J
justasking4
Guest
Brillant
- Status
J
justasking4
Guest
Is this a serious question or some of the nonsense previously that others have written?Where do you have in Scripture that we have to have it in Scripture?
Z
zemi
Guest
Justasking, are you really interested what that has to say with the Papacy? (Is 22 passage).
It has to do with tha Papacy, not with Mary. And with the Church authority. Interested?
Z
zemi
Guest
The serious question is where do you find in the Bible taught sola scriptura?
H
HailMary
Guest
This is the Prime Minister, while the King is away, he acts in his authority. Notice, that the power was not asscioated with a person, but the position. More can be said on this and I encourage anyone to research the connection between these things.
J
justasking4
Guest
If you believe what your church teaches about Mary, do you believe and follow this below?
On this account it was, says St. Bernard, that the Eternal Father, wishing to show all the mercy possible, besides with giving us Jesus Christ, our principal advocate him, was pleased also to give us Mary, as our and with Jesus Christ. There is no doubt, the saint adds, that Jesus Christ is the only mediator of justice between men and God; that, by virtue of his own merits and promises, he will and can obtain us pardon and the divine favors; but because men acknowledge and fear the divine Majesty, which is in him as God, for this reason it was necessary to assign us another advocate, to whom we might have recourse with less fear and more confidence, and this advocate is Mary, than whom we cannot find one more powerful with his divine majesty, or one more merciful towards ourselves. The saint says, Christ is a faithful and powerful Mediator between God and men, but in him men fear the majesty of God. A mediator, then, was needed with the mediator himself; nor could a more fitting one be found than Mary. (Liguori, The Glories of Mary,pp. 195-196).
Keep in mind that Liguori was a saint and doctor of the catholic church.
On this account it was, says St. Bernard, that the Eternal Father, wishing to show all the mercy possible, besides with giving us Jesus Christ, our principal advocate him, was pleased also to give us Mary, as our and with Jesus Christ. There is no doubt, the saint adds, that Jesus Christ is the only mediator of justice between men and God; that, by virtue of his own merits and promises, he will and can obtain us pardon and the divine favors; but because men acknowledge and fear the divine Majesty, which is in him as God, for this reason it was necessary to assign us another advocate, to whom we might have recourse with less fear and more confidence, and this advocate is Mary, than whom we cannot find one more powerful with his divine majesty, or one more merciful towards ourselves. The saint says, Christ is a faithful and powerful Mediator between God and men, but in him men fear the majesty of God. A mediator, then, was needed with the mediator himself; nor could a more fitting one be found than Mary. (Liguori, The Glories of Mary,pp. 195-196).
Keep in mind that Liguori was a saint and doctor of the catholic church.
H
HailMary
Guest
With all do respect, I don’t think your Catechesis is strong enough to interpret those words correctly. Those words are perfectly in line with what Jesus preached and taught.
When we say the Mary, She says Jesus, that is basically what the great Doctor of the Church is trying to relay.
And oh, btw, a Mediator was needed between Isreal and God, and that was Moses. Why can’t Mary be our mediator to Jesus, to the Father? nothing new here, just doing what Christians have been doing for over 2000 years.
Z
zemi
Guest
- I thought you said you would read the articles on the website I posted you. I think you said you would have to go slowly through them as there were quite a few of them. I think you didn’t do much “study” then. Response to this was just the 3rd article from the top on the “Mary: The Blessed Virgin” section on Dave Armstrong’s Page. If you are interested in the response I’m sure you will read it carefully. (HERE)
- “If you believe what your church teaches about Mary, do you believe and follow this below?”
J
justasking4
Guest
Give me a break. I can read and understand just like anyone else can.
Would you happen to have some scripture passages to support this with?
And how does the great Doctor know this if the scriptures never teach such a thing?
The scriptures tell us that there is only one mediator between God and man-- the man Christ Jesus. This leaves no room for another. Not even Mary.
Not so. We have no such teachings in the church for centuries.
J
justasking4
Guest
I read a number of them and i didn’t find his arguments that sound. Take for example his article on what full of grace means. That especially was drawing conclusions not supported by the word definitions on grace.
i’m not making an argument but asking a question about what this canonized saint, Doctor of the church taught. He is not some minor figure in the catholic church nor are his works. His works are endorsed by the catholic church. Do you believe what he said in the quote?
J
justasking4
Guest
What i’m first interested in is what is the context of the passage?
In context of Isaiah 22 is it speaking specifically of the church?
H
HailMary
Guest
J
justasking4
Guest
Thats a topic for another thread. Right now were discussing Mary.
H
HailMary
Guest
Futile attempt. The bible is not a book about Mary, and since you only have the bible for your divine revelations, you won’t get *that * far, you need the faith of the Church to see what bible teaches about Mary, or you can go to Her directly (the Church, that is).
H
HailMary
Guest
Can you clearly state your problem with what the St. Liguori is saying?
J
justasking4
Guest
Many problems here. Does your church consider its teachings divine i.e. inspired-inerrant?
Secondly, the scriptures don’t teach the things your church says about Mary. So claiming that they are in the Bible is false.
H
HailMary
Guest
You know the answer to that, if you claim
They are in the bible, some explicit (her immaculate conception) and other implicit (her assumption), they’ve been presented to you, its your choice if you are willing to roll-up your sleeves and dig into them a little further, instead of the 5 minute skim over a website.
J
justasking4
Guest
Thats the problem. I do understand what your church teaches and i also understand the scriptures don’t teach it.
Liguori. Here is the quote from his book–“The saint says, Christ is a faithful and powerful Mediator between God and men, but in him men fear the majesty of God. A mediator, then, was needed with the mediator himself; nor could a more fitting one be found than Mary. (Liguori, The Glories of Mary,pp. 195-196).”
i do understand and its a false teaching.
This is not the same thing. Powers are attributed to her that a person in this world does not have for one. According to this doctrine she can hear thousands of prayers at once and read the thoughts of peoples mental prayers.
H
HailMary
Guest
Yes, a mediator between US and JESUS, not US and the FATHER.
H
HailMary
Guest
So you don’t believe that other can pray to Jesus for you? Because if Mary can’t pray to Jesus for you, the other conclusion is nobody can.
- Status