Discrimination based on Sexual Orientation

[mcliffor]

Is non-exclusive, non-married, non-Catholic heterosexual behavior a right then?.

No.

Should non-straight people be forced to wear a pink triangle then, so the good, upstanding people may know them and shun them?

If by non-straight people you mean people caught up in the homsexual lifestyle, then they already do wear their sexuality on their sleeves. Rainbow flags, rainbow sashes, rainbow anything that people will notice. “We’re here. We’re queer. Get used to it.”

If the latter, I shall wear it proudly, whether or not my life, lifestyle, and orientation conform to the prevailing code, from sheer solidarity, regardless of my own orientation or practice.

Conforming to the “prevailing code,” is called abstaining from sin, and it is a duty every human being. It is the will of God that all men should conform their lives to the Natural Law. Obstinantly refusing to comply with the Natural Law is evil, plain and simple.

Quit trying to compare this to fascism or segregation. It’s not. Making evil choices ought to come with consequences.

 

[mcliffor]

Homosexual acts are wrong not the orientation. We just don’t know what causes the orientation. I have read all the pschobabble that says distant father, overbearing mother and all that bull. None of it fit me. I grew up in a nice Catholic suburban family and no control over homosexual attraction. The only thing I knew is that I could control behavior.

First off, the effective treatment of homosexual tendencies proves that none of that is “bull.” It’s valid psychological research. You only list two examples. Other factors might include the role of same-sex peers in childhood, hand eye coordination, and the role of mother and father in early development.

God, through the gift of reason, also teaches us that such tendencies, not just the behavior, are abnormal and objectively disordered. This is something everyone must accept, since no one is exempt from the Natural Law.

 

[fix]

Homosexual acts are wrong not the orientation.

The inclination is disordered. This is a philosophical understanding. It is not a sin, but the inclination is not ordered to the good.

A married man who desires a woman other than his wife has a disordered desire as well. A man who desires sex with children has a disordered inclination as well. We can list all types of disordered inclinations. None of them make one culpable before God, but none of those inclinations are ordered correctly.

 

[mcliffor]

You’ll never know the homosexual unless he chooses to out himself or someone outs him. Unless you have a sixth sense.

A homosexual is by definition someone who has embraced their SSA as a sexual identity. There is really no “coming out of the closet.” That would suggest that SSA is something permanent, something people are born with and need to learn to accept and come to terms with, and that going from SSA to homosexual is the natural progression.

 

[goofyjim]

Goodbye for now. I’ll simply play the silent observer. If an employer ever finds out about my homosexual leanings and fires me I will sue him.

 

[goofyjim]

A homosexual is by definition someone who has embraced their SSA as a sexual identity. There is really no “coming out of the closet.” That would suggest that SSA is something permanent, something people are born with and need to learn to accept and come to terms with, and that going from SSA to homosexual is the natural progression.

SSA is permanent. I have already explained it is something I was conscious of at age 4 or 5. What factors could have been reversed? I prayed and prayed for it to be taken away but the Lord has consoled me that it is okay despite what anyone says to the contrary. My duty is to remain celibate.

 

[goofyjim]

If someone can be fired for sexual orientation then maybe they should be discriminated against for being divorced and remarried as well. Sounds only fair but then again you’re looking at firing 50% of the population.

 

[estesbob]

If someone can be fired for sexual orientation then maybe they should be discriminated against for being divorced and remarried as well. Sounds only fair but then again you’re looking at firing 50% of the population.

As an employer i can fire someone for any reason i want as long as it is not for reasons of race , gender , age or country of national origin. i can , if i want, fire someone becuase they are homosexual or because they are divorced or becuase i dont like the sports team they root for. I dont have to tolerate people in MY company that I dont like working around… That may seem harsh but if people dont like the rules they can go start their own company.

 

[mcliffor]

SSA is permanent. I have already explained it is something I was conscious of at age 4 or 5. What factors could have been reversed? I prayed and prayed for it to be taken away but the Lord has consoled me that it is okay despite what anyone says to the contrary. My duty is to remain celibate.

First off, some things can’t be prayed away. I can pray all I want, but God would have to work a miracle to bring my grandma back from the dead. Likewise, you can’t pray your way out of a sexual disorder. If you read accounts of people who came out of SSA, they always had to seek treatment from psychologists, the earlier the better. Like cancer, it isn’t always effectively treated. As far as it being ok, yes, you aren’t sinning by being attracted to men and can certainly be a good and pious Catholic, but the condition itself is still disordered. The condition is not OK, you having it is. You’re duty is not only to remain celibate but to accept with the affirmation of the intellect and the soul these Church teachings.

That being said, this thread is about laws. I would appreciate it if you could stop making it a personal issue and stick with more objective arguments, lest the thread be derailed.

 

[mcliffor]

As an employer i can fire someone for any reason i want as long as it is not for reasons of race , gender , age or country of national origin. i can , if i want, fire someone becuase they are homosexual or because they are divorced or becuase i dont like the sports team they root for. I dont have to tolerate people in MY company that I dont like working around… That may seem harsh but if people dont like the rules they can go start their own company.

Frankly, the laws in place seem silly to me. There are certainly jobs that a man would be better at than a woman and jobs were a wiser old person would be of more value than someone fresh out of college. Ethnicities also share different values, which would certainly effect how the perform at work. The state is wrong in telling us that these things don’t mean anything and coercing us to comply.

 

[Polaris]

Frankly, the laws in place seem silly to me. There are certainly jobs that a man would be better at than a woman and jobs were a wiser old person would be of more value than someone fresh out of college. Ethnicities also share different values, which would certainly effect how the perform at work. The state is wrong in telling us that these things don’t mean anything and coercing us to comply.

:bigyikes: I get home from work and this is the first thing I read… I am ignoring you from now on you scare me. I disagreed with you but was OK with you until you wrote this. Im sure there is a nice KKK meating or Black panthers or chauvinists-are-us what ever near you. Go join you will fit in great.

 

[sosayi1960]

Repulsive to them for now. I suspect pediophiles will be the next minority group the left takes up for.

Lets have genetic testing done. If there is some indication they must be gay then abort the fetus. That outta make the “right” happy. There won’t be a concern about the problem. The answer is according the right kill the abnormality. Make the problem go away am I right?

 

[Polaris]

The quote does not say or mean that and you know it. Now who is being dishonest.
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Then what does it say? Why does it mention in the paragraph Contagious disease, and mental illness… You say the church does not liken it to them, then why does it put it in the same paragraph, if it has no relation. You also say it does not mean instutionalization and that clear. Its not clear to me the the talk about limiting a active gays right and then it talks about contagious disease and the mentally ill. What happened to the TB guy, society had the right to institutionalize him to. What happens to the menatlly ill, they are Institutionalize, to protect society and themselves. From your view point tell me why it includes these illnesses?

 

[sosayi1960]

Then what does it say? Why does it mention in the paragraph Contagious disease, and mental illness… You say the church does not liken it to them, then why does it put it in the same paragraph, if it has no relation. You also say it does not mean instutionalization and that clear. Its not clear to me the the talk about limiting a active gays right and then it talks about contagious disease and the mentally ill. What happened to the TB guy, society had the right to institutionalize him to. What happens to the menatlly ill, they are Institutionalize, to protect society and themselves. From your view point tell me why it includes these illnesses?

My point was saying the “Left” would support Pedophies? How cruel is that. The church has been in that business. So many people want to get rid of so many problems. Isn’t the answer from the conservatives just kill them? I mean it’s so much easier and is really cost effective. I’m not advocating Gay rights. I’m advocating human rights. Some people love to pick and choose even human dignity.

 

[Polaris]

My point was saying the “Left” would support Pedophies? How cruel is that. The church has been in that business. So many people want to get rid of so many problems. Isn’t the answer from the conservatives just kill them? I mean it’s so much easier and is really cost effective. I’m not advocating Gay rights. I’m advocating human rights. Some people love to pick and choose even human dignity.

That was to blessedtoo I never said anything about you post. I understood what your were trying to do hehehehe

 

[mcliffor]

:bigyikes: I get home from work and this is the first thing I read… I am ignoring you from now on you scare me. I disagreed with you but was OK with you until you wrote this. Im sure there is a nice KKK meating or Black panthers or chauvinists-are-us what ever near you. Go join you will fit in great.

Probably a good thing that you stop posting. This thread seeks to clarify the stance of the Church concerning certian issues. Not the beliefs of the the far left or your own personal quams with Church teaching.
Your readiness to lump all those people who oppose forced egalitarianism and affirmative action with the KKK scares me a lot more. These issues are all part of the culture wars. They hurt society.

 

[mcliffor]

Lets have genetic testing done. If there is some indication they must be gay then abort the fetus. That outta make the “right” happy. There won’t be a concern about the problem. The answer is according the right kill the abnormality. Make the problem go away am I right?

Right, because the homosexual lifestyle is genetic and wanting a healthy society is the same as eugenics.

One of the mose non-sensical and ridiculous tactics of the Left is to label people who oppose their worldview as evil fascists, nazis, eugenicists or other evil extremists. I have news for you. The Nazis were socialists!

 

[goofyjim]

As an employer i can fire someone for any reason i want as long as it is not for reasons of race , gender , age or country of national origin. i can , if i want, fire someone becuase they are homosexual or because they are divorced or becuase i dont like the sports team they root for. I dont have to tolerate people in MY company that I dont like working around… That may seem harsh but if people dont like the rules they can go start their own company.

And if I ever get my own company I can do the same thing. If they don’t abide by my rules of acceptance they can get fired for being too heterosexual.

 

[goofyjim]

Probably a good thing that you stop posting. This thread seeks to clarify the stance of the Church concerning certian issues. Not the beliefs of the the far left or your own personal quams with Church teaching.
Your readiness to lump all those people who oppose forced egalitarianism and affirmative action with the KKK scares me a lot more. These issues are all part of the culture wars. They hurt society.

The Church has stated that housing discirmination is unjust. I agree that there should be professions where they shouldn’t be like teaching, but all else is considered unjust discrimination. They are not likely to cause scandal at a desk job no matter what their sexual orientation might be.

 

[Polaris]

Lets have genetic testing done. If there is some indication they must be gay then abort the fetus. That outta make the “right” happy. There won’t be a concern about the problem. The answer is according the right kill the abnormality. Make the problem go away am I right?

Hmmm I think you have a good idea there, but the “right” would not accept killing an infant. Unless it involves Bomb and Lots of them. So if you put the word WAR in any statement they will jump right on that ship. So first declare war on homosexuals . Im sure you can rationalize it as a “Just War” after all the are a real threat to our society and we have a right to protect it. So then The Conservatives will feel free to justly kill all the homosexuals, you then can put the kids with homoesexaul tendencies in concetration camps like the US did to Japansese. It is for our protection after all.

(I dont usually do this but Im going to have a little fun since I have been labelded a Leftist, I listen to both sides and consider what they say and how they think so I can parrot either one) Geee its fun!