DignityUSA's Altar Bread Recipe

[Chalice]

I went onto “DignityUSA’s” website to see their reaction to the upcoming seminary audits and the possible prohibition of homosexuals from the seminary and I found their recipes for “altar bread”:

dignityusa.org/liturgy/altarbread.html

Please note these recipes **should not be used ** (because they contain more than wheat flour and water), but it does show very clearly how some horrible organizations wish to harm the Church and the celebration of the Eucharist.

This is sickening!

I wonder how many other dissident groups push this sorta garbage to possibly unsuspecting Catholics?

 

[Brain]

Courage > Dignity

 

[Chalice]

Brain:

Courage > Dignity

Courage is also an orthodox organization.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Chalice:

Courage is also an orthodox organization.

Actually, Courage IS an orthodox and ecclesiastically approved apostolate.

Dignity is a heterodox and not approved organization.

 

[severinus]

They want to be treated with ‘dignity’ but don’t respect the Blessed Sacrament. Wow.

Just one more CINO organization showing their true colors.

 

[Brendan]

Well, considering all those ingredients render the matter invalid, and this there is no Real Presence; it’s actually nice to know that Dignity doesn’t involve Christ at any of their fuctions.

 

[netmilsmom]

Brendan:

Well, considering all those ingredients render the matter invalid, and this there is no Real Presence; it’s actually nice to know that Dignity doesn’t involve Christ at any of their fuctions.

Oooo, smackdown!!!
You certain have got that right!

 

[Chalice]

Brendan:

Well, considering all those ingredients render the matter invalid, and this there is no Real Presence; it’s actually nice to know that Dignity doesn’t involve Christ at any of their fuctions.

Is that right? The Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ couldn’t even be confected using bread made from one of these recipes? I think you might be wrong. While their use would most certainly be a grave abuse, I don’t believe it would keep the Eucharist from being confected – although I may be mistaken.

While these bogus recipes may seem like no big deal at first glance, after a bit of study they truly seem like the work of Satan.

 

[Chalice]

LCMS_No_More:

Actually, Courage IS an orthodox and ecclesiastically approved apostolate.

Dignity is a heterodox and not approved organization.

Duh.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Luckily the poster is correct who said that this bread would not be valid matter. No valid matter = no consecration, period, case closed.

Adding honey or other sugars, oils or other agents, or yeast, and certainly any different flours, or gluten, invalidates the matter and makes it impossible for the bread to become the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, of Christ.

Sadly, Chalice, there are several parishes (one most certainly in Minneapolis, it’s on another thread) which use one or the other of these so-called “approved” recipes, and have the GALL to say that their bishop, or worse yet, “the Vatican” have approved them.

It was bad enough in the 70s and the 80s when these things were used and people DID NOT KNOW the truth and were thinking they were receiving the Eucharist. . .but now, with the rise of sites like these and with much more information (finally) coming from the USCCB and with much thanks to our Pope Benedict ("Putting the smackdown on heresy since 1981), it is much worse. Now many more people know the truth, yet these warhorse heretics (and that is what they really are) are STILL trying to spread their disinformation and their heresies onto young and old. It’s abominable. May God have mercy on them, remember what he said about “better a millstone be put on their necks and they be thrown into the sea rather than harm these little ones”.

 

[Chalice]

I surfed EWTN and you’re right – such breads could not be used in the process of confecting the Eucharist.

To place these recipes on a website and to encourage their use seems evil to me (no, I don’t use that word lightly.)

It seems like nothing more than a means to deprive people from the Eucharist.

As Father Corapi says “…no Eucharist, no power.”

Chilling.

 

[amarischuk]

“Redemptionis Sacramentum,”

[48] The bread used in the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharistic Sacrifice must be unleavened, purely of wheat, and recently made so that there is no danger of decomposition. It follows therefore that bread made from another substance, even if it is grain, or if it is mixed with another substance different from wheat** to such an extent that it would not commonly be considered wheat bread**, does not constitute valid matter for confecting the Sacrifice and the Eucharistic Sacrament. It is a grave abuse to introduce other substances, such as fruit or sugar or honey, into the bread for confecting the Eucharist. Hosts should obviously be made by those who are not only distinguished by their integrity, but also skilled in making them and furnished with suitable tools.

ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur85.htm

Sorry Tantum Ergo et al. but you are wrong. Unless the (wheat) bread be mixed with other ingredients to the point of not being recognizable as wheat bread, then it is still valid matter. Hence wheat bread mixed with honey, raisins, other grains etc. would be valid though not licit. But their is the interesting question of whether those bleached white hosts would ordinarily be recognized as bread at all.

Leaven wheat bread is used in the Eastern Churches and has been for millenia and is valid matter though in the west it is not licit.

Adam

 

[Chalice]

Remarkable!

I could see where abusers would use the wording in RS to actually use abusive matter!

I knew I cam across this someplace. I sure hope the Church did not use RS to soften the position just so there would be fewer illicit and invalid Masses being celebrated.

 

[Patchunky]

I used to bake the prosphora for my parish for many years until we got our current Irish priest…HOW LONG, OH LORD???

Anyway, the recipe I used had salt, yeast, sugar, whole wheat flour and water in it.

You should go to www.prosphora.org and see the great recipes used by Eastern Christians for Communion bread.

 

[Dr.Bombay]

ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur85.htm

Sorry Tantum Ergo et al. but you are wrong. Unless the (wheat) bread be mixed with other ingredients to the point of not being recognizable as wheat bread, then it is still valid matter. Hence wheat bread mixed with honey, raisins, other grains etc. would be valid though not licit. But their is the interesting question of whether those bleached white hosts would ordinarily be recognized as bread at all.

Leaven wheat bread is used in the Eastern Churches and has been for millenia and is valid matter though in the west it is not licit.

Adam

Splendid. I can’t wait until Rome formally approves raisin and honey hosts. Maybe we could have an additional eucharistic minister standing by handing out little pats of consecrated butter. And have consecrated microwaves right there in the sanctuary so we can warm up the hosts a little bit.

Oh, and if they could sprinkle a little consecrated cinnamon on top too. That would be scrumptious.

 

[amarischuk]

You forget that the Mass is the reinactment of the Passover meal and when Christ instituted the Eucharist, it was part a of much larger meal (likely following the Paschal tradition):

The ceremony so far has been only introductory. The meal proper now begins. First all wash their hands; the president then recites a blessing over the unleavened cakes, and, after having dipped small fragments of them in salt water, he eats them reclining. He next distributes pieces to the others. He also takes some bitter herbs, dips them in the charoseth, and gives them to the others to be eaten. He next makes a kind of sandwich by putting a portion of horse-radish between two pieces of unleavened bread and hands it around, saying that it is in memory of the Temple and of Hillel, who used to wrap together pieces of the paschal lamb, unleavened bread, bitter herbs, and eat them, in fulfilment of the command of Exodus 12:8.

newadvent.org/cathen/11512b.htm

I doubt horse-radish will ever be approved for the host but their is a historical precedent for a meal/feast surrounding the Eucharist itself:

Then followed the Eucharist, at which only the baptized were present. Two other elements of the service in the earliest time soon disappeared. One was the Love-feast (agape) that came just before the Eucharist; the other was the spiritual exercises, in which people were moved by the Holy Ghost to prophesy, speak in divers tongues, heal the sick by prayer, and so on. This function – to which I Cor., xiv, 1-14, and the Didache, x, 7, etc., refer – obviously opened the way to disorders; from the second century it gradually disappears. The Eucharistic Agape seems to have disappeared at about the same time.

newadvent.org/cathen/09306a.htm

If the Agape feast was re-instituted then the use of raisins and honey on/in the Eucharistic bread would be superfluous. The Catholic Encyclopedia article is dated and should be supplanted by the scholarschip of J A Jungmann and Theodor Klauser.

Adam

 

[Dr.Bombay]

Dude, He didn’t consecrate the bitter herbs and lamb. He consecrated the bread and wine.

*Surrounding *the Eucharist. Not part of it.

And just because something is of ancient origin doesn’t mean it’s superior to anything that came after it.

 

[amarischuk]

did you simply not read my post?

I used the words surrounding for the Seder (agape) meal. Furthermore, I said that the honey and raising where in/on the Eucharistic bread. At no point did I imply that the other materials (honey, raisins, meat etc.) were/could be/should be consecrated, only the bread.

Oh, and their is no consecration of the wine in the Seder ceremony, only the bread is blessed. Neither is the chalice or the bread blessed in the Gospel of Luke. Christ only ‘gives thanks’.

Adam

 

[Chalice]

Patchunky:

I used to bake the prosphora for my parish for many years until we got our current Irish priest…HOW LONG, OH LORD???

Anyway, the recipe I used had salt, yeast, sugar, whole wheat flour and water in it.

You should go to www.prosphora.org and see the great recipes used by Eastern Christians for Communion bread.

Eastern Rite Catholics are not limited to wheat flour and water…

 

[Khoria_Anna]

Patchunky:

I used to bake the prosphora for my parish for many years until we got our current Irish priest…HOW LONG, OH LORD???

Anyway, the recipe I used had salt, yeast, sugar, whole wheat flour and water in it.

You should go to www.prosphora.org and see the great recipes used by Eastern Christians for Communion bread.

Prosphora.org has many great tips on how to kneed to consistency, how to bake a great loaf of bread, but most of the recipes there are not, NOT, acceptable to most Orthodox and certainly not licit (and many not even valid) to Eastern catholics.
I learned how to bake prosphora 14 years ago in the Greek Orthodox church, baked it weekly for 8 years in the Antiochian Orthodox Church and have been doing it weekly for my Melkite Church for almost 2 years. There was a spell in the Antiochian Orthodox Church when an older woman talked me into adding spices to the mix, but the bishop put an end to that quickly when he tasted my prosphora. He used it, but told me later to stick to flour, yeast, and water. I’ve since learned that most commercial flours that advertise “best for bread” include barley flour, which elminates them from being usable to make prosphora.

There are, however some wonderful Orthodox and Eastern Catholic artoclasia – holiday breads that are specially blessed in church, but not used for Communion, that have raisins, honey, eggs, butter, and all kinds of rich ingredients. mmmmmmmm good.