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childinthefaith
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Great points. It’s not like someone is going to be excommunicated for disagreeing. They don’t take your “Catholic ID Card” away
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pnewton
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I will disagree, both on whether it was fair, and your opinion of the essence of what I said. I believe the latter to be wrong as a matter of grammar. It is frustrating to be rephrased so poorly. I have no problem considering reason, but reason must start with an accurate and honest assessment of what the other is saying. Therefore, until I see reasoned response to what I actually said, my own counsel I will keep on matters I have been given authority over.
To the OP, nothing I have said means I disagree with the bishops who have canceled public mass. In fact, I agree with the measure. However, I also understand your objection and hope we can soon move forward, even if it is increments.
To the OP, nothing I have said means I disagree with the bishops who have canceled public mass. In fact, I agree with the measure. However, I also understand your objection and hope we can soon move forward, even if it is increments.
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Catholic_Guy1
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The virus will not go away until there is a vaccine or most of the population get it and become immune. We need to get through the initial spike and then go about our lives with caution. I miss Jesus in the Eucharist as well.
blackforest
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??? Not exactly the point I was making.
Emeraldlady
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It must be very disheartening for the clergy to have to defend the Church against Catholics who’ve got nothing better to do than dump on the Church in this devastating time. What the heck is wrong with people.
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mary15
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I am thinking that if I have had it and am recovering well, I can at some point donate blood and hopefully the anti bodies in it.
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Tucci
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No. It does not kill everyone. It kills some. How many and whom? Please do the research. For example, it does not kill children under nine. Zero deaths worldwide for children under nine. The numbers are public on the WHO and CDC websites. So are the numbers for previous years’ overall mortality rates in this and other countries.
I am not dismissing the virus. I am saying that accuracy is important and perspective is extremely important.
Especially if you are going to shut down entire countries. If you had to guess by how much Europe’s overall mortality rate has increased as compared to the first three months of the most recent years, what would you guess? The fact is that the overall European mortality rate is still at or below normal.
Do you have even a vague guess at the US overall mortality rate? How many die from suicide every year? How many are dying per month or per week in our country from stress and heart attacks? (How many have and will die as a direct result of the quarantine?)
If you don’t know the answers to these questions you have no way of putting the numbers reported by the news into context. Do some research, do some math. Please at least question the major media.
Any number can be made to sound scary. Any picture from ICU is terrifying.
I abide by the bishops’ decision and I am thankful I am not in their terrible position of responsibility. I am sure they have many good reasons, some of which might not even enter into my head. I am thankful to be a catholic who must humbly submit to Apostolic authority. But my feelings are entirely with the OP.
I am not dismissing the virus. I am saying that accuracy is important and perspective is extremely important.
Especially if you are going to shut down entire countries. If you had to guess by how much Europe’s overall mortality rate has increased as compared to the first three months of the most recent years, what would you guess? The fact is that the overall European mortality rate is still at or below normal.
Do you have even a vague guess at the US overall mortality rate? How many die from suicide every year? How many are dying per month or per week in our country from stress and heart attacks? (How many have and will die as a direct result of the quarantine?)
If you don’t know the answers to these questions you have no way of putting the numbers reported by the news into context. Do some research, do some math. Please at least question the major media.
Any number can be made to sound scary. Any picture from ICU is terrifying.
I abide by the bishops’ decision and I am thankful I am not in their terrible position of responsibility. I am sure they have many good reasons, some of which might not even enter into my head. I am thankful to be a catholic who must humbly submit to Apostolic authority. But my feelings are entirely with the OP.
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davetv
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actually chaplains are provided in war so those fighting can receive the sacraments.
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davetv
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Funny how many Catholics are ok with the government saying the church is non-essential. Everyone is still getting their drive-thru Starbuck & McDonalds and hunting for Toilet Paper at Walmart. Shows you what we REALLY value. "when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?” Luke 18:8
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englands123
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So what would you suggest instead?
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OurLadyofSorrows
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That is incorrect, there are children with it and children that have died from it.
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pnewton
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I had already thought of the logistics of celebrating the Feast of Corpus Christi by making the Holy Sacrament available to all Catholics. I have considered a sort of drive through, with the priest blessing those that came through with the Holy Eucharist as they left, sort of a reverse parade.
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VonDerTann
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You are wrong, wrong, WRONG.
The virus can and does kill everyone; news stories are showing daily more and more deaths of healthy young people. Your claims that the virus can’t kill young children is false. The same people who are disagreeing with me on this thread - who imply this is a disease claiming only the sick and elderly - are now acknowledging that children are dying; your pal Joe Freedom was talking about crocodile tears being shed for the first newborn death.
“Please do the research?” There isn’t much research and what there is changes day to day. The “experts” freely admit that they really don’t know a lot about this virus. A new study out today by the University of Nebraska shows the virus is aerosolized, i.e. It’s in the air, not just hard surfaces. Wouldn’t it be better to err on the side of caution?
Interesting that to you, it’s “no one under 9 gets it.” Last week I saw someone saying it was “no one under 18.” I’m sure there are some who will eventually say “no one born during a 9 day span in 2016 will ever get this!”
I am reluctant to reveal this, but my wife works at a hospital where a newborn baby has covid-19. The baby’s mother - against medical advice - wanted to show her newborn to her family, and she took the baby to a virus hotspot and now both the baby and many of the extended family have covid. Mom wants to sue DW’s hospital, since she won’t acknowledge that it was her own family that got her baby sick.
In your zeal to be correct, and to trash me, your attitude - tell random strangers there’s no danger to kids - gets people killed.
If you like, I’ll PM you the obit if God forbid the baby dies.
There’s your “research.”
Enjoy your day cocooned in your warm house. My wife’s off to work. I’m going to help her do so.
Bye.
The virus can and does kill everyone; news stories are showing daily more and more deaths of healthy young people. Your claims that the virus can’t kill young children is false. The same people who are disagreeing with me on this thread - who imply this is a disease claiming only the sick and elderly - are now acknowledging that children are dying; your pal Joe Freedom was talking about crocodile tears being shed for the first newborn death.
“Please do the research?” There isn’t much research and what there is changes day to day. The “experts” freely admit that they really don’t know a lot about this virus. A new study out today by the University of Nebraska shows the virus is aerosolized, i.e. It’s in the air, not just hard surfaces. Wouldn’t it be better to err on the side of caution?
Interesting that to you, it’s “no one under 9 gets it.” Last week I saw someone saying it was “no one under 18.” I’m sure there are some who will eventually say “no one born during a 9 day span in 2016 will ever get this!”
I am reluctant to reveal this, but my wife works at a hospital where a newborn baby has covid-19. The baby’s mother - against medical advice - wanted to show her newborn to her family, and she took the baby to a virus hotspot and now both the baby and many of the extended family have covid. Mom wants to sue DW’s hospital, since she won’t acknowledge that it was her own family that got her baby sick.
In your zeal to be correct, and to trash me, your attitude - tell random strangers there’s no danger to kids - gets people killed.
If you like, I’ll PM you the obit if God forbid the baby dies.
There’s your “research.”
Enjoy your day cocooned in your warm house. My wife’s off to work. I’m going to help her do so.
Bye.
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VonDerTann
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You never answered any of the questions I posed.
I’m in no position to demand answers.
But all of the questions would need answering, and the “answers,” such as they exist, are to put more people, and more priests, in places where a very potent virus can spread. Those answers make the problem worse.
I’m in no position to demand answers.
But all of the questions would need answering, and the “answers,” such as they exist, are to put more people, and more priests, in places where a very potent virus can spread. Those answers make the problem worse.
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VonDerTann
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Because, and I’m sad to say this, mass isn’t essential, at least week to week.
Sailors; prisoners; astronauts; etc., clearly have agreed with me.
Sailors; prisoners; astronauts; etc., clearly have agreed with me.
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paperwight
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As indeed, does the Church, as shown by Mass happening in mission countries only infrequently, in some cases. I suppose someone could argue that in those cases, the local people keep together by prayer meetings, catechesis sessions etc. led by lay leaders, but those things are not compulsory.
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phil3
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When suicide, heart attacks, and stress become contagious then this statement will make sense.
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TotvsTvvs
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The problem is that you’re not risking your own health. You’re risking everyone else’s too.
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TC3033
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I haven’t done McDonalds or Starbucks yet, but have supported a handful of local restaurants via curbside and hit one Taco Bell drive thru. You know what I was able to do that entire time…practice social distancing.
Can do the same thing there too…
Are you able to watch the Mass from your current location? Maybe ask about starting a “drive in” Mass?
It sounds like you’re more interested in catering to the inconvenienced few who would still go to Mass and continue the spread, there for us responsible would continue under a “shelter in place order”, rather than “sucking it up” for a few weeks so we all can return to normal as best we can.
Or you’re taking the contrary view for arguments sake. Not quite sure.
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puer.dei
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What worries me is that there seem to be people who either don’t understand that, or just flat don’t care.
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