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R_not
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Here is another good one on muslim ‘science’ (or to show us how dumb allah was!)
…the sky is falling…
muslim ‘science’:
…the sky is falling…
muslim ‘science’:
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MugenOne
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Here’s another laugh for y’all.
"While the Man May Use Beating to Discipline His Wife, She Sometimes Uses Her Tears to Discipline Him"
Muhammad Al-'Arifi: “Men beat women more often than women beat men. I said that some women beat their husbands because this happens, but it is rare, and there is no need to hold conferences on wives who beat their husbands. I believe this is less prevalent, because by nature, the body of the man… In most cases, Allah made the body of men stronger than the body of women. Therefore, you and your sister… You may be taller than your mother, right? If your mother is ill, you may be able to carry her, but she cannot carry you. Allah created women with these delicate, fragile, supple, and soft bodies, because they use their emotions more than they use their bodies. Therefore, while the man may use beating to discipline his wife, she sometimes uses her tears to discipline him. He gets what he wants by screaming, while she gets what she wants from him by crying and displaying emotions. For men, women’s emotions may be fiercer than the strike of a sword.” … ]
"If Neither [Admonishing nor Refusing to Share Your Bed] Works With Her, What is the Third Option?"
“First, “‘admonish them’ - once, twice, three times, four times, 10 times. If this doesn’t help, ‘refuse to share their beds.’ In such a case, the husband does not sleep with his wife, or, in other words, he is angry with her. He gives her the silent treatment, refusing to talk to her. If he comes to eat, and she asks him: ‘How are you?’ - he doesn’t answer. If she asks him: ‘Do you want anything?’ - he doesn’t answer. He distances himself from her in bed and in conversation; he does not sleep with her, but goes to sleep in another room. He shows her that he is angry with her. If this does not help - if the admonishing does no good, and when he goes to sleep in another room, she says: ‘Thank God he’s gone. Now I’ve got the whole bed to myself, I will sleep alone in bed and roll over at night as much as I like.’ If neither method works with her, what is the third option?
Guest: “‘And beat them.’”
Al-'Arifi: “That’s right. How is this beating performed? What do you think?”
Guest: “Light beatings.”
Al-'Arifi: “Light beatings in what way?”
Guest:” For example, I wouldn’t beat her in the face…”
Al-'Arifi: "Beating in the face is forbidden, even when it comes to animals. When a person is beating an animal… Even if you want your camel or donkey to start walking, you are not allowed to beat it in the face. If this is true for animals, it is all the more true when it comes to humans. So beatings should be light and not in the face.
"Some religious scholars say: ‘He should beat her with a toothpick.’ I happen to have a toothpick with me. A man who is angry with his wife because she doesn’t get it… If he says to her: ‘Watch out, the child has fallen next to the stove,’ or: ‘Move the child away from the electrical socket,’ and she says: ‘I am busy’ - then he beats her with a toothpick or something like it. He doesn’t beat her with a bottle of water, a plate, or a knife. This is forbidden. The scholars said he should beat her with a toothpick.
“Check out how gentle the toothpick used for beating is. This shows you that the purpose is not to inflict pain. When you beat an animal, you intend to cause it pain so it will obey you, because an animal would not understand if you said: ‘Oh camel, come on, start moving.’ The camel does not understand such things, unless you beat it. A donkey understands nothing but beatings, but a woman, a man, a child, and so on, are generally more affected by emotions than by other things.”
"He Must Beat Her Where It Will Not Leave Marks"
“If you beat her with a toothpick, or if you beat her lightly with your hand, and so on, it is meant to convey: ‘Woman, it has gone too far. I can’t bear it anymore.’ If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly. He must beat her where it will not leave marks. He should not beat her on the hand… He should beat her in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her like he would beat an animal or a child - slapping them right and left. Unfortunately, many husbands beat their wives only when they get mad, and when they start beating, it as if they are punching a wall - they beat with their hands, right and left, and sometimes use their feet. Brother, it is a human being you are beating. This is forbidden. He must not do this.”
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"While the Man May Use Beating to Discipline His Wife, She Sometimes Uses Her Tears to Discipline Him"
Muhammad Al-'Arifi: “Men beat women more often than women beat men. I said that some women beat their husbands because this happens, but it is rare, and there is no need to hold conferences on wives who beat their husbands. I believe this is less prevalent, because by nature, the body of the man… In most cases, Allah made the body of men stronger than the body of women. Therefore, you and your sister… You may be taller than your mother, right? If your mother is ill, you may be able to carry her, but she cannot carry you. Allah created women with these delicate, fragile, supple, and soft bodies, because they use their emotions more than they use their bodies. Therefore, while the man may use beating to discipline his wife, she sometimes uses her tears to discipline him. He gets what he wants by screaming, while she gets what she wants from him by crying and displaying emotions. For men, women’s emotions may be fiercer than the strike of a sword.” … ]
"If Neither [Admonishing nor Refusing to Share Your Bed] Works With Her, What is the Third Option?"
“First, “‘admonish them’ - once, twice, three times, four times, 10 times. If this doesn’t help, ‘refuse to share their beds.’ In such a case, the husband does not sleep with his wife, or, in other words, he is angry with her. He gives her the silent treatment, refusing to talk to her. If he comes to eat, and she asks him: ‘How are you?’ - he doesn’t answer. If she asks him: ‘Do you want anything?’ - he doesn’t answer. He distances himself from her in bed and in conversation; he does not sleep with her, but goes to sleep in another room. He shows her that he is angry with her. If this does not help - if the admonishing does no good, and when he goes to sleep in another room, she says: ‘Thank God he’s gone. Now I’ve got the whole bed to myself, I will sleep alone in bed and roll over at night as much as I like.’ If neither method works with her, what is the third option?
Guest: “‘And beat them.’”
Al-'Arifi: “That’s right. How is this beating performed? What do you think?”
Guest: “Light beatings.”
Al-'Arifi: “Light beatings in what way?”
Guest:” For example, I wouldn’t beat her in the face…”
Al-'Arifi: "Beating in the face is forbidden, even when it comes to animals. When a person is beating an animal… Even if you want your camel or donkey to start walking, you are not allowed to beat it in the face. If this is true for animals, it is all the more true when it comes to humans. So beatings should be light and not in the face.
"Some religious scholars say: ‘He should beat her with a toothpick.’ I happen to have a toothpick with me. A man who is angry with his wife because she doesn’t get it… If he says to her: ‘Watch out, the child has fallen next to the stove,’ or: ‘Move the child away from the electrical socket,’ and she says: ‘I am busy’ - then he beats her with a toothpick or something like it. He doesn’t beat her with a bottle of water, a plate, or a knife. This is forbidden. The scholars said he should beat her with a toothpick.
“Check out how gentle the toothpick used for beating is. This shows you that the purpose is not to inflict pain. When you beat an animal, you intend to cause it pain so it will obey you, because an animal would not understand if you said: ‘Oh camel, come on, start moving.’ The camel does not understand such things, unless you beat it. A donkey understands nothing but beatings, but a woman, a man, a child, and so on, are generally more affected by emotions than by other things.”
"He Must Beat Her Where It Will Not Leave Marks"
“If you beat her with a toothpick, or if you beat her lightly with your hand, and so on, it is meant to convey: ‘Woman, it has gone too far. I can’t bear it anymore.’ If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly. He must beat her where it will not leave marks. He should not beat her on the hand… He should beat her in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her like he would beat an animal or a child - slapping them right and left. Unfortunately, many husbands beat their wives only when they get mad, and when they start beating, it as if they are punching a wall - they beat with their hands, right and left, and sometimes use their feet. Brother, it is a human being you are beating. This is forbidden. He must not do this.”
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Reuben_J
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I thought Disney makes a movie out of this … Chicken Little … or something.Here is another good one on muslim ‘science’ (or to show us how dumb allah was!)
…the sky is falling…
muslim ‘science’:
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R_not
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I just can’t make this stuff up! I mean - it goes on and on…I thought Disney makes a movie out of this … Chicken Little … or something.
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Reuben_J
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I know R_not. I was once indignant by what you posted, which I thought were bashing Islam. But then they were all in their scriptures and I realized I could not deny them.I just can’t make this stuff up! I mean - it goes on and on…
A true religion should be able to stand up to all challenges. Muslims should be able to answer all those challenge if they don’t agree with them. It is not like you are shoving into their throats what are not there. It’s different when they keep telling us that what the ancient personalities of the Bible did was all commanded by God, which we can follow today.
They do not realize that many of the things even the prophets did were not authorized by God. I guess they just follow their own practices like following what Mohammad did because all that Mohammad did were commanded by Allah and therefore all Mohammad did were right. We are not surprise today by what they do in the name of Allah because they simply follow what Mohammad had done.
I notice no Muslims have yet to explicitly say that Osama Ben Laden is a bad Muslim. I guess they can’t because Ben Laden based his action on the actions of Mohammad. If they say Ben Laden is a bad Muslim they have to say Mohammad a bad Muslim too, and that they will not do in a million years.
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R_not
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A while back on a thread that has been since shut down that question was asked to the muslims on the thread and they would not deny him, or claim him a bad muslim. I did not keep the note.
Yes, I fully understand that a lot of this is hard to take when first getting into it. In fact, I couldn’t believe my eyes what I read most of the time. And this is why I find that there is no excuse for adult converts to islam - we are in a time period when the non-muslim is able to read the koran and other texts and know history - past and present. And they are not doing it, but accept the facade that muslims show and fall for it.
In the past this was banned for non-muslims to have any knowledge - and it is so in many countries where the internet is not available, or has censorship. Especially take advantage now since the muslims are working on getting this knowledge censored via the UN. jihadwatch.org has articles on that if you do searches in it.
People think this is a joke, or I am mean, or I am not being Christian, or whatever they think - all I say is that they should READ READ READ!
I download any videos I find interesting because they have successfully gotten things censored off of youtube also.
They are organized, we are not. They have a strong lobby in Washington and Brigette Gabriel is going to counter that. And they ‘dig’ into businesses, our schools, etc in different areas and know that so many are in full ‘political correctness’ mode. When I say ‘dig’ they sue, demand, deceive to officials as to what islam is and our officials don’t have the wherewithall to do their own reading to find out the truth. Too bad - and that is why we need to start standing firm for ourselves or we will be like Lebanon, Africa, the Philippines, India, etc.
YOu will very rarely read a post of another muslim being cross with them like you do with Christians. They have never learned the ‘praise in public, reprimand in private’ either. It emboldens them by that sort of behavior and they know it because that is what has been going on for 1400 years. They take advantage of the appeasers and apologists. While the appeasers/apologists don’t realize that they are just useful idiots and have the same options as anyone else concerning islam - death, conversion or subjugation (if they are of the ‘book’). But, I just keep on going because people have to know whether it goes down nicely at first or not.
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Reuben_J
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I can agree with that. We are even expected to be politically correct so as not to offend the Muslims even if what we say are facts. But on the other hand, nobody ever bother to be politically correct about us.
One Muslim here admits that the objective of Islam today is to Islamized America. She is considered a moderate I think, while on other more extreme, America should be Islamized through war and destruction, a course Ben Laden is taking. I think there are concerted efforts by Muslims to do both today. Talking about humiliation and subjugation of the non-Muslims – how true!
It’s true, we have to be aware of the sentiment and with what happening in the Muslims world and what they are trying to do. The Pope made apt comment when he said we have to thank the Muslims because of them that we should be aware of our own faith. This is an admission that the Muslims are more active in the realization of their objective than we thought. And their efforts have been quite noticeable.
The information in your posts has been very useful and informative.
God bless you.
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paarsurrey
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R_not; 4495577:
I would this much support R_not that everybody on this forum should be full with knowledge of Quran by reading, more reading and reading it time and again to understand it in depth. This is a small and compact book of systems and Muslims, irrespective of their denomination love it; without understanding it one cannot know anything about what is the heart of Muslims.
And it is very easy. The original Quran in Arabic is verbatim available in abundance; those who want to read it, they could do it. Arabic is not a difficult language to learn; more so since it is the Mother of all language. The translations- in fact these are commentaries in other languages; these are also available in almost most of the languages; however no Muslims consider these translations as Word of God. Word of God is only Quran in its original Arabic. Most Muslims prefer, therefore, to give translation side by side with the Arabic Original.
So reading Quran and adding sense to Traditional Mullah Islam is very much liked and appreciated and applauded by all the Muslims. Quran has never been a closed book, only for the Clergy to use it; it is for the use of masses and everybody. It is your book, if you like it; if you don’t like it, it is not for you.
I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna
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I would this much support R_not that everybody on this forum should be full with knowledge of Quran by reading, more reading and reading it time and again to understand it in depth. This is a small and compact book of systems and Muslims, irrespective of their denomination love it; without understanding it one cannot know anything about what is the heart of Muslims.
And it is very easy. The original Quran in Arabic is verbatim available in abundance; those who want to read it, they could do it. Arabic is not a difficult language to learn; more so since it is the Mother of all language. The translations- in fact these are commentaries in other languages; these are also available in almost most of the languages; however no Muslims consider these translations as Word of God. Word of God is only Quran in its original Arabic. Most Muslims prefer, therefore, to give translation side by side with the Arabic Original.
So reading Quran and adding sense to Traditional Mullah Islam is very much liked and appreciated and applauded by all the Muslims. Quran has never been a closed book, only for the Clergy to use it; it is for the use of masses and everybody. It is your book, if you like it; if you don’t like it, it is not for you.
I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna
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pismopal
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Are you actually going to turn our good muslim friends against us …Catholics?..gasp
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Muslim_Woman
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Christians love to give example of Jesus (p) how he forgave enemies while on the cross. They ignore the fact that Jesus (p) was helpless at that moment , all his disciples left him while he was in danger. Muhammed (p) had 10 thousands armed soldiers with him , yet he did not take personal revenge. Only
few ( maximum 12 ) war criminals got death penalty while rest of the citizen got general amnesty.
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lol , what a logic. Muhammed (p) never killed any innocent people. He forgave the killers of his own daughter , uncle when he had power to take revenge. Macca victory is one of finest examples in the history of Islam how to forgive enemies , how not to violate any woman etc.
Christians love to give example of Jesus (p) how he forgave enemies while on the cross. They ignore the fact that Jesus (p) was helpless at that moment , all his disciples left him while he was in danger. Muhammed (p) had 10 thousands armed soldiers with him , yet he did not take personal revenge. Only
few ( maximum 12 ) war criminals got death penalty while rest of the citizen got general amnesty.
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Reuben_J
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Jesus who could calm the storm, raised the dead, multiplied a few peices of bread to feed tens of thousand was never helpless. What he did, he did on his own accord.
Mohammad had a person killed, who maligned him with a poem. That is enough to demonstrate that this man is egoistic, spiteful and revengeful. In today language he is called a murderer for this.
There is no way that you can compare Jesus and Mohammad. No way. They are on different poles. It’s blasphemy to even mention their names side by side.
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paarsurrey
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Hi
Thanks for providing this information here; many people here don’t know these things. They judge Islam/Quran/Muhammad from the present world political scenario which is working of the politicians; it has got nothings to do with Islam/Quran/Muhammad presented .
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Reuben_J
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But, hey, we don’t kill someone just because he writes insinuation poem. Your Mohammad did. Today Muslims kill when insinuating poems or drawings are made implicating him. So you see how influential Mohammad was.
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miracles were performed by the will & power of God only. Read Bible & u will see many Prophets (pbut) did that like Moses (p) divided the sea etc. I guess it was Enoch or Elijah who touched the bone of a dead person & gave life , a Prophet went to heaven without even tested death. These miracles did not make them God.
nuh. Jesus (p) repeatedly said ( not the exact words ) -let the will of God be done , I don’t do anything of my own etc etc.
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ok , then compare Jesus (p) with father . Father always gave him orders & the son obeyed Him. Is there any verse where Father said : my son is greater than All ?
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If i go to US and try to provoke any group to kill all the non-Muslims , what will Bush do ?
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answered earlier. Kaab tried to do the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims besides commiting blasphemy , spread lies about respected Muslim women etc. He visited the enemies of Muslim & provoked them to attack the Prophet & his followers.
If i go to US and try to provoke any group to kill all the non-Muslims , what will Bush do ?
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Reuben_J
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Of course miracles are done by the power of God.
Jesus could have obliterated the Samaritans when his disciples asked him to but he did not.
You are contradicting yourself in many ways. If Jesus wanted to forgive those who were persecuting him, he was only practicing his own teachings. He taught to offer the other cheek and this was what he did.
You have the mind and the mentality of Mohammad where it would be kill, kill and kill when you are being tortured and attacked. Not Jesus.
You are way off the mark here. Jesus would not do a Mohammad’s, mind you.
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Reuben_J
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Maybe Bush will do a Mohammad’s but not Jesus.
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R_not
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I don’t know how many posts have been written telling you that not only did mohammed kill innocents, but he waged offensive battles. He would raid caravans that had very little arms and had women and children with them. He was also very greedy - he did this for loot and slaves, and terror.
Telling a muslim like you the atrocities that mohammed did is getting tiring. But one has to realize that in mohammed’s redefinition of sin - all of his atrocities were ok and so muslims for 1400 years, and still going to this day, blindly accept it all. I think that one has to have no sense of morality to accept that as ok.
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R_not
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I have stated time and again the STATED objective is not to convert or kill us, but to subjugate us under sharia laws in our country. I have given proof after proof of this coming from clerics, documents and the koran and hadiths. And also the proof that muslims are told to deceive us. And that is exactly what you are doing by denying your own texts and mohammed’s telling muslims to either kill, convert or subjugate us.
And muslims know this will take time, but the slow infiltration into our Universities, schools, government, etc is happening to achieve that goal.
I am tired right now and am not going to post all the proof AGAIN - but I will post some quotes from noted muslims about their stated goals.
Yousef Khattab, supporter
-‘islam will dominate, this is what it will be.’
-‘We want to see sharia here and it will be. The flag of , “there is no god other than allah, muhammed is the messenger of god”, will be (god willing) on the White House, if thats where we choose it to be. It just takes time, the American people are waking up now.’
-‘There is no compulsion in islam, that means, we cannot force it on you, but we will force islamic (sharia), god willing.’
Abu Mujahid, spokesperson islamic Thinkers Society (ITS)
‘allah does say that the whole world will eventually be under his rule. The rule will come down to where everyone obeys the laws of god (sharia), as simple as that.’
(these guys have the same goals as Al Qaeda - only they want to do it by what many are calling a stealth jihad. And jihad is commanded by mohammed for ALL muslims to do with 97% of the jihad mentioned in the koran being the violent kind and the rest, including the ‘inner struggle’, being 3% of jihad.
Abu Jahya al-Libi, Al Qaeda leader
‘According to our belief, the whole world must be under the rule of islam without exception, even a single grain of soil.’
This guy was mentioned by muslim woman earlier - well, here is what he has to say about all of this:
Dr. Zakir Naik
‘In some islamic countries, eg: saudi arabia, etc propogation of other religions is prohibited. Even construction of any place of worship is also prohibited. in koran 3:85, it is mentioned that allah will never accept any religion other than islam therefore knowing that islam is the only true religion we do not allow propogation of any other religion.’
Government Exhibit 300-0085 government uncovered this document which is the manifesto of the muslim brotherhood’s jihad in N. America.
(my comment: it seems that they also have ‘The Project’ which is another document found in Europe, plus I am sure they have one for other parts of the Americas - and other countries)
And this one is a real kicker - ‘moral leadership’ coming from islam! Abdurahman Alamoudi, Former leader American Muslim Council (AMC) in Dec 1996
‘We have a chance, in America, to be the moral leadership of America. The problem is when? It will happen, it will happen, praish allah the exalted. I have no doubt in my mind. It depends on me and you, either we do it now or we do it after a 100 years, but this country will become a muslim country…’
imam Johari Abdul Malik, Chairman, Coordinating Council of muslims Organization
‘…before allah closes our eyes for the last time you will see islam move from being the 2nd largest religion in America - that is where we are now - to being the 2st religion in America.’
Abdul Alim Musa, imam Wash DC
-‘islam is coming to America, not through violence, it is coming to America the same way Christianity came to Rome!’
-‘allah says that islam will rise to its proper position in the world, whether these polytheists, whether these hypocrits, whether these criminals, whether these oppressors. All of them, whether they get together, still islam will reign supreme whether they like it or not.’
Musa’s website even states the takeover by 2050. (AS-SABIQUN)
-‘hamas and hezbollah are good peple they don’t deserve any condemnation. They deserve congratulations.’
-‘ahmadinejad is a good man, I have some pictures of him.’
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swariffin
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Although I disagree with my brothers who you called as abusing Muhammad, the Christian will keep quiet and let you abuse Jesus. In fact, we believe that Jesus will not be angry to you. Jesus prayed and forgave those who persecuted him. Jesus will surely forgive you if you abuse Him. Jesus will feed you when you are hungry, will provide clothing if you are naked, will cure your desease, will rise you from death, and will even give His life for you. What about Muhammad?
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