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Rara_Avis
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If you have to take ear plugs for heaven sakes how must God feel!
This is just totally sacrilegious and can think of not many things sadder!
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This is just totally sacrilegious and can think of not many things sadder!
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Rara_Avis
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When one reads threads like this - it is probably one of the most disturbing things in this world - Sacrilege is being committed and people actually SUPPORT it!
The value of the sacrifice of Calvary is beyond all human comprehension. Christ, a Person of infinite dignity, offered Himself, a Victim of infinite value to the Eternal Father. When that sacrifice had been offered, all was finished. Christ could truly say: “It is consummated.” Beside it there could be no other sacrifice, for it sufficed above all measure.
But while the Sacrifice of Calvary was of infinite value, while it filled to overflowing the fountains of God’s grace, how is sinful man to approach this fountain, how is he to receive its superabundant redemption? It is the Sacrifice of the Mass offered daily on our altars that releases to us this pent-up flood of grace; it is the Mass that opens to us this treasurehouse of Christ’s infinite merits.
Peope who approach the Altar of God better come one way - sinful and sorrowful … Not happy and gay
The value of the sacrifice of Calvary is beyond all human comprehension. Christ, a Person of infinite dignity, offered Himself, a Victim of infinite value to the Eternal Father. When that sacrifice had been offered, all was finished. Christ could truly say: “It is consummated.” Beside it there could be no other sacrifice, for it sufficed above all measure.
But while the Sacrifice of Calvary was of infinite value, while it filled to overflowing the fountains of God’s grace, how is sinful man to approach this fountain, how is he to receive its superabundant redemption? It is the Sacrifice of the Mass offered daily on our altars that releases to us this pent-up flood of grace; it is the Mass that opens to us this treasurehouse of Christ’s infinite merits.
Peope who approach the Altar of God better come one way - sinful and sorrowful … Not happy and gay
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terrcatholic
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A footwashing when we are not even in the season of Lent? Does the priest have a foot fetish or am I out of line here, just thinking of the abuses that have been going on. Never know? The whole thing with the church is really getting wierd, where there is smoke there is fire, and I have to believe that some of what is being said out there may have some truth. Our Lady at Fatima said the church would become corrupt from within, it is heading that way when you look at pictures like that, not to mention the pedophiles.
dhgray:
HEY! Stop it! No having enthusiam here!
The beating will continue until moral improves.
How IRREVERENT to act like Jesus. It is below us to be humble and wash feet. Infact, I stopped washing my years ago. We will have none of this acting like a Christian here. Enough, enough I say …
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Meggie
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That picture is over five years old, I believe
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pnewton
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I did not miss the point but was trying to stick to the point. The posts I quoted was refering to the Mass not proper behavior when Mass is not being celebrated.
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pnewton
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Rara Avis:
I do not think anyone is promoting sacrilege. That is a very serious accusation. Lifeteen mat be supporting something you consider sacreligious, but I doubt its supporters do. Accusations of wrongdoing need to be specific to a person or group and specific to a violation of the GIRM.
As far as always approaching the altar sinful (that’s unavoidable, isn’t it) and sorrowful:
“Rejoice in the Lord Always, agian I say rejoice.”
The church in its wisdom has provided a balance of liturgical seasons. A time for penance and a time for joy. In this time of Christmas it is great to know, that even though we are not worthy to receive him, “happy are those who are called to His table.”
I wouldn’t know how God feels. I am not Him and He has not given me any personal revelation about volume of music in relation to offending Him.
I do not think anyone is promoting sacrilege. That is a very serious accusation. Lifeteen mat be supporting something you consider sacreligious, but I doubt its supporters do. Accusations of wrongdoing need to be specific to a person or group and specific to a violation of the GIRM.
As far as always approaching the altar sinful (that’s unavoidable, isn’t it) and sorrowful:
“Rejoice in the Lord Always, agian I say rejoice.”
The church in its wisdom has provided a balance of liturgical seasons. A time for penance and a time for joy. In this time of Christmas it is great to know, that even though we are not worthy to receive him, “happy are those who are called to His table.”
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Rara_Avis
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One of the first basic rules of Catehism is…
Why did God make me?
He made me to know love and serve Him in this world and to be happy with Him in the next.
You can not love and serve God - if you do not know him!
The rules are straight forward - there is no guessing involved here.
Whorship - that is, give Him divine honor. We honor persons for their worth and excellence, and since God is the most excellent, we give Him the highest honors, differing from others not merely in degrees but in kind - divine honors that belong to Him alone. And justly so, for the vilest animal upon the earth is a thousand times more nearly our equal than the most perfect creature, man or angel, is the equal of God.
Those masses are a joke and a sacrilege!! And don’t come anywhere near close to the above.
What I think or their supporters think is total irrelevant! A teen mass is missing one of the 4 marks of the One True Holy Catholic Apostolic Church … If you want to try and call them holy - you will only proceed to make yourself look foolish.
But please go ahead and try!
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pnewton
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Rara Avis:
Why is a life teenmass not holy? The word means “set apart” as in dedicated for God’s use. As much as I do not care for any of the music incolved in the lifeteen Mass, I have yet to hear any of it on the local rock station.
Do you have anything to add that is concrete and not subjective?
You understand my point exactly while missing it. You still call a legitimate Mass a “joke”. (why is a lifeteen Mass invalid? If it is not invalid, then you are calling Christ in the Eucharist a joke)
Why is a life teenmass not holy? The word means “set apart” as in dedicated for God’s use. As much as I do not care for any of the music incolved in the lifeteen Mass, I have yet to hear any of it on the local rock station.
Do you have anything to add that is concrete and not subjective?
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Llane
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Whewww!!!
Let’s all take a deep breath here!
I was in Life Teen for all four years of high school and never have I felt that any irreverence was shown for the Most Blessed Sacrament. LIFE Teen, in fact, as a program casts its central light on the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. It is true that the Mass does include more contemporary music which I understand that some may dislike. However, the rubrics of the GIRM and the instructions sent forth do permit the usage of such music. Furthermore, LIFE Teen just recently sent out instructions on how the LIFE Teen Mass is to be celebrated. Following is an excerpt from its website, www.lifeteen.org:
"On June 4, 2004, the Bishop of Phoenix, Most Rev. Thomas J. Olmsted, met in Rome with Francis Cardinal Arinze regarding LIFE TEEN. His Eminence Cardinal Arinze, Prefect of the Congregation of Divine Worship, stated his support for LIFE TEEN and said he was “heartened to see that dedicated persons have taken initiative to promote the liturgy especially since, in various parts of the world, a disaffection for the Mass is found among young people”. The Cardinal was very supportive of LIFE TEEN and encouraged our mission to continue. However, he also believed that LIFE TEEN needs to fully implement the new General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM).
In addition to his meeting with Cardinal Arinze, Bishop Olmsted met with Monsignor James Moroney, executive director of the United States Bishop’s Committee on the Liturgy (BCL) regarding LIFE TEEN. Msgr. Moroney has been in dialogue with LIFE TEEN regarding implementation of the new GIRM.
As the founder of this youth movement, I am writing to confirm our adherence to the new GIRM, and as always, our obedience to our own local Bishops. In this spirit of obedience, we are asking all parishes using the LIFE TEEN model to make the following changes:
Let’s all take a deep breath here!
I was in Life Teen for all four years of high school and never have I felt that any irreverence was shown for the Most Blessed Sacrament. LIFE Teen, in fact, as a program casts its central light on the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. It is true that the Mass does include more contemporary music which I understand that some may dislike. However, the rubrics of the GIRM and the instructions sent forth do permit the usage of such music. Furthermore, LIFE Teen just recently sent out instructions on how the LIFE Teen Mass is to be celebrated. Following is an excerpt from its website, www.lifeteen.org:
"On June 4, 2004, the Bishop of Phoenix, Most Rev. Thomas J. Olmsted, met in Rome with Francis Cardinal Arinze regarding LIFE TEEN. His Eminence Cardinal Arinze, Prefect of the Congregation of Divine Worship, stated his support for LIFE TEEN and said he was “heartened to see that dedicated persons have taken initiative to promote the liturgy especially since, in various parts of the world, a disaffection for the Mass is found among young people”. The Cardinal was very supportive of LIFE TEEN and encouraged our mission to continue. However, he also believed that LIFE TEEN needs to fully implement the new General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM).
In addition to his meeting with Cardinal Arinze, Bishop Olmsted met with Monsignor James Moroney, executive director of the United States Bishop’s Committee on the Liturgy (BCL) regarding LIFE TEEN. Msgr. Moroney has been in dialogue with LIFE TEEN regarding implementation of the new GIRM.
As the founder of this youth movement, I am writing to confirm our adherence to the new GIRM, and as always, our obedience to our own local Bishops. In this spirit of obedience, we are asking all parishes using the LIFE TEEN model to make the following changes:
*]In accordance with the new GIRM, teens are no longer to enter the sanctuary for the Eucharistic prayer. Being in the sanctuary is reserved for the priest celebrant, concelebrants, and those performing a specific ministry.
*]The GIRM very specifically offers three options for the end of the Mass. We are to cease using the phrase “The Mass Never Ends, It Must Be Lived” and begin using one of the three prescribed endings found in the Missal.
*]After music practice or welcoming, please make sure there is a period of silence to begin the liturgical celebration.
*]As we have always taught, please make sure the music does not in any way detract from the action at the altar, ambo, or chair.
*]Please make sure that full implementation of the GIRM is done in accordance with your Diocese and accomplished with a spirit of joy."
The document, released by LIFE Teen’s administration, continues by stating: “The heart of LIFE TEEN is the Eucharist. Full, conscious, and active participation of our youth remains to be our goal. Dynamic preaching, spirit filled music, and the conversion of young people remain our hallmark. The commitment of LIFE TEEN to evangelize our youth and to call them to Christ is stronger than ever. We will work for vocations. Our Holy Father John Paul II remains our role model. Our Blessed Mother remains our patron.”
Such an attitude does NOT constitute sacrelidge.
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Llane
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One more thing:
These directives were to be implemented by October 1, 2004. My parish has implemented them.
These directives were to be implemented by October 1, 2004. My parish has implemented them.
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pnewton
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Okay, I am breathing. I heard on CA Live from the archbishop of Denver that the founder of Lifeteen requested oversight from Cardinal Arinze. My daughter has just asked to go to Steubenville South again this summer which will mean another trip to a lifeteen Mass for me. God bless their work, but I will still bring my earplugs.
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Rara_Avis
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A Teen Mass without any question or doubt is missing one of the 4 marks of the Church so it - in the words of Jesus Christ is not the Catholic Church - and yet you still think as long as you bring your ear plugs it is OK???
There is a huge problem here and you are right … It is because people no longer KNOW Who God is!
Is your daughter only interested in what is pleasing to her?
Church is NOT about having a good time … Did Christ have a good time on the Cross!
When I want to have fun, play loud music and dance I go to a party. When I assist at Mass I am at the foot of Calvary … there is no place for the above!
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Llane
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Rara Avis, not to be rude, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your argument about LIFE TEEN Masses being sacreligious and missing the mark of the Church of being holy. The GIRM directives, while noting that Gregorian Chant holds pride of place in the Liturgy, does permit the use of other instruments. While you may dislike the music or it fails to draw you closer to God, I can personally attest that such music does in fact lead many people, especially young people, closer to God. It is appropriate at Mass even if some people dislike it. LIFE Teen’s national office did send these following two guidelines about music to member parishes after the Bishop of Phoenix’s meeting with Cardinal Arinze:
Finally, I do not understand your point about not knowing who God is. That being the case, I will try and answer it anyway. Life Teen’s mission is “leading teens closer to Christ.” In its 20 years of existence, it has lead many teens to a new and orthodox understanding of the sacraments and produced many vocations. Cardinal Arinze commends LIFE Teen for these accomplishments as I posted in my earlier post. How can one better know God, and consequently love and serve God, than by meeting Him in the Eucharist and Reconciliation, and in hearing authentic Churhc teahcing about Him. Furthermore, LIFE Teen encourages teens to grow in prayer and devotion. Such practices can only make one know God more deeply.
- After music practice or welcoming, please make sure there is a period of silence to begin the liturgical celebration.
- As we have always taught, please make sure the music does not in any way detract from the action at the altar, ambo, or chair.
(Excerpted from www.lifeteen.org . Posted more completely in my earlier post.)
Finally, I do not understand your point about not knowing who God is. That being the case, I will try and answer it anyway. Life Teen’s mission is “leading teens closer to Christ.” In its 20 years of existence, it has lead many teens to a new and orthodox understanding of the sacraments and produced many vocations. Cardinal Arinze commends LIFE Teen for these accomplishments as I posted in my earlier post. How can one better know God, and consequently love and serve God, than by meeting Him in the Eucharist and Reconciliation, and in hearing authentic Churhc teahcing about Him. Furthermore, LIFE Teen encourages teens to grow in prayer and devotion. Such practices can only make one know God more deeply.
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samboy
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HOLY SMOKES! If you can’t take your cue from the Mass at least take your cue from Hollywood … even they can recognize Holy. LOL
What’s the first thing they show when they want to show Holy!!!
Well …it aint a teen Mass!
Stop deluding yourself! LOL
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samboy
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Sometime I think they could put a sign up that says
“Satan worhips here”
and you guys would say - Oh my he’s finally come around!!!
“Satan worhips here”
and you guys would say - Oh my he’s finally come around!!!
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dhgray
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Rara Avis:
MASS IS A CELEBRATION. If you want to keep Jesus on the cross, then be my guest, I rather celebrate his life, death and resurrection. He died and came back for me. I rejoice for while you are at the “foot of Calvary”, I’m in the Heart of Worship.
Psalms
Chapter 150
1 Hallelujah! Praise God in his holy sanctuary; give praise in the mighty dome of heaven.
2 Give praise for his mighty deeds, praise him for his great majesty.
3 Give praise with blasts upon the horn, praise him with harp and lyre.
4 Give praise with tambourines and dance, praise him with flutes and strings.
5 Give praise with crashing cymbals, praise him with sounding cymbals.
6 Let everything that has breath give praise to the LORD! Hallelujah!
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WOW! I feel sorry for you. YOU ARE RIGHT! WE WILL HAVE NO FUN HERE! The beatings will continue until moral improves.
MASS IS A CELEBRATION. If you want to keep Jesus on the cross, then be my guest, I rather celebrate his life, death and resurrection. He died and came back for me. I rejoice for while you are at the “foot of Calvary”, I’m in the Heart of Worship.
Psalms
Chapter 150
1 Hallelujah! Praise God in his holy sanctuary; give praise in the mighty dome of heaven.
2 Give praise for his mighty deeds, praise him for his great majesty.
3 Give praise with blasts upon the horn, praise him with harp and lyre.
4 Give praise with tambourines and dance, praise him with flutes and strings.
5 Give praise with crashing cymbals, praise him with sounding cymbals.
6 Let everything that has breath give praise to the LORD! Hallelujah!
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Catholic90
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Life (and Mass) is to be endured, dontcha know?!? Certainly NOT enjoyed!! :tsktsk: (Maybe that then explains some of the homilies I’ve endured!).
I, too, prefer to CELEBRATE the resurrection!:dancing:
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Isidore_AK
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I wasn’t aware that any changes had been made to the life teen liturgy…something to think about. As things stood (past tense) there WERE many abuses to the liturgy (such as people standing around the alter, ‘passing’ communion around, skits and plays during mass, etc). IF they are able to rein in all of the abuses, I don’t see why LT would be a problem. Thats a big ‘if’ though…
Personally, I don’t think that we should make the Mass more ‘protestant’ just to keep people in the Church…free booze would bring people in too…oh wait, we tried that! (the Wine, get it? Ha Ha…I know, baaaad joke…). What happens when these life teen kids get older…and still only attend the ‘teen’ mass? Do we have a seperate liturgy for those people? Do we have a Rock’N’Rite Catholic Church? Or a Rap’N’Rite Church? Do they get they’re own Bishops?..
Seriously though…alternate forms of the liturgy can’t be a good thing…bring back the smells & bells and stone churches. I’m sick and tired of parishes that don’t look anything like a Catholic parish…sometimes you have to search for the freakin Tabernacle…
…sorry about the rant…I’m kinda incoherant sometimes…
Personally, I don’t think that we should make the Mass more ‘protestant’ just to keep people in the Church…free booze would bring people in too…oh wait, we tried that! (the Wine, get it? Ha Ha…I know, baaaad joke…). What happens when these life teen kids get older…and still only attend the ‘teen’ mass? Do we have a seperate liturgy for those people? Do we have a Rock’N’Rite Catholic Church? Or a Rap’N’Rite Church? Do they get they’re own Bishops?..
Seriously though…alternate forms of the liturgy can’t be a good thing…bring back the smells & bells and stone churches. I’m sick and tired of parishes that don’t look anything like a Catholic parish…sometimes you have to search for the freakin Tabernacle…
…sorry about the rant…I’m kinda incoherant sometimes…
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maggiec
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Ours is not a youth mass, we are a small parish, however every Sunday mass the organist starts playing and leads the people present into practicing music about 9:15. Mass starts at 9:30.
She explains to the people present how to sing the song and what the meaning of the song is. I like to come early and pray before mass starts and this is very disrupting. I don’t want to be petty, others may enjoy it. I just feel I would like quiet in church before mass. My husband feels the same, he’s just more vocal about it.
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Meggie
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Some attend Daily Mass…FYI
Infact of the 6 or 7 daily massgoers on my camups that are teens…all of them had a stedy youth group 5 were in lifeteen or greatly affiliated with it.
Thats a good track record if you ask me.
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