books and parts of Esther and Daniel from the OT canon that were Scripture to Jesus, the Apostles, all the writers of the NT, and the first Christians. These and the NT had been “Scripture” for Christians since they were canonized by the Church at the end of the 4th century. The Septuagint OT containing these writings was Scripture to the Jews long before that, and was used in the first century synagogues where Jesus and the Apostles were trained and taught. When Luther proclaimed his novel doctrine of Sola Scriptura – Scripture Alone – he meant his own limited version of the Scriptures with Maccabees cut out. Clever fellow, that Luther.

Maccabees, however, is not the only scriptural “proof.” But Protestants filter the Scriptures through their own pre-programmed prism and find no mention of Purgatory:p. It, like the Trinity, is implied. The Jews, Jesus, the Apostles, and the sacred writers of the NT, mostly Jews, all believed in purification of the soul after death. The historical evidence is Maccabees, even if one rejects it as “Scripture,” as Luther and his followers did. The Jews still pray for their dead to this day. The Church calls the process of purification preparatory to entering into the presence of God “Purgatory.” The Jews don’t have a name for it.

Everything is not explicitly taught in the NT. The NT is the literary record of the spiritual life of the newborn Catholic Church during the first 100 years or so of its existence. Period. It is not an instruction book, as Protestants have tried to make it.:nope: It has none of the qualities of an instruction book. It doesn’t tell how baptism is to be administered, how to become a Christian, how to worship God, or any essential instructions. It’s the Catholic Church’s job to teach Christianity, but Protestants refuse to listen. Jesus didn’t leave us a book of instructions – he left us a Church as our teacher.
Altar calls can be deduced from Scripture - because the principle is there. It is not stated - “thou shalt have altar calls and the pastor must use x + Y formula in doing so.” Of course not.
It’s simply another opportunity for people to confess their sins and pray to God for mercy and salvation (which you would agree are Biblical). So, altar calls are Biblical - because they are based on Biblical principles.
No one “discovered” that interpretation of Scripture until the 19th century, after the practice of holding altar calls began. 😃 It’s called eisogesis – one begins with the doctrine or practice, then “finds” the justification in the Scriptures after the fact.

These come-lately interpretations of Scripture are misinterpretations. If the Apostles didn’t teach it, forget it. Forget Luther’s Sola Fide, Calvin’s TULIP, Zwingli’s take on the Eucharist, and so on, multiplied by the number of Protestant denominations, which is thousands. Gimme that Ole Time Religion of the Apostles. (Hint: it’s Catholic). 😃

Peace be with you,

JMJ Jay
 
so an example a person like scott peterson who kill his wife and his unborn child. he will go to heaven no matter what? iam sorry but i can accept this.:blessyou:
 
Baptists believe in the concept of “Eternal Security”, or, “Saved Once, Saved Forever”. As the Southern Baptists have recently explained: “All true believers endure to the end. Those whom God has accepted in Christ, and sanctified by His Spirit, will never fall away from the state of grace, but shall persevere to the end” (Baptist Faith and Message, June 14, 2000). Surely, we agree that God in His omniscience knows who shall endure until the end! But can the average believer share in God’s omniscience? Can the average believer know with certainty that he or she shall persevere in the faith until the end? Is the Baptist doctrine of Eternal Security in fact a repudiation of the Lord’s statement that “not everyone who says to me ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father” (Mat. 7:21)? :blessyou:
 
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Katholikos:
The last funeral I attended at a Southern Baptist Church I endured a sermon bashing the Pope and the Catholic Church. Out of courtesy, I had to sit in silence. Their obsessive hatred seems so ingrained that they can’t miss an opportunity to attack any Catholics who might be in attendance, even if it meant disrespecting the dead. I’m not going to any more Baptist funerals!

JMJ Jay (former Baptist)
Just out of curiosity, how did he bash the Pope and the Church? What did he or they say exactly? I would like to know so I can prepare myself if it happens to me. Thank You and God Bless.
 
Small detail question. The Baptist churches I have been in have no kneelers. Any reason for that?
 
J.R.:
Just out of curiosity, how did he bash the Pope and the Church? What did he or they say exactly? I would like to know so I can prepare myself if it happens to me. Thank You and God Bless.
I have been to 5 Baptist Churches in my life and three out of the five crucified our faith. My husband (who was brought up Baptist) won’t even go.

They have said things like - we put Mary higher than Jesus, that the Pope is the Antichrist, That we believe works get us to heavan …

Non-Truths or Half Truths. My Father inlaw told me more than half their baptist church are former Catholics. Frightening … I told him - then they aren’t well formed in the faith …
 
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mercygate:
Small detail question. The Baptist churches I have been in have no kneelers. Any reason for that?
hello mercy -

I saw this and thought I would share with you. Actually, there are no kneelers, because there is no “kneeling” in services :).

I know - you think I’m a smarty-pants - but it is reality. Baptists either sit during prayer or pray standing up. There is no kneeling when we go into the church - no kneeling and waiting for services to begin, etc. It’s just not a custom with Baptists. There’s no “confessional” aspect to the services - so no need for kneeling.

Hope this helps.
 
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MGEISING:
Hi - have you read the Bob Jones Thread? My in-laws are alumni’s from that school … it is so sad that people are programmed by some institutions and learn how to hate people, when they don’t really even know what they stand for … I can’t say I hate Baptists, but I know that I do not want to ever enter into their “House of the Lord” ever again … unless it has to do with a funeral.

Sorry … it isn’t anything against you, just against the anti-Catholics that run rampant in my family (my husband’s side).

Prayer is all I can do at this point … and I have offered it to our Lord.

Peace and Merry Christmas to you and yours.
No, I haven’t read that thread. Bob Jones - strict, conservative unlikeable.

No problem, friend. Thank you for your honesty and kindness.

Peace and blessings to you this Christmas holiday!
 
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Katholikos:
Have you answered this? If so, I missed it. Could you help me out?Thanks, Jay
To be honest, I don’t remember and am too lazy to go back and look it up 😃 . Do you know the context or point of your question? If you ask again I will try to answer to the best of my ability. What exactly are you asking?

Peace…
 
mayra hart:
so an example a person like scott peterson who kill his wife and his unborn child. he will go to heaven no matter what? iam sorry but i can accept this.:blessyou:
dear mayra, mayra -

I understand your thought processes here. Only God knows and judges perfectly. I believe in the universal salvation of all men, so Scott will suffer and be purified for the wrongs he has done, just like us.

Peace…
 
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