Diocese is becoming politically leftist

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I have no real answer for you here but I do suggest you keep in mind that some, some meaning a few to many, of those who are refugees are just like you and me and most everyone reading this and have found themselves displaced, often from horrific situations. (Now, people who are entering a country with nefarious reasons, such as trafficking or other illegal and immoral reasons is a different story.) Pray for them, continue to support charities you feel called to support.
 
Precisely, the old laws were there to keep out Catholics, and to some extent Eastern European Orthodox Christians, as well as Asians (in particular Chinese), all of which were firmly believed were going to overrun God-fearing Protestant North America with their alien ways. The rhetoric from a century ago is stunningly similar to the rhetoric today, it’s just that the targets have shifted a bit, though Hispanics, almost all of which are Catholic, are still objects of fear and revulsion.
 
That article has a big fat contradiction:

"Shifting the symposium’s focus to the labor market, Pia M. Orrenius and
Madeline Zavodny estimate that E-Verify lowers wages for unauthorized
male Mexican immigrants, raises wages for US-born Hispanic men,
increases the labor force participation rate of undocumented Mexican
female immigrants, raises employment for Mexican-born naturalized
citizens, and has essentially no effect on whites’ earnings.’
 
Looks like my information was dated or is disputed by other sources. But I was talking about wages, not GDP/person. In terms of wages, the U.S. is second among major countries. Mexico is 35th. Some eastern European nations have gotten slightly ahead of Mexico, but none of the Balkan states has.

But that’s still “comparative advantage”. Mexico’s average annual wage is just below that of Hungary. Do we cut off free entry into the U.S. for #34, but allow unlimited immigration from #35?

Luxembourg has a higher average wage than the U.S. Does Luxembourg have a duty to allow me to work there?

Seriously, at what point do you propose that a duty to allow immigrants for economic advantage over their neighbors in their home countries ends, particularly when it’s entirely possible for a person to live a decent life in his home country?
 
TheLittleLady said:
“All other rights, whatever they are, including property rights and the right of free trade must be subordinated to this norm [the universal destination of goods]; they must not hinder it, but must rather expedite its application. It must be considered a serious and urgent social obligation to refer these rights to their original purpose”.
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What does this mean to you? Does it mean all people should have access to the goods necessary for decent human existence or does it mean “…from each according to his ability and to each according to his need.”

I don’t think the Church has ever endorsed the second. It has, in fact, condemned it.
 
That quote is from the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church which you may read at the Vatican website. Take it up with the Church, this is Doctrine, not my lefty opinion.
 
How about my bolded quote from that document, Little Lady? Post #48? Care to answer that? No one else has taken me up on it.
 
So, the paragraph that I quoted, you just ignore that?
 
I don’t see post numbers on this page… still digging…
 
The government is permitted to regulate immigration. Those laws must first uphold the dignity of people and the rights that are laid out in Catholic Doctrine.

The best answer I have is not my answer, but, that of Bishop Taylor. Pastoral letter, study guide, all available here Welcome the Strangers Among Us | DOLR.org

As a person who has had a conversion of heart on these matters, once I understood how difficult it is for a poor person to immigrate some things clicked.

The last bit of the change was, for me, speaking with people who have come here. I promise you, if my children were facing the crime, terror and unending poverty that these people were facing, and a chance to protect my children was on the other side of a line on a map, this gal would cross that line.

Our system is broken, we need Solomon like wisdom to fix it. I believe that men and women led by God instead of politics will find the answer.
 
I’d like to see a sponsorship program like Canada has, so, a parish or a group of families could sponsor immigrants.
 
The job of the Church is not to insert itself into politics. It’s to be there to share the Good News, teach the faith and administer the sacraments. Obviously the Church must resist evil but I think there’s plenty of argument, in fact the preponderance of reason, as to why strong immigration control is not evil.
 
I would like to see American parishes partner with any parish worldwide that needs help. Then it could be a long-term project, American parishes could help the school, etc.

Let me ask you Little Lady, I understand that the poor are truly suffering and struggling, and often that is due to corrupt government, but do you seriously think that anyone who can sneak across the border should be allowed to stay - - forever? What about the people who are waiting and doing things the “right” way? How can the US stop people who do have criminal backgrounds?
 
TheLittleLady said:
I’d like to see a sponsorship program like Canada has, so, a parish or a group of families could sponsor immigrants.
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It’s possible here. It’s just risky.

When I was a little kid, my parents sponsored a family from Poland. They had been slave laborers in Nazi Germany. When the Iron Curtain descended, they had no place to go, and they were stuck in refugee camps in Germany. People were allowed to sponsor them. My parents had bought a piece of land on which there was a modest “homemade” house, and they had farm work for which they were willing to pay. After a few years, the Poles moved on in life.

Because my parents did that, and in honor of them, I sponsored a family from El Salvador. That’s really risky, because if they had gone on welfare, I would have had to reimburse the government for its expenditures. Luckily, they never did, and I was never called upon to pay. The liability period has since expired. I only met the family once, and they have never thanked me, which is okay, I guess.

Parishes can still do that sort of thing as far as I know, but it’s risky to do it. Frankly, I would like to see some of these self-righteous clerics sponsor people instead of just demanding that the general public take the risks.
 
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I can certainly see that people have a right to immigrate, or is it really the right to emigrate? But does Bishop Taylor think there is a basic right to immigrate to the United States? For everyone? Maybe as Ridgerunner points out, there should be a basic right to immigrate to Luxembourg. For everyone, of course!
"But there is a
right to migrate for those who are exercising their
God-given rights and to meet their God-given obligations,
for instance when necessary to protect
and provide for one’s family or to escape persecution.11
This right to immigrate when necessary
has been affirmed right from the beginning of the
British colonization of the “new world.”12 It and
other rights of immigrants, such as the right to
work, are an extension of our intrinsic and
inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness, as follows:…
 
Could someone possibly clarify whether we are talking specifically about refugees or an immigrant.
Seems to me, lest I be mistaken, Jesus did not take into the account of the ‘letter of the law’ regarding the Sabbath when there was a need.
A country has a right and obligation to protect it’s borders, but lest we forget the suffering that is still subjecting people to death upon escape from corrupt regimes that are burning their cities and seeking to execute them.
As Chesterton would say, “My country right or wrong, is like My Mother sober or drunk”…
Our nations laws would not supercede the command of Christ to love our neighbor for His sake.
 
I am talking about the bishop allying himself with groups that are pro-illegal immigrant, and that I perceive to be leftist. Refugees need our urgent help - - I’m not talking about them here.
 
Hmmm, I’m not talking about the white population shrinking, or celebrating diversity. I am talking about legal - vs illegal immigration, no matter what area the unauthorized are from, or what “skin color” they are.
I must say, your comment seems to border on racism, if not outright racist?
 
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Perhaps there needs to be a closer look at the laws with immigration reform, not simply a wall…walls can be taken down.
There is also a law that abortion is legal, does it make it acceptable?
The loudest reason for reform should be the alleviation of immigrant exploitation. I call it the other side of the coin less talked about.
Wage slavery while they pay into a tax base they will never benefit from (and yes, they DO)
 
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