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One member of our parish told a priest that they did not agree with some of the things going on in the church, and the priest went so far as to say that this was his parish, and he would do what he wanted to do.

What do you do then? Just curious. Everyone says to stay and work for change, but what is a person to do when you run up against brick walls?

Sincerely,
 
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lefthand36:
One member of our parish told a priest that they did not agree with some of the things going on in the church, and the priest went so far as to say that this was his parish, and he would do what he wanted to do.

What do you do then? Just curious. Everyone says to stay and work for change, but what is a person to do when you run up against brick walls?

Sincerely,
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Document it and take it up to the next level.
 
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dhgray:
There are those who refuse to comply with Vatican II. The Church is changing and getting better all the time.
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Dear dhgray,

To what VII documents are you referring? Which have you read?

To which are “those” refusing to comply? How?

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Anna
 
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samboy:
What Vatican II produced is NOT Holy.

Next time you kneel in Church - ask yourself - what is missing?? And then seek to find it - because it is not there!
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I do not go to Mass to seek experience, but to be with the Lord. While I have seen acts of irreverance at church, I try not to blow it up as if I am a modern day Pharisee, but remember that Christ came to call sinners, not the righteous, to repentance. If I am not to judge my fellow Christians, am I to judge the Holy Father?

What I seek is not missing in Mass, because I have Christ in the Eucharist and when I have that I have all I need. I do not need either the experience of a rock and roll music, nor do I need the feeling of holiness, because Holiness incarnate is before me as an objective reality.

Regardless of the type of Mass one prefers, this objective reality is so much greater than all abuses combined as to make them seem petty. Report problems, sure, so that we may all grow in holiness and obedience. Just do not lose focus on what matters most.
 
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pnewton:
I do not go to Mass to seek experience, but to be with the Lord. While I have seen acts of irreverance at church, I try not to blow it up as if I am a modern day Pharisee, but remember that Christ came to call sinners, not the righteous, to repentance. If I am not to judge my fellow Christians, am I to judge the Holy Father?
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It is not the fault of the people it is the fault of The Church!

The people are only products of the fruit that bore them!

There are Masses being said everyday all over the world - in garages, hotel rooms, basements, where ever the faithful will gather - they kneel on cement floors - for long periods of time, they drive long distances - sometimes hours - for a complete and profound adoration of the Blessed Sacrament - you will find no irreverance there - You will find a shabble of a building unfit for a King - never mind the King of Kings. Is it ironic? Christ was born in a stable over 2000 years ago - He came at the lowest point in history -morality was at an all time low and now once again He is back in the stable - for sheperds and wise men are the only ones who come to adore.

To contend, however, that all of this just “happened” or that it is in the consequence of needed change or that it is, God forbid, the work of the Holy Spirit - how anyone… can seriously accept any of these contentions in beyond my comprehension. Surely, a far more logical explanation, and the one I fully accept, is that the destruction of the Church which we are witnessing today is by no means an accident but that it has been planned that way. “An enemy hath done this”
 
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To contend, however, that all of this just “happened” or that it is in the consequence of needed change or that it is, God forbid, the work of the Holy Spirit - how anyone… can seriously accept any of these contentions in beyond my comprehension. Surely, a far more logical explanation, and the one I fully accept, is that the destruction of the Church which we are witnessing today is by no means an accident but that it has been planned that way. “An enemy hath done this”
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Rara Avis,

I agree with you on this. “An enemy hath done this.” I just completed a study of Revelation by a Catholic priest, and he said that even some of the faithful shall be deceived, and I believe this is what is happening. I am not saying this to cause fret over end time issues, but I do believe that things are only going to get worse until we work for change, and I mean returning to what is right.

My prayer is that the faithful will not be deceived, and that we will all keep our hearts and minds focused on Christ, and not the world.

God bless,
 
"… Fierce wolves will get in among you, and will not spare the flock. And from among your own selves men will rise speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them (Acts 20:29) For they are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light. It is no great thing, then, if his minister disguise themselves a ministers of justice. But their end will be according to their works. (IICor.11:13)

Tragicallly, most Catholics after Vaticn II blindly followed the directives of the Postconciliar Popes and bishops, even when they attacked Christ’s teachings and the Ten Commandments. So accustomed were they to obey and not question orders that many failed to realize that their first obligation is to obey God. In the final analysis, we should remember the words of St. Peter: “We ought to obey God rather than men.”
 
Amen is all I can say. I have no other reply my friend in Christ.

God bless,
 
Rara Avis said:
**"… Fierce wolves will get in among you, and will not spare the flock. **Tragicallly, most Catholics after Vaticn II blindly followed the directives of the Postconciliar Popes and bishops, even when they attacked Christ’s teachings and the Ten Commandments. So accustomed were they to obey and not question orders that many failed to realize that their first obligation is to obey God. In the final analysis, we should remember the words of St. Peter: “We ought to obey God rather than men.”
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Amen! That is all I can say my friend in Christ.

God Bless,
 
Meggie said:
“obediance to a Father will not be forgotton”
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Yes - especially the Greatest Father -

What will be our reward when it can be said “You alone recognized Me”
 
Rara Avis:
Yes - especially the Greatest Father -

What will be our reward when it can be said “You alone recognized Me”
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God puts people on this earth to guide us. He especally put the Pope in place to lead us. Some sects of Vatican II may have been hijacked, I will acknowledge that. However, Lifeteen has worked closely with the Papal Authority to rid itself of all errors. Many churches that see the abuses in a “youth” Mass are more riddled with errors then a woodpeckers tree. In some cases Lifeteen has acted as a catalist for some churches, in so many words to get their rear in gear. There is always more to the story, a priest who does not respect the youth in a youth Mass certinally does not perform a abuse free sacrifice on Sunday morning.

Claiming that over a MILLION people are following false teaching is simply absurd.

On a practicallity basis, I think people forget that culture changes. The great gregorian chants were once popular music. Similar music was sung by rif-raff on street corrners. Its all that culture and time knew.

The New Order Mass is all I know. And I thank God every day for it. If the old Mass was always said I would never be able to go because the old Mass uses insence which I am deatly allergic to. To never be able to join in the celebration would just about kill me, I think, since I make many sacrifices in order to go to Daily Mass and I heartly miss it when I can’t go.

The Catholic church calls us to trust their leadership. I do not get instructions from God, I listen to those who God has let me to be obediant to.
 
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Meggie:
The great gregorian chants were once popular music.
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Gregorian Chant was NEVER popular music - It was considered 100% sacred music - Then and Now. It was wriiten my monks for the soul purpose of of offering complete adoration to God Almighty.
I do not get instructions from God, I listen to those who God has let me to be obediant to.
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You need to listen to God first - man second. It kind of amazes me when I hear things like “I do not get instructions from God” - that is just ridiculous thinking - Prayer and meditation - do you not talk to God? Do you not prayer the rosary? When I have a problem I go directly to my knees and I wait for an answer - God always gives one.

God first - man second!
 
Rara Avis:
Tragicallly, most Catholics after Vaticn II blindly followed the directives of the Postconciliar Popes and bishops, even when they attacked Christ’s teachings and the Ten Commandments. So accustomed were they to obey and not question orders that many failed to realize that their first obligation is to obey God. In the final analysis, we should remember the words of St. Peter: “We ought to obey God rather than men.”
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First, I think it is an unfair assumption to categorize those who follow our church leaders as “blind.” It was only by understanding the importance of established Church leadership and apostolic succesion that I became Catholic. I would recommend anyone who has a hard time accepting this authority to go back to the basic with something like Shea’s “By What Authority?”

Second, the old appeal to “we ought to follow God rather than men” begs the question of what God wants. Of, course we all think we speak for God, but He hasn’t given us that job.

Finally, can you give any examples of a postconcilliar pope attacking the ten commandments or the teachings of Christ? For you to make such a harsh comment, I can only assume you know of some clear example we would all agree backs this postition and will share it.
 
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pnewton:
Finally, can you give any examples of a postconcilliar pope attacking the ten commandments or the teachings of Christ? For you to make such a harsh comment, I can only assume you know of some clear example we would all agree backs this postition and will share it.
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There are many!!! Unfortunately I am not allowed to mention it here. If I do my posts will be deleted and I banned. If you want clear example I suggest you go to some other sites - they will clearly state the case … but you will not do that!

At present there are some pretty vile threads going on here against traditionalist and one person in particular who seems to have carte blanche when it comes to his thoughts on Traditionalists - which of course does not bother me - but it would only be fair if Traditionalists were turly allowed to retaliate … but they are not.

And then again who said life was fair!
 
Am I blind or has the “Effects of Vatican II” just up and disappeared!!!
 
WARNING - Not for the light or wishy washy of heart!

Isn’t it kinda sad, in a way, when you have to provide such a warning for a forum populated almost entirely by Christians (whether their Catholic, Catholic JP2 haters, Protestants, or IDGAF Christians)? This goes for me too… I think we would all be better off if we spent more time loving our family and neighbors than arguing about church. Catholics love to talk about all the unity you have and how that distinguishes you from Protestants. In reality, Protestants seem more willing to put aside their differences to partner in ministry, prayer, etc. than Catholics. However, somtimes I think the best Christians are usually of the IDGAF variety (that’s I Don’t Give A F***). Those are the people who may or may not attend church, but openly profess to being Christians while going about their lives as best as they know how. They have no agenda and they aren’t full of B.S. Pastors look down on these types because they say you can’t be a “lone ranger” (re: “lone rangers” don’t provide money for the $20 million state-of-the-art worship center… they probably give money to the poor, God forbid!), but I wonder if their faith isn’t stronger because they aren’t tempted into disbelief by the behavior of church people.

I’ll probably still become Catholic because I honestly do see much fruit that comes from Catholicsm, in spite of this forum and others like it. If anything, the hogwash (my wording was filtered:D ) I read here only reminds me to put my faith in God and expect the worst from the church. That way I am sometimes pleasantly surprised 😉
 
These kids you talked about were in Church, not out on the street. Lots of Catholic kids are off in Evangelical Churches where they are made to feel welcome. Your kids were in the Catholic Church.<<
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The Catholic church is not here to entertain anyone. If the parish demanded some reverence to the Blessed Sacrement in the tabernacle, perhaps those children would learn some respect for themselves as well as The Lord. The young people in my parish do. LOTS of them. We don’t water down our Catholism. Our children learn that we are more than a constant Evangelical Party. Hey, why not bring out “Buddy Christ” to be the kids friends! That big smiling Jesus makes all children feel welcome.
Shame on you for thinking your form of worship is the only one or the most reverant or most holy.<<
Shame on you for chastising someone who saw a circus going on instead of a Holy Mass. Since you are a convert, I have to forgive you for being given poor Cathechism.
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netmil(name removed by moderator) said:
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Shame on you for thinking your form of worship is the only one or the most reverant or most holy.<<
Shame on you for chastising someone who saw a circus going on instead of a Holy Mass. Since you are a convert, I have to forgive you for being given poor Cathechism.
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The word is “catechesis” or “catechetical instruction.”
Shame on you.

:banghead:

Anna
 
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