Discussions with a Mormon

[Catholig]

Well I’ve been talking with a Mormon at school for a while, and this conversation continued today. The two main topics discussed today were “pre-life” & “Satan and Jesus being ‘spiritual brothers’”. Apparently from what I can gather Mormons don’t believe that Jesus is God. And that he was created making him a “spiritual brother” to Satan (i.e. they’re both creations). I quoted Jn 1:1 but it didn’t have much effect.

Catholig

 

[Publisher]

I have spoken also with the LDS, and while I find their mythology different, I don’t see it as “strange” as others do. To me it’s almost a “science fiction” type of theology.

Jesus is “true God from true God…begotten not made…” in Mormon theology…he is the literal Son of the Father, of the same species and “spiritual matter”. Mormons do not deny the divinity of Jesus, but really do disagree as to what constitutes the “divine nature”. Jesus is not “created” but “begotten”. All very strange to me but so is a large amount of “orthodox” theology…and if pushed I’d have to say…no less “strange”…but very different indeed.

 

[pigtown]

Mormons do believe that Jesus is God but He is One of the Godhead. God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are each members of the Godhead. Mormons do not believe in the Trinity. Mormons also believe that each of us lived in the pre-existence and were given a body for our earthly existence.
I don’t know all about it. Hopefully, your friend can clear up a lot of your questions.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

I have heard their version of the “Trinity” is “three gods in one purpose”.

 

[hosemonkey]

Mormons do believe that Jesus is God but He is One of the Godhead. God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are each members of the Godhead. Mormons do not believe in the Trinity. Mormons also believe that each of us lived in the pre-existence and were given a body for our earthly existence.
I don’t know all about it. Hopefully, your friend can clear up a lot of your questions.

This is precisely why mormonism is a non-christian cult. Belief in the Holy Trinity is a fundamental belief of Christianity, without which you cannot claim to be Christian.

 

[FCEGM]

Well I’ve been talking with a Mormon at school for a while, and this conversation continued today. The two main topics discussed today were “pre-life” & “Satan and Jesus being ‘spiritual brothers’”. Apparently from what I can gather Mormons don’t believe that Jesus is God. And that he was created making him a “spiritual brother” to Satan (i.e. they’re both creations). I quoted Jn 1:1 but it didn’t have much effect.

Catholig

Catholig, you would find it helpful if you want to continue to enter into discussions with your Mormon friend to look through the LIBRARY (linked at the header of this page) and do a search for “Latter-Day Saints” or “Mormons”. You will find lots of information that will help you better discuss the topics you’ve already mentioned and others that may come up.

 

[Paul_G]

This is precisely why mormonism is a non-christian cult. Belief in the Holy Trinity is a fundamental belief of Christianity, without which you cannot claim to be Christian.

LDS believe, among other things, that it is “what you do” (following the teachings and commandments of the Saviour) and “what is in your heart” (love for God and our neighbours) that makes a person a Christian, not by a prescription found in a man made creed.

Paul

 

[hosemonkey]

LDS believe, among other things, that it is “what you do” (following the teachings and commandments of the Saviour) and “what is in your heart” (love for God and our neighbours) that makes a person a Christian, not by a prescription found in a man made creed.

Paul

Sorry, won’t wash. Mormons have a different “god” and a different “savior.” Moslems also have a different “god.” Jws have a different “savior.” None qualify as Christian.

 

[Marc1152]

LDS believe, among other things, that it is “what you do” (following the teachings and commandments of the Saviour) and “what is in your heart” (love for God and our neighbours) that makes a person a Christian, not by a prescription found in a man made creed.

Paul

Then that would once again prove they are not really Christians.

The Christian idea is not “any old heretical and crackpot faith plus good intentions equal salvation”… You are saved by the Grace of God. Blaspheming God and his Church and believing in weird and hither to for unknown doctrines and actively trying to remove people from Christianity, even with love in your heart and even if you provide social services …misses the mark.

 

[Paul_G]

Then that would once again prove they are not really Christians.

The Christian idea is not “any old heretical and crackpot faith plus good intentions equal salvation”… You are saved by the Grace of God. Blaspheming God and his Church and believing in weird and hither to for unknown doctrines and actively trying to remove people from Christianity, even with love in your heart and even if you provide social services …misses the mark.

Christianity is not an idea it a way of life. LDS thought and practice exercises our faith and allows us to praise and worship the God of Heaven, in both word and deed, and yes we are trying to show people a better path, not necessarily a easier path, but a Christian path none the less.

Paul

 

[Paul_G]

Sorry, won’t wash. Mormons have a different “god” and a different “savior.” Moslems also have a different “god.” Jws have a different “savior.” None qualify as Christian.

Sorry these are just word games to create a distinction about the person of Jesus Christ so a claim can be made of another Jesus. Moslems or Jews do not claim that Jesus is their Saviour , however LDS do. Suggesting another Jesus is a distinction without a difference - it is meaningless.

Paul

 

[Marc1152]

Sorry these are just word games to create a distinction about the person of Jesus Christ so a claim can be made of another Jesus. Moslems or Jews do not claim that Jesus is their Saviour , however LDS do. Suggesting another Jesus is a distinction without a difference - it is meaningless.

Paul

It is not the same Jesus Christ of Christianity. The terms and words and names Mormons us sound similar but they refer to totally different things, people and phenomina.

 

[hosemonkey]

Sorry these are just word games to create a distinction about the person of Jesus Christ so a claim can be made of another Jesus. Moslems or Jews do not claim that Jesus is their Saviour , however LDS do. Suggesting another Jesus is a distinction without a difference - it is meaningless.

Paul

The personage that mormons refer to as “Jesus” is not the same Jesus recognized by real Christians. Your “Jesus” is the brother of Satan, a created, not begotten being. You will not get any acknowledgment on these forums that mormons are anything but a non-Christian home-grown American-made sect.

 

[Paul_G]

The personage that mormons refer to as “Jesus” is not the same Jesus recognized by real Christians. Your “Jesus” is the brother of Satan, a created, not begotten being. You will not get any acknowledgment on these forums that mormons are anything but a non-Christian home-grown American-made sect.

So this other Jesus that you propose, are you saying that He was not born of a virgin, or died for our sins, or rose the 3rd day, was seen of many, or returned to heaven with a promise to return. If not who, in history, is this other Jesus. Because LDS believe in an actual historical person

Paul

 

[Paul_G]

It is not the same Jesus Christ of Christianity. The terms and words and names Mormons us sound similar but they refer to totally different things, people and phenomina.

There is only one Jesus Christ, you may not agree with LDS thought, but that does not change Jesus who is the Christ. Trying to make some kind of distinction is word play, as it is the only way you can begin to justify your reasoning. This is the classic first step, to rename that which you are in opposition to.

Paul

 

[hosemonkey]

There is only one Jesus Christ, you may not agree with LDS thought, but that does not change Jesus who is the Christ. Trying to make some kind of distinction is word play, as it is the only way you can begin to justify your reasoning. This is the classic first step, to rename that which you are in opposition to.

Paul

The mormon “Jesus” contended with Satan to be savior of the world, was born of a physical union between the Virgin Mary and Elohim, visited the North and south American continent and preached to the Indians. None of which is true and all of which is blasphemous. All of these propositions were the product of the fevered imagination of Joseph Smith and other mormon “prophets.”

 

[PaulDupre]

LDS Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley says that the Mormons do not worship the Christian Jesus:

“In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness [sic] of Times’” (Deseret News, June 20, 1998)

It seems that the LDS argument is with their own prophet, and not with us.

God bless,
Paul

 

[hosemonkey]

LDS Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley says that the Mormons do not worship the Christian Jesus:

It seems that the LDS argument is with their own prophet, and not with us.

God bless,
Paul

It seems that the mormons keep getting tripped up by those darn ol" “prophets.” Look at poor ol" Warren Jeffs, he "propheted himself right into jail. And it wasn’t for speaking out against Herod either.You just can’t seem to find a decent prophet these days.

 

[Paul_G]

The mormon “Jesus” contended with Satan to be savior of the world, was born of a physical union between the Virgin Mary and Elohim, visited the North and south American continent and preached to the Indians. None of which is true and all of which is blasphemous. All of these propositions were the product of the fevered imagination of Joseph Smith and other mormon “prophets.”

You may disagree with what we believe, and be in error as to our actual beliefs, which I glean from above in places; however there is nothing in scripture that prohibits our thoughts on these events. I accept that is in the interest of both Catholic and Protestant to close ranks around traditional beliefs, but this does not prove we know all there is to know, and that all that is to be revealed has been revealed. Scripture says we only have a small amount of the words of Jesus.

When it is all said and done LDS conform to all practices required to be receptive of the atoning blood of Jesus Christ as far as scripture in concerned. This brings us full circle back to the your “otherness” statement which, as I see it, is the only argument (flawed as it is) that tries to keep us out of the your club. So be it, its means nothing to those who are receptive to the spirit of God.

Paul

 

[RebeccaJ]

You may disagree with what we believe, and be in error as to our actual beliefs, which I glean from above in places; however there is nothing in scripture that prohibits our thoughts on these events. I accept that is in the interest of both Catholic and Protestant to close ranks around traditional beliefs, but this does not prove we know all there is to know, and that all that is to be revealed has been revealed. Scripture says we only have a small amount of the words of Jesus.

When it is all said and done LDS conform to all practices required to be receptive of the atoning blood of Jesus Christ as far as scripture in concerned. This brings us full circle back to the your “otherness” statement which, as I see it, is the only argument (flawed as it is) that tries to keep us out of the your club. So be it, its means nothing to those who are receptive to the spirit of God.

Paul

There is no “otherness”, and this “club” you speak of is one which Christ began and the Catholic Church has brought people to for 2000 years. Never out of a sense of leaving out, but of bringing in. It is heretical sects like mormonism that prevent people, and even misguide them, away from the Truth, as Christ taught it and is found in scripture.

mormonism defines itself as not Christian. In the statements made by its leaders, and the fact that the mormon church does not recognize Christian baptisms. If mormons truly believed that all were accepting the same Christ, then there would be no need for a Christian to be rebaptized when joining mormonism.

Your entire statement here is a sham.