Disagreeing with Canceling Holy Week

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No, dave, you are wrong, and let’s not forget you’re the one who vanished when I put some questions to you that you apparently didn’t want to answer.

Sometimes the true problems are complex enough to require complex answers. The virus is one of them. The pace of the virus’ spread renders very simplistic these simple plans of “let’s get mass going by selling tickets on line!” The same is true of flippant statements like “the infection rate is low so this isn’t a problem!” (Which seems to be what you are saying).

Now, by way of response to you:

First, essentially all of the WHO’s data comes from CHINA - which shamefully lies about essentially everything. The virus came from China and some think it is a bioweapon gone wrong. China claims ZERO Chinese died of the Wuhan virus in March 2020. Zero. Do you beleive that? If so I have a bridge for sale. Radio Free Asia reports the true Chinese death toll is more like 400,000. The WHO has been called a Chinese mouthpiece. It is not per se reliable.

I know you don’t like my questions, but I’ll ask another:

Do you believe at face value all information the Chinese government disseminates about the virus?

What percent of the population gets the virus assumes 100% of the population gets tested. The test rate alone is the merest fraction of the community.
The alleged infection rate, even if true, is meaningless.

Further, since the gross numbers of the infected keeps rising, any particular snapshot of the infection rate is per se inaccurate by a day later.
 
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In our case the Penal Code art 202,203 contemplates the case of people who propagate a dangerous and contagious disease and there are fines, and jail from 3 to 15 years .
So it only took enforcing it and as you say , so just wondering if it is contemplated in your Code as well.
Vehicles have been confiscated and persons who after even been warned, and accompanied by the police to their domicile ,just picked the car and left immediately after :roll_eyes:.
Several under house arrest for now
It is a crime here( delito).
But that isn’t what is keeping the vast majority by far at home…
 
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I didn’t cite numbers from China. I used Italy. I see you like to accuse people of thinking conspiratorial but you do the same when you bring up China. So we need to believe only YOUR conspiracies?

I used Italy numbers on purpose.
 
But dave, the test rate is the limiting factor. The more people get tested the more the infection rate climbs. Unless everyone gets tested the claimed infection rate is 100% meaningless.
 
davetv said:
You are VERY wrong. 001% of the Italian population have contracted the virus and of that number kill rate is 11%.

This is based on numbers you can find on the WHO site and simple math.
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davetv, two glaring things you may not see. Italy is still at the top of the curve at best and the final tally of infection and death is a long way off.

Secondly, this is their complete lockdown figures. Without the lockdown it would have spread far more virulently. Your logic that Italy proves a case for lax measures is way off.
 
I’m curious, dave - are you trying to say Wuhan virus isn’t really a problem? That all these deaths worldwide are just not a serious problem? Is that your point?
 
Sweden has NO lockdown. There numbers are 4.38% have gotten the virus and of those .0002% have died.

Should we be careful? yes. But, everyone is freaking out over a “pandemic” that is on track to be the weakest pandemic in history.
 
They are moving it tighter now. As from Sunday, instead of 500 persons meetings( which they required a permission for) it will be 50.
I read their government page days ago because the Sweden case is kind of circulating as an exception.
 
So, to you, a pandemic with maybe 400,000 Chinese deaths, and an expected death toll of perhaps 240,000 in the US alone, is “weak.”

That’s a death toll that equals US combat deaths in WWII.

So, to you, what death toll do you consider to be high enough that concern doesn’t constitute “freaking out?”
 
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davetv said:
Sweden has NO lockdown. There numbers are 4.38% have gotten the virus and of those .0002% have died.

Should we be careful? yes. But, everyone is freaking out over a “pandemic” that is on track to be the weakest pandemic in history.
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I still don’t get your logic. You seem to be suggesting that the figures are low (in your estimation) because they’d have been low regardless of all the lockdown measures or not? Is that what your are saying about the character of this virus? That if we all pulled back on these measures the numbers would just stay the same?
 
Yes it’s a problem. Yes it’s a serious problem. My point is the reaction to it is a BIGGER problem.
 
davetv said:
Sweden has NO lockdown. There numbers are 4.38% have gotten the virus and of those .0002% have died.

Should we be careful? yes. But, everyone is freaking out over a “pandemic” that is on track to be the weakest pandemic in history.
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Officials relying on the honour system hoping Swedes follow recommendations, some do but also some don’t. Health workers stressed about that. Is the curve flattening for Sweden? Don’t think so. Maybe they will introduce stronger measures.
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So, to you, what death toll do you consider to be high enough that concern doesn’t constitute “freaking out?”
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“Freaking out” is what happens when twice as many patients overun your hospital than you have beds for, like Italy and Spain.
A stitch in time, saves nine.
Pay me now, or pay me (much more) later.
 
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I’m curious, emeraldlady, how many people saying this virus isn’t a problem would have the courage to walk through a covid ward at any US or western European hospital without a full spacesuit on.

I doubt very many.
 
So we should stop people from driving cars because people will get into accidents and die? IF you say no then you are responsible for all those death.

Hyperbole is a weak argument.
 
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I’m curious, emeraldlady, how many people saying this virus isn’t a problem would have the courage to walk through a covid ward at any US or western European hospital without a full spacesuit on.

I doubt very many.
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I agree. The position is coming from a very insular perspective.
 
So, you admit covid is a big problem.

Is the bigger problem - what? No mass?

What’s worse, 240,000 US deaths, or dave can’t go to mass for a few weeks?
 
Actually it’s a very good argument.

Does that mean you would walk through a covid ward? If so, PM me and I’ll help you volunteer at a hospital near you.
 
Well I still deliver food to the poor without a face mask and space suit.
 
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