Disrespectful "rapping monk" from the order of franciscans

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PureKathleen46 said:
What ever happened to ave maria. This is sick! Give me a break you want this in church
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Technically, you could set the words of Ave Maria, the psalms or other scripture verses to a rap beat.

I much prefer chant to sacred polyphony, but inasmuch as the polyphony is using the same scripture verses, it is entirely appropriate in the liturgy. On the other hand, for some chant is like fingernails on a chalkboard. In other words, it’s pretty hard to regulate taste.

Rap isn’t my bag either, but if the lyrics are scriptural it’s hard to argue against it.
 
Hey if it brings more young people to Christ then it’s good right? I used to love Father Stan, he was a rapper. As long as he doesn’t curse or use profanity. What’s wrong with it? I think it’s cool.
 
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PureKathleen46 said:
You obviously don’t understand how serious this is. It is not a joke as some of you think. Being a Catholic is standing up for what is proper!
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And who decides what is “proper?” You? Me? The people who agree with you? The people who agree with me?

Darlin’ I’ve read the Catechism, especially the parts that have to do with worship and with music. I’m a musician, a composer, a music teacher, a (terrible) organist, a singer, and occasionally a choir director.

There is nothing from Holy Mother Church that states that it is improper for a Catholic listen to or record rap music or hip-hop. Nothing.

Holy Mother Church has also not forbidden her consecrated religious from public performances, so long as they are approved of by a person’s canonical (not sure if that’s the word) authority (a religious superior in this instance).

I honestly don’t know what your problem with the video is, except that you don’t like rap. :woman_shrugging:t4:

If you hate rap, fine. Turn off the video and be done.

But I’m not a protestant, and you’re not my protestant pastor. I follow the teachings of Christ’s Church, the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. And this friar is doing nothing against the teachings of the Church.

If you think he is, show us all a quote from the Catechism, or Canon Law, or even some papal encyclical to prove your condemnation of this video is in line with Church teaching.

I’ll wait. 🍿
 
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I didn’t see anything that I can deem objectively a sin. Perhaps some of the intonation and physical expression is inherently associated as irreverent yet not necessarily so.

At first glance I didn’t like it as perhaps maladjusted but towards the end I thought it just different mixing apparently irreconcilable elements.

Typical physical rap expression is always ridiculous, the friar actually manages to somewhat redeem that.
 
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God bless you all. I suppose that you have a different way of looking at life! One cannot be changed. Only almighty God can open your eyes, not this humble servant!
 
Jesus has a way of reaching out to people of all cultures. His love has no bounds and limits, and he is way outside any box we try to put Him in.
 
Geez, relax. Just because something isn’t your taste doesn’t mean it’s evil. Many of the things you’d probably consider proper, conservative music would’ve been the equivalent of rap in their day.
 
PureKathleen46 said:

Can you believe this is now the norm to make boastful rap videos filmed and recorded inside the church with the blessed sacrament inside. Boy have the times changed, a rapping monk paid to live as a monk to do these shenanigans with our tithes. Jesus help us!!,
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Let’s break this down.

There is ZERO evidence that this is “the norm” as you have stated.

There is ZERO evidence that anything about it is “boastful” (except possibly boasting about God and the Church - which St Paul did and we all should do!)

There is ZERO evidence that the rap itself was “recorded inside the Church” although obviously some of the video footage was. I guess you have issues with things like Christmas Mass, including the music performed, being filmed and broadcast from St Peters in Rome - inside the Church with the Blessed Sacrament there?

There is ZERO evidence that the good friar has been paid in any way shape or form. Being a Franciscan (and I know a lot of them) odds are fantastically great that he doesn’t receive a penny in pay. Most friars don’t.

There ZERO evidence that any of “our tithes” were used to fund any of this. Most of these sort of projects are either funded by private donations or any assistance given purely on a volunteer basis with no funds spent at all.

I see little of the “humble servant” that you claim to be in all this baseless finger pointing you are doing.
 
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OraLabora said:
Technically, you could set the words of Ave Maria, the psalms or other scripture verses to a rap beat.
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Not rap, but I’ve heard some Christian black metal bands use the Psalms as a major inspiration for their lyrics, to the point of just quoting the Psalms. If I remember correctly, Antestor did that a lot in The Return of the Black Death, but it has been a long time since I listened to that album and many of the lyrics weren’t in English. It actually fit the music pretty well, if not the genre. Still, black metal is pretty much the last place you’d expect to hear the Psalms, but they made it work.
 
Did you know that organs were originally scandalously used in the church in the early days to the great lament of many people since organs were only traditionally used in those godless operas? True story! 😉

Musical form doesn’t matter. He is praising God with rap, thanks be to God! I, personally, can’t stand rap. It’s like nails on a chalkboard to me. However, so is mariachi music, polka, reggae, and heavy rock. That doesn’t mean it can’t be used to reach people. This monk has done, in my opinion, a great thing - glorifying God. However, I do not think he is the best musician. But God bless him for his courage! What a role model to do what God calls us to do!
 
Mariachi music is sometimes annoying. The trumpets can get really loud and screechy.
 
For me it’s just a stylistic preference. I have a low tolerance to extremely repetitive, tonically based bass lines. Rap, mariachi music, polka, rock all make me crazy. XD
 
I am a monk, and when I rhyme it’s like a slam dunk
Lord God don’t take no Junk
I’m high in the sky but I don’t smoke no skunk
The devil tried to win but his ship just sunk.
 
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Bodak Yellow? I prefer Jet Black, the drummer of the Stranglers. But, he doesn’t rap - he spanks the kit.

Q: Does or does not God write straight using crooked lines?
 
PureKathleen46 said:
Can you believe this is now the norm
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@PureKathleen46 , it is not the norm .

It seems fine to me . I wouldn’t do it , but I have no problems with others doing it .

St Francis of Assisi did some things some would see as weird .
 
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Not seeing any disrespect here. I think it’s pretty cool actually, except that like others have said, monk could work a little on his rappin’ delivery.

And yes, considering how off-the-wall St. Francis was in his time, this is just carrying on the tradition.
 
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