Discrimination based on Sexual Orientation

[blessedtoo]

What a drag that this thread has devolved into silliness, defensiveness, political rhetoric, and ad hominem attacks.

This is a Catholic forum, not a political debate site. There is no “left” or “right” and if we start setting up camps like we belong to a religious democracy, we will end up divided. Our Church is not a demoncracy and we don’t get a vote. If there is a problem with our understanding of Church teaching, it is our responsibility to correct OUR problem by conforming our thinking with the 2,000 (and even further back) years of theology that precedes our miniscule moments of existence. If you don’t understand what the Catechism states, or what the documents mean, or what the encyclical’s entail, do the research.

I am going to lift a post by a wise member from another thread and suggest you take it to heart:

Instead consider reshaping how you discuss the troublesome issues. In conversation, don’t say you “disagree” with Church teaching on them, just admit that you have ‘difficulties’ with that issue and decline to engage in debate. Don’t push your opinion. For heavens sake, don’t go trying to convert others to your difficulty! Admit that you haven’t been able to submit to these teachings, but that you continue to pray to God that the Truth will set you free. I bet you’ll find that all but the most abrasive jerks will respect you in this and accept you happily in parish life.
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[Polaris]

What a drag that this thread has devolved into silliness, defensiveness, political rhetoric, and ad hominem attacks.

This is a Catholic forum, not a political debate site. There is no “left” or “right” and if we start setting up camps like we belong to a religious democracy, we will end up divided. Our Church is not a demoncracy and we don’t get a vote. If there is a problem with our understanding of Church teaching, it is our responsibility to correct OUR problem by conforming our thinking with the 2,000 (and even further back) years of theology that precedes our miniscule moments of existence. If you don’t understand what the Catechism states, or what the documents mean, or what the encyclical’s entail, do the research.

I am going to lift a post by a wise member from another thread and suggest you take it to heart:

I agree with the Politics even though I dived into it but I was having fun. I apologize heheheh

Parts of me agree and parts of me disagree the problem with the church is that its interpretations change over the years it lack consistency. If you are going to say you have the fullness of truth then show me that this fullness has always been there instead of developed. How can you saw we a have always had the fulness of truth look how your interpretations of scripture changes overtime or what your official documents mean. For instance If I compare the interpretation of No salvation outside the church today with that compared 1500 years ago the interpretation is much different. The theologians at the time definately did not have the same view as now. Or how about woman in the church definately not the same interpritation as now look at the traditionalist if you do not believe me. I do the research thats part of my problem. I qustion a lot and learn sometimes the church is illogical waves its hands and say well its a mystery, or we dont know, Well how do you say you have the fullness of truth when you cant answer all questions or you logic is sometimes flawed and when pointed out by well you say thats different and do not explain how. Im not talking about homosexuality here either. Like mysterous doctrines appearing along the way wich in now way comes from tradition nor scripture.
Sorry for that rant but It builds up.

 

[sosayi1960]

Right, because the homosexual lifestyle is genetic and wanting a healthy society is the same as eugenics.

One of the mose non-sensical and ridiculous tactics of the Left is to label people who oppose their worldview as evil fascists, nazis, eugenicists or other evil extremists. I have news for you. The Nazis were socialists!

I know all the problems of the world are because of “leftist”. In your vision of the world we all make money. To heck with the poor. Force rape victums to carry to term. Let the children starve who are born. That’s ok if that’s what you believe. I belive in God who desires Mercy and not sacrifice. Rush and Ann are druggies, and that’s ok. Pedophile Priests are ok too because they are conservative. There is just as much so much hatred. When is it going to cease. When are we going to be united again? In the world, In the church? we must agree on one part, the world is in terrible shape. We need God to clean up the mess.

 

[blessedtoo]

I know all the problems of the world are because of “leftist”. In your vision of the world we all make money. To heck with the poor.

The Catholic Church is the second largest charitable organization after the state. There is more poverty outreach and mission in the CC than any other denomination.

Force rape victums to carry to term.

Convince women that killing the unborn child will not solve their problem. Punish the perpetrator, not the innocent baby.

Let the children starve who are born.

See above.

I belive in God who desires Mercy and not sacrifice.

I’m sure the apostles, who willingly sacrificed their lives for the faith, and all the martyrs since, would be interested in your version of Christianity. There is no mercy without sacrifice. There is no charity without sacrifice. There is no love without sacrifice.

Rush and Ann are druggies, and that’s ok. Pedophile Priests are ok too because they are conservative. There is just as much so much hatred. When is it going to cease. When are we going to be united again?

You must be confused about where you are. This is not a political forum. We are not concerned with what talk radio hosts or journalists have to say on issues of faith and morality.

 

[sosayi1960]

The Catholic Church is the second largest charitable organization after the state. There is more poverty outreach and mission in the CC than any other denomination.

Convince women that killing the unborn child will not solve their problem. Punish the perpetrator, not the innocent baby.

See above.

I’m sure the apostles, who willingly sacrificed their lives for the faith, and all the martyrs since, would be interested in your version of Christianity. There is no mercy without sacrifice. There is no charity without sacrifice. There is no love without sacrifice.

You must be confused about where you are. This is not a political forum. We are not concerned with what talk radio hosts or journalists have to say on issues of faith and morality.

Oh well, I’m wrong, I don’t care nor wanna play anymore. Keep all the babies and everything else you want. Enjoy blaming everyone else. God must be a conservative and hates the rest of us. I really doen’t matter any more

 

[blessedtoo]

Parts of me agree and parts of me disagree the problem with the church is that its interpretations change over the years it lack consistency. If you are going to say you have the fullness of truth then show me that this fullness has always been there instead of developed.

So you are saying that theology from the 2nd century should never develop beyond it’s original concepts? What do you suggest the Church do when a theological insight is illuminated or challenged by new scientific developments? Should the Church leave the language the same as it was originally, or further define and articulate it to meet new discoveries?

How can you saw we a have always had the fulness of truth look how your interpretations of scripture changes overtime or what your official documents mean.

She does not CHANGE the doctrine, she defines it for the current age in a way that is appropriate and meaningful. There is no compromise of truth.

For instance If I compare the interpretation of No salvation outside the church today with that compared 1500 years ago the interpretation is much different. The theologians at the time definately did not have the same view as now.

I am beginning to think that perhaps you have difficulty with your interpretation of Church teaching. She still holds the doctrine that salvation does not exist outside the Church. However, she has more clearly defined the doctrine to include a deeper understanding of God’s mercy and the possibility that He might bring those righteous ones who have not known the Truth to salvation through His Church.

Or how about woman in the church definately not the same interpritation as now look at the traditionalist if you do not believe me.

If you are referring to women covering their heads, this was a devotional practice and not canon law. If you are referring to woman teaching in the Church, this is still upheld. If you are thinking of some other example, please be specific.

I do the research thats part of my problem.

Perhaps the resources you are using are part of the problem. The arguments you present sound like they were gathered from questionable sources. Perhaps you are having trouble with your interpretation of what you are reading.

I qustion a lot and learn sometimes the church is illogical waves its hands and say well its a mystery, or we dont know, Well how do you say you have the fullness of truth when you cant answer all questions or you logic is sometimes flawed and when pointed out by well you say thats different and do not explain how.

Some things simply ARE a mystery. How can we possibly expect to understand everything there is to our God? What we do understand, doctrines of the Church, are not illogical. Pope B16 has spoken extensively about the necessity of faith and reason. One can’t exist without the other. The more one understands what our Church teaches, the more one sees the absolute reason behind all that we hold true. There are countless things we don’t understand about our natural world. Science itself can’t explain everything in life. We accept that some things in our own human lives are a mystery. How could we think ourselves capable of understanding God completely?

 

[fix]

There is just as much so much hatred. When is it going to cease. When are we going to be united again? In the world, In the church? we must agree on one part, the world is in terrible shape. We need God to clean up the mess.

God is speaking to us right now. He speaks through the magisterium on all these issues. When will we listen and obey?

 

[estesbob]

Lets have genetic testing done. If there is some indication they must be gay then abort the fetus. That outta make the “right” happy. There won’t be a concern about the problem. The answer is according the right kill the abnormality. Make the problem go away am I right?

No.

 

[estesbob]

Right, because the homosexual lifestyle is genetic and wanting a healthy society is the same as eugenics.

**One of the mose non-sensical and ridiculous tactics of the Left is to label people who oppose their worldview as evil fascists, nazis, eugenicists or other evil extremists. I have news for you. The Nazis were socialists!/**quote]

Exaclty! It is genralyy an attempt to shut dopwn the discussion. What the Left never wants to adress is how their supposed compassion for the poor and the underpriveleged translates into supporting the slaughter of the innocents.

 

[goofyjim]

When I saw this thread I assumed it was just about orientation alone and not the actual lifestyle. Maybe you can discriminate for someone’s lifestyle but I just don’t think it is proper to do so for the orientation. It’s not harming anyone.:newidea:

 

[Polaris]

I think the church is still constrained in the idea of Submission and Domination. Gay a civil union cant work because its unfitting of a man to submit to another man. However this is not the thinking of Modern man, it is not about Submission or Domination anymore marriage is about equality. Well im sure some will say that a body cannot have two heads or they will fight amoungst themselves one most always submit. My thoughts on this is use Modern Science to see the truth of what God wants. How many Hemispheres does a brain have? Two working together not one.
Ok so it is about equality a head of the house has two parts.

Another thought because of the development of equality in marriage we are seeing something new pairbonding between samesex couple. This was not around in the bible time it was about rape and power how can you use the same thoughts from then to dictate to the present when there is a clear difference.

Well what about Gender we need the two them. First I grew up in a different time period and place then most people on this forum and I had female friends and male friends my entire life, the thought of there sex never really entered my mindand still doesnt. So it definately a dying concept. We as a species have advanced so far that we are becoming more and more a genderless society. Some people believe this is not true but lets face reality because of our brains, we can produce and use tools that equal out everything. For instance men are stonger, they can carry heavy things, A woman can use a pully and carry the same wieght. This is a completely false statement but to appease the Mc’s of the world a woman is worse at math then a man. She can use a computer. Equal.

Also lets face another hard topic what about reproduction? Many of you will say there you can truly see that there is a difference. For now Yes but fading fast, once again our tools and understanding are evergrowing. Woman need sperm from a man to produce a zygote. True as of now, however earlier this year they produced immature sperm from bone marrow. Eggs need a little more experimention but it is possible that a male can be the source of genetic material for an egg. Finnally what about the growth tank? Well here there are two option currently under development outside in an artificial womb and second supportable ecotopic pregnancies. A male in the future may be able to carry a child. Well on the way of having no meaning of male and female. I will be honest and say that some of this scares me but It also shows me that gender is quickly becoming an artificial construct.

So in the future a gay couple may be able to concieve as well as a stright couple being completely open to life and some are open to it right now with adoption.

if the church is truly open to societal changes and adapting or developin there doctrine it will need to address these changes in the concept of man.

 

[blessedtoo]

if the church is truly open to societal changes and adapting or developin there doctrine it will need to address these changes in the concept of man.

The good news is She already has!

I think the church is still constrained in the idea of Submission and Domination. Gay a civil union cant work because its unfitting of a man to submit to another man.

You display a woeful lack of understanding of the meaning of marriage. It is “unfitting”, to use your word, for members of the same gender to engage in sexual behavior with one another, no matter what their “union” involves. Period. End of story. Homosexual behavior is gravely disordered and is a sin. It has nothing to do with your theory of submission and dominiation.

How many Hemispheres does a brain have? Two working together not one.

And the two are different and have different roles. They are not the same. They compliment eachother by providing what the other does not have.
Men and women may be equal - but they are not the same. God has designed us for complimentarity - to provide for eachother what is lacking in each one individually.

This was not around in the bible time it was about rape and power how can you use the same thoughts from then to dictate to the present when there is a clear difference.

It is arrogant and presumptuous to assume that modern people are more “enlightened” than the ancients. And it is ridiculous to imagine that we are the only society to ever propose that same sex couplings can involve some version of love. But the point is still moot. The prohibition is, and always will be, against homosexual acts. The particular circumstance or situation will not change that fact.

First I grew up in a different time period and place then most people on this forum and I had female friends and male friends my entire life, the thought of there sex never really entered my mindand still doesnt. So it definately a dying concept.

I am saddened for you that you have grown up without a clear understanding of the wonderous differences that exist between the two genders. Society may attempt to destroy these differences with their absurd notions of equality, but as Christians, we are called to a deeper understanding of the beauty of God’s creation and it’s purpose in His divine plan.

For instance men are stonger, they can carry heavy things, A woman can use a pully and carry the same wieght. This is a completely false statement but to appease the Mc’s of the world a woman is worse at math then a man. She can use a computer. Equal.

Equality does not mean, nor will it ever mean, the same.

Woman need sperm from a man to produce a zygote. True as of now, however earlier this year they produced immature sperm from bone marrow. Eggs need a little more experimention but it is possible that a male can be the source of genetic material for an egg. Finnally what about the growth tank? Well here there are two option currently under development outside in an artificial womb and second supportable ecotopic pregnancies. A male in the future may be able to carry a child. Well on the way of having no meaning of male and female. I will be honest and say that some of this scares me but It also shows me that gender is quickly becoming an artificial construct.

Catholics do not need to fear scientific advancements because we know that faith and reason do not conflict. The Church has already addressed reproductive technologies that circumvent the marital act. IVF, surrogacy, artificial wombs, etc, are all contrary to the natural law and are prohobited to Catholics. It wouldn’t matter if they discovered a way to reproduce a human with a coffee cup.

So in the future a gay couple may be able to concieve as well as a stright couple being completely open to life and some are open to it right now with adoption.

Homosexual acts will never be procreative in their nature, regardless of scientific discoveries. The parts do not fit together, the reproductive organs are being forced to do something for which they were not intended, and their is no necessary complimentarity. Science can do it’s best to play god, but it will never be God. I suggest you decide which one you will worship.

 

[Fone_Bone_2001]

I understand the Church’s teachings concerning Civil Unions and the role they play in degrading the institution of marriage, but what is the Church’s stance on the following issues. They all have to do with Catholic’s discriminating against non-Catholics practicing sinful lifestyles.

1. Catholic adoption agency’s discriminating against homosexual couples. Can the adoption agency also discriminate against other religions, since a child being brought up in a Hindu household for example would be deprived of a Christian environment? What exactly is the difference?

I think there is a difference. Catholic adoption agencies don’t wish to exclude homosexuals because the children will be taught non-Catholic views. If that were true, then it would logically follow that non-Catholics should be excluded as well. I do not believe, however, that that is the reason.

I think the reason is that homosexual adoption would put a child into a family structure in direct, grave violation of natural law. Such a child’s growing up in an immorally structured family would harm a child, who deserves a mother and a father.

Adoption by heterosexual couples of other faiths would not, in and of itself, place children in an inherently immoral family structure.

2)I know in Canada a few months ago a Catholic publishing company was fined for refusing to print materials presented to them by a homosexual furthering the gay agenda. They were forced to publish the text, on the grounds that to refuse would be discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Yes, unfortunately freedom of speech and the press is not a reality in Canada. This is an unfortunate example of the political persecution of Catholic beliefs by an aggressive homosexual agenda.

This is especially damaging to gay people, I think, since such unreasonable tactics cause them to lose credibility when they actually do face discrimination. Case in point - your third quetion:

1. This one is the most hazy to me. In Canada, it’s illegal to not employ someone due to his sexual orientation. I supposed if you wanted to make your company a model of efficiency, you would hire people who shared the same values and behaved alike. This would certainly be a right, since the right to private property would mean you wouldn’t be forced to share it with another individual against your will. But in the United States, it’s illegal to hire people based on creed of ethnicity, or rather, to refuse to hire people based on those terms. Isn’t being forced to hire homosexuals the logical extension of this law, right or wrong? I can understand how the two scenarios mentioned above can be described as scandalous, but isn’t not hiring someone because he’s a sexually active homosexual the same kind of discrimination as not hiring a person because of his religion? I suppose this law would also make it impossible to not hire someone on the grounds that he’s a pedophile, or flaunts any kind of disordered behavior that doesn’t necessarily endanger the company and its workers. Can it be compared to not hiring someone on the grounds that he’s a practicing Muslim? Actually, are either of these scenarios wrong for a Christian?

I definitely agree that a company should not be able to refuse employment on the basis of sexual orientation. “Oh, you’re gay, so I’m not hiring you (or firing you) for that reason” is discrimination that should be illegal, no different than refusing employment to women or racial minorities.

If only the homosexual agenda in the western world would quit advancing unreasonable demands and attempting to censor its opponents, legitimate discrimination such as this would have a better chance of being prevented.

 

[Polaris]

Interesting you seem to have to different view points again. We are much smarter then the people a thousand years ago so we can understand doctrine better then them. and then you say we are not smarter then them…Interesting.

Let me ask has Creation stopped for you?

God did create us Female and Male.

Yet is that forever? Has evolution stopped for us? Have our genes stopped mutating, is our environment exactly the same as it was 1000 years ago, even 100 years ago. Is our society the same. Have all disease been irradicated. The answer to this is all no all which causes stress and change. Male and female are not a given for all time.

We are equal and there are some differences BUT our tools make us the same and even now we are appraoching sameness.

And lets approach complimentarity. Have you ever know a healthy gay couple. The would not survive if they did not compliment eachother. I know three such lovely couples. One is a little nervous and a hardworker and his partner is calm and enjoys life. Together I see them interact, one occasional slows down his partner to enjoy creation, on the other hand the one partner insures that he does what is neccasary. Together the compliment eachother strengths and weakness beautifully. I think its sad that the church bases this decision on the surface of a being.

The church bans the existence of tools that it calls Unnatural. A tools essence is that we understand the Nature of something we then influence its nature all while operating in a set of natural rules to obtain a desired result. How can it be Unnatural? Then every tool is Unnatural.

Another idea the church should fully embrace tool use and support it for human creation and push for the removal of natural sex all together. The current system now stained with the Fall cause the spontaneous abortion of countless babies. Millions of souls destined to hell. (All church Fathers agree and it was even official declared in many coucils the last one being The council of Flournce 1438-45) yet Im sure you think we are smarter then them .) Even now when the church destroyed the chace of a hell with out suffering poena damni, or Limbo and said we can hope, Why take a chance on hope when you could use tools to insure that now no child is lost. How many children could you or I have burning in hell right now?

(Playin an D. advocate in some of this but thats the best way to learn)

 

[blessedtoo]

Interesting you seem to have to different view points again. We are much smarter then the people a thousand years ago so we can understand doctrine better then them. and then you say we are not smarter then them…Interesting.

Either you aren’t reading my posts, or you already have your mind made up and aren’t interested in remaining open to the truth. I never said we were “smarter” than the people that came before. This is what I said. Read it again.

So you are saying that theology from the 2nd century should never develop beyond it’s original concepts? What do you suggest the Church do when a theological insight is illuminated or challenged by new scientific developments? Should the Church leave the language the same as it was originally, or further define and articulate it to meet new discoveries?

Let me ask has Creation stopped for you?

The question makes no sense. I am creating something right now, by writing this email. Is that what you mean?

God did create us Female and Male.

Excellent! We agree!

Yet is that forever?

Yup!

Has evolution stopped for us?

Are you expecting to “evolve” into a minotaur?

Have our genes stopped mutating, is our environment exactly the same as it was 1000 years ago, even 100 years ago. Is our society the same. Have all disease been irradicated.

Despite the changes that occur in every age, some things are objectively true and not subject to environmental, sociological, or even biochemical fluctuations. Your approach seems to be that things MAY change someday so why don’t we simply throw out the truth we know now in favor of the possibility that it will be controverted tomorrow. As I said before, science and reason will never contradict truth.

 

[blessedtoo]

God did create us Female and Male.

Yet is that forever? Has evolution stopped for us? Have our genes stopped mutating, is our environment exactly the same as it was 1000 years ago, even 100 years ago. Is our society the same. Have all disease been irradicated. The answer to this is all no all which causes stress and change. Male and female are not a given for all time.

Biochemistry, sociology and medicine are not the disciplines we utilize to address the issues of absolute truth. All of these external things may be changing, but the interior truth of God that lives in every man’s heart can not change.

We are equal and there are some differences BUT our tools make us the same and even now we are appraoching sameness.

No. Our “tools” make us able to DO the same things, not BE the same thing.

And lets approach complimentarity. Have you ever know a healthy gay couple.

You really don’t want to get into this with me. You are young, so I’ll have some mercy.

The would not survive if they did not compliment eachother. I know three such lovely couples. One is a little nervous and a hardworker and his partner is calm and enjoys life. Together I see them interact, one occasional slows down his partner to enjoy creation, on the other hand the one partner insures that he does what is neccasary. Together the compliment eachother strengths and weakness beautifully. I think its sad that the church bases this decision on the surface of a being.

I know many “lovely” fornicators. My son, who is your age, happens to be one of them. Does that make fornication okey-dokey? He’s happy. He’s nice. He’s kind. Should I just tell God tonight in my prayers that He’s got this whole fornication thing wrong because I have such a fabulous kid?

The church bans the existence of tools that it calls Unnatural. A tools essence is that we understand the Nature of something we then influence its nature all while operating in a set of natural rules to obtain a desired result. How can it be Unnatural? Then every tool is Unnatural.

Science could someday make it possible to transplant entire reproductive systems from one gender to another. So what? Does that make it right? Does that make it moral? You said it yourself - “understanding Nature”; “operating within a set of natural rules”. Science has abandoned it’s respect for natural law and so we see the scientist whose only objective is to achieve what was once thought impossible, regardless of the consequences. The Church, in Her wisdom, is always keeping Her eye on consequences.

Another idea the church should fully embrace tool use and support it for human creation and push for the removal of natural sex all together.

Absurd. Can’t even respond.

The current system now stained with the Fall cause the spontaneous abortion of countless babies. Millions of souls destined to hell. (All church Fathers agree and it was even official declared in many coucils the last one being The council of Flournce 1438-45) yet Im sure you think we are smarter then them .) Even now when the church destroyed the chace of a hell with out suffering poena damni, or Limbo and said we can hope, Why take a chance on hope when you could use tools to insure that now no child is lost. How many children could you or I have burning in hell right now?

I have no idea what this means.

(Playin an D. advocate in some of this but thats the best way to learn)

Simply asking questions is also another way to learn.

 

[Polaris]

Im to steeped in history I think. I see the writings off old. I put myself in there time. If I was to say back then that unbaptised babies went to heaven or had a chance of heaven I would be a heretic in the churches eyes. I look from the present to the past writers and hear even on these forums how they say well that werent infallible, they didnt understand, it was different time. Yet these teachers were at the time like our bishops are now. We are suppose to be slaves to half truths now and then. Somehow I think in the future another CAF will look back at the writings of our current church and say well that was just opinion it wasnt a teaching. Truth does not contradict Truth, and the church always taught this and completely twist an older teaching making white black and black white “but we never changed a teaching” they will say, “we were just over reacting to a heresy at the time so they just went a little extreme” will be expressed and History will repeat herself again and there will be one person arguing for a change and another will argue for the status quo. When we both get to heaven will have a good laugh about Gods sense of homour, As he explains why he played us off against eachother. Im fine with you believing the church beliefs as they are… Ill aid in chaning errrr developing the doctrine. After all we are niether male nor female, slave nor free in Jesus Christ, which cleary means and the church has always taught we are genderless…hehehehehehehe. Have a goodnight and dont worry about me my internet bite is alot worse then my real life bite. hehehehehe

 

[Polaris]

blessedtoo:

I have no idea what this means.

Let me explain it to you. a little better

I think something like 2/3 of all fertilized eggs in a female do not implant or selfabort. Every one is a soul that died in a state of original sin. The “old teaching of the church” was that the went to hell. Some say a hell without pain but hell none the less. Today we can only hope. But lets face it if we look at the majority of time and churches concept of God, they are going to hell. However if we go completely to IVF method were only one eggs is fertilized, you can baptize it right then. No original sin. if the implantaion fails at least it will go to heaven. It is irresponsable for you to kill all those children damming them to hell and you dont even care all because you fail to use a tool god made available to us in time. Make more sense.

 

[Nino]

I have always felt Hollyweird has discriminated against Catholics, honest and loving Husbands and fathers,Italians, Irish and Poles etc…so lets start there maybe. I used to be asked.".Hey Mr.Nino…are you connected?" and so it goes…since we Italos do not vote in a block we are not treated in a humane way…so the godfather series and now the sopranos will be forever on the flick to insult and lampoon my heritage but who cares right…as I stated in my …what is being rich…thread…I am proud to be attacked by the ruling class…means we are something…Nino

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

I think the reason is that homosexual adoption would put a child into a family structure in direct, grave violation of natural law. Such a child’s growing up in an immorally structured family would harm a child, who deserves a mother and a father.

If only the homosexual agenda in the western world would quit advancing unreasonable demands and attempting to censor its opponents, legitimate discrimination such as this would have a better chance of being prevented.

I do not view adoption by homosexual couples as harmful to a child. All adoptions force prospective parents to go through enough checks based on if they are able to support the child. Sexual preference is not a red flag, Children are being raised in many, many different family structures and this is just one of the new ones. Done of this of course invalidates or “attacks” the “traditional” family structures, those will continue on.

This is about forming bonds of togetherness and not a “us vs them” matter breaking bonds of togetherness.