Diocese mandating Communion in hand due to epidemic

[Kindnessmatters]

The restriction was not put in place here…it was a parish in China where it is an epidemic. “Wild fire” is accurate. In the time I have read this string two more cases were reported in the US news.

I don’t know if this is what they had, but I know about five people in the Chicago suburbs who have had the flu since Christmas and are just now starting to feel back to normal. It was horrible enough that we cancelled a lot of events. My sister avoided my elderly mom for a month…they normally are together twice a week.

I also consider that half of priests are over 72. Perhaps it is best if parishioners not breath on their hands.

 

[pnewton]

Should we pretend that all beliefs are equal?

No doctrine is being discussed here.

Did it occur to you that other factors might be involved in the decline of faith (in the United States and Europe) across all of Christendom might have another cause, like the rise of secular humanism, materialism, and the sexual revolution? That would seem a tad more causative than the placement of the Body of Christ when we receive communion.

 

[pnewton]

I also consider that half of priests are over 72. Perhaps it is best if parishioners not breath on their hands.

I read that elderly men are most at risk. This might have also been a factor.

 

[CatholicSooner]

CatholicSooner:

Should we pretend that all beliefs are equal?

No doctrine is being discussed here.

Did it occur to you that other factors might be involved in the decline of faith (in the United States and Europe) across all of Christendom might have another cause, like the rise of secular humanism, materialism, and the sexual revolution? That would seem a tad more causative than the placement of the Body of Christ when we receive communion.

Of course there are more than one reason. However, our faith and beliefs in regards to the Church effect those other reasons greatly.

If I adhere to Church teaching and realize the real presence in the blessed sacrement, I am less likely to succumb to secular practices

 

[CatholicSooner]

I’ll also add that I’m pretty sure that those that think my views are wrong hold their own opinions as better than mine. And that doesn’t bother me. Atleast if you didn’t think your way was better, why even bother discussing it?

 

[phil19034]

As long as this is temporary, I think it’s not worth fighting.

 

[pnewton]

Well, the answer is no. The bread and wine remain bread and wine, physically. Spiritually they become the body, blood soul & divinity of Ghost, but they are also still bread and wine.

Not to get all metaphysical, but they substantially become the Body and Blood. Think in terms of Jesus. He was not just spiritually God. He was totally God. Yet he was not immune to the suffering in his body. The Eucharist is likewise just as much God, but still subject to being a carrier of disease.

 

[PetraG]

More than one…the news releases from around the US are stacking up like cord wood. Thousands of people travel between the US and China daily so it will be here.

We fortunately have cleaner air, much less dense populations, better sanitation, less reliance on public transportation. We live in larger homes with fewer people…four people in three bedrooms rather than seven people sleeping in one room. It will likely be a concern here, but not nrsrly to the extent it is there.

It’s actually not at the “wildfire” stage yet, and let’s hope it doesn’t get there.
For instance: influenza has caused 54 pediatric deaths this year. Overall, influenza is estimated to have been responsible for 15 million illnesses, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the United States, and January isn’t over yet. That is wildfire and it is obviously very deadly, with probably a very similar mode of transmission.

Something far deadlier than the coronavirus lurks near you

Fear the flu.

www.oregonlive.com

The coronavirus may or may not have a higher mortality rate–it is very hard to tell at this point–but far more people will contract influenza this year and there are certainly far more carriers around us.

 

[CatholicSooner]

The Pew Study has been shown, more than once, to not be accurate.
First of all, they did not ask if one was a “practicing Catholic” or not. I know many people who identify as Catholic who have not set foot in a Church for more than 30 years.
Then, there is the question,“Does the bread and wine physically become the body & blood of Jesus?”

Well, the answer is no. The bread and wine remain bread and wine, physically. Spiritually they become the body, blood soul & divinity of Ghost, but they are also still bread and wine.

It is fine to have your own opinions. It is not fine to hold that your opinions are more correct than those of the Church.

Sounds like semantics to me…

 

[CatholicSooner]

I get that, but the way they asked the question in the study was wrong.
The accidents of bread and wine still remain. We are not actually consumimg the actual flesh of Jesus.

Actually we are.

And most CAtholics would understand the question being asked of them

 

[paperwight]

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Sounds like semantics to me…
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Not at all. It’s vital to understand the difference between, ‘physical’ and ‘substantial’,

The Church describes the Real Presence as a new mode of presence,. Jesus is really, truly and substantially present. It is not a physical presence as we perceive objects and people. It is not subject to decay, nor limited in time and space as things that are physically present are.
We are trying to explain to you the basics of surveys which have to be clarified before their ‘results’ are thrown about willynilly.
Results of surveys depend on what is asked, and of whom it is asked.

 

[CilladeRoma]

Thank you!

 

[maryjk]

First of all, they did not ask if one was a “practicing Catholic” or not. I know many people who identify as Catholic who have not set foot in a Church for more than 30 years.

Heck, my husband is “Catholic.” He was baptized in the Church, over 50 years ago. He has never regularly attended Mass. My sister is also “Catholic.” She hasn’t regularly attended Mass for about 40 years.

Surveys need to be clear.
The Pew Survey is pretty well known for getting it wrong.

 

[CatholicSooner]

CatholicSooner:

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Sounds like semantics to me…

Not at all. It’s vital to understand the difference between, ‘physical’ and ‘substantial’,

The Church describes the Real Presence as a new mode of presence,. Jesus is really, truly and substantially present. It is not a physical presence as we perceive objects and people. It is not subject to decay, nor limited in time and space as things that are physically present are.
We are trying to explain to you the basics of surveys which have to be clarified before their ‘results’ are thrown about willynilly.
Results of surveys depend on what is asked, and of whom it is asked.
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When someone asks you if you really believe Jesus is physically present in the Eurcharist, do you reply no? Or do you understand what the person is getting at and say yes?

99% of Catholics that believe in the true presence are going to say yes because they understand the essence of the question.

 

[CatholicSooner]

CilladeRoma:

First of all, they did not ask if one was a “practicing Catholic” or not. I know many people who identify as Catholic who have not set foot in a Church for more than 30 years.

Heck, my husband is “Catholic.” He was baptized in the Church, over 50 years ago. He has never regularly attended Mass. My sister is also “Catholic.” She hasn’t regularly attended Mass for about 40 years.

Surveys need to be clear.
The Pew Survey is pretty well known for getting it wrong.

I’m sorry but this is just wishful thinking that the survey is wrong. It is denying the dire status of the faithful.

And the survey did ask if people were practicing catholics. It is right there in the numbers

 

[paperwight]

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When someone asks you if you really believe Jesus is physically present in the Eurcharist, do you reply no? Or do you understand what the person is getting at and say yes?

99% of Catholics that believe in the true presence are going to say yes because they understand the essence of the question.
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Where do you get that 99% from? Have you asked everybody?

And yes, I would answer no to your question ‘Do you believe Jesus is physically present in the Blessed Sacrament’. because that is not what the church teaches. Look up the definition of the Real Presence. It is a new and unique mode of presence, says the church. He is really, truly and substantially present, but not how we perceive other things through our senses. The physical accidents remain, but He is not in the physical accidents./attributes. If it were a physical presence, then the larger the Host you received, the more Jesus you would have. You don’t believe that, surely?

I would hope that no Catholic is so ill-informed as to confuse ‘real’ with ‘physical’ . Certainly not 99%. of them.

And again, where on earth did you get that figure from?

 

[njlisa]

I fail to see how receiving communion in the hand is somehow more sanitary than receiving it on the tongue. The Sacred Host travels from a hand into the mouth in either case.

 

[CatholicSooner]

CatholicSooner:

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When someone asks you if you really believe Jesus is physically present in the Eurcharist, do you reply no? Or do you understand what the person is getting at and say yes?

99% of Catholics that believe in the true presence are going to say yes because they understand the essence of the question.

Where do you get that 99% from? Have you asked everybody?

And yes, I would answer no to your question ‘Do you believe Jesus is physically present in the Blessed Sacrament’. because that is not what the church teaches. Look up the definition of the Real Presence. It is a new and unique mode of presence, says the church. He is really, truly and substantially present, but not how we perceive other things through our senses. The physical accidents remain, but He is not in the physical accidents./attributes. If it were a physical presence, then the larger the Host you received, the more Jesus you would have. You don’t believe that, surely?

I would hope that no Catholic is so ill-informed as to confuse ‘real’ with ‘physical’ . Certainly not 99%. of them.

And again, where on earth did you get that figure from?
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The point just went over your head unfortunately

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

The CDC is showing appropriate vigilance. The virus is not currently “spreading like wildfire.”

Did I say that? I dont think so. But given today it has shown up in several more countries, Australia included with 3 confirmed cases, and France with 1 so far, the halt of the spread of this virus seems like it will only happen after this has run its course. The horse has bolted. It does spread by hand to surface contact. So I am not sure that limiting the Eucharist to hand only will be that effective in the stop of the spread, if that is the aim.

When a disease is bad enough for the CDC to close all the salad bars, it’s probably going to be bad enough to just ban salads, that’s all I’m saying.

This virus has already shut down the McDonalds salad bar so to speak in a few places in china, and Disneyland in China. It is going to be the cause of quite a few more shut downs before its done circumnavigating the globe.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

he experiments say that the wine does not disinfect the cup, t

Wine does not disinfect a cup. Wiping the cup after each person with linens only spreads any bacteria on the surface. The number one bacteria and virus receptacle in a kitchen is its dishcloths and linens. Whomever did that survey that says it cuts down organisms on the cup probably did not bother then swabbing the linens and then swabbing after the next swipe.