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this is one of the most disturbing threads i’ve read since i’ve been visiting this website. i am a protestant. i have a good level of respect for the catholic church, but this thread leaves my head spinning. there is so much judgement and condemnation for one another. my mind is drawn to the passage in matthew chapter 9 where jesus is accused of being a friend of tax collectors and sinners.
even if jesus was present in the host, i think he would be compassionate and forgiving of a group of teenages who might offend him with their irreverance. at least they were gathered in His name to worship and adore Him.
i fear that many of you will descend on my post like vultures. i come to this site out of curiousity, and today i am leaving with a bad taste in my mouth.
even if jesus was present in the host, i think he would be compassionate and forgiving of a group of teenages who might offend him with their irreverance. at least they were gathered in His name to worship and adore Him.
i fear that many of you will descend on my post like vultures. i come to this site out of curiousity, and today i am leaving with a bad taste in my mouth.
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Rara_Avis
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Not all that say Lord, Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven -
Gathering in His name - means nothing
It is the Will of God - not our own that interests God Almighty
It is he who does the Will of My Father in Heaven - who shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
You are right - the Catholic Church has been reduced to something that resembles a Protestant bible meeting … everyone with their own interpertation of what is what - WHY?
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teresas1979
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I just had to respond to this thread!
My uncle was thrown out of a Catholic Church because his toddler children were whispering among themselves. People are so quick to condemn. Jesus loved the children, to Him it didnt matter if they were reverent. The same applies to older children.
I was raised a Catholic and was taught not to breath out of place inside a Church. My boyfriend who I hope to marry is CofE (Episcopalian) and they encourage children to feel comfortable in Church, even the older ones as it is a place of God for celebration. Yes there is sacrifice but must we all be so silent and doom and gloom to appreciate it?
My uncle was thrown out of a Catholic Church because his toddler children were whispering among themselves. People are so quick to condemn. Jesus loved the children, to Him it didnt matter if they were reverent. The same applies to older children.
I was raised a Catholic and was taught not to breath out of place inside a Church. My boyfriend who I hope to marry is CofE (Episcopalian) and they encourage children to feel comfortable in Church, even the older ones as it is a place of God for celebration. Yes there is sacrifice but must we all be so silent and doom and gloom to appreciate it?
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Rara_Avis
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How weary it gets to hear the same thing over and over again - And have to continually let people know that the Mass is NOT a celebration - it is NOT a feast or a party - It is the Divine and ultimate SACRIFICE. When you are there you are reliving the Death and Passion of our Lord!
A child is not to young to understand this and coincidently enough - if they do not learn it as a child the will certainly not retain it as an adult!
Yes yes yes - the fruits of V II over and over and over again!
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teresas1979
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Rara Avis
Please see my other post so you can condemn me even more. The Commandments and Bible in general mean so little to you - as in love thy neighbour (which Jesus professed to be so important) and too many places to even mention not judging
Thank you for trying so hard to undo the hard work of some caring Catholics over the past few days who have tried to help me retain Catholic faith.
Please see my other post so you can condemn me even more. The Commandments and Bible in general mean so little to you - as in love thy neighbour (which Jesus professed to be so important) and too many places to even mention not judging
Thank you for trying so hard to undo the hard work of some caring Catholics over the past few days who have tried to help me retain Catholic faith.
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netmilsmom
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I just read an article about a Muslim’s reaction to Eucharistic Adoration. In a nutshell it said that the Muslim asked the Catholic if he truly thought that his God was in there. The Catholic said, “Of course, why?”
“Well because if I knew that I was in the presence of Allah, I would not be able to raise myself off the ground.”
I now try to think about this when I read the threads. Catholics on these threads are like families at a holiday. We feel we can say anything. In all truth if someone attacked Catholics, all of us would be together.
If Jesus appeared on the altar, in body, I suspect much of the partying would stop. Many of us sinners, including myself, could not possibly raise my eyes, my arms or my body. Oh Lord I am not worthy, at all!
Take heart and pray. Don’t let some faceless person (again, including me) get you down.
I’ll say a prayer to St. Michael to give you strenght.
God Bless!
“Well because if I knew that I was in the presence of Allah, I would not be able to raise myself off the ground.”
I now try to think about this when I read the threads. Catholics on these threads are like families at a holiday. We feel we can say anything. In all truth if someone attacked Catholics, all of us would be together.
If Jesus appeared on the altar, in body, I suspect much of the partying would stop. Many of us sinners, including myself, could not possibly raise my eyes, my arms or my body. Oh Lord I am not worthy, at all!
Take heart and pray. Don’t let some faceless person (again, including me) get you down.
I’ll say a prayer to St. Michael to give you strenght.
God Bless!
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Rara Avis:
On the other hand, maybe it is the people who insist that the Mass is not a great feast, a great celebration are the ones who are confused.
Maybe people get confused when we call oru special holysdays a feast (“the feast of the Visitation”). Maybe when we call our presiding priests the “celebrant” gets people confused.
On the other hand, maybe it is the people who insist that the Mass is not a great feast, a great celebration are the ones who are confused.
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pnewton
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I would discourage anyone from judging the Catholic Church by it’s fringe extremist. As a former fundamentalist, I remember many with more zeal than love that spent more time attacking the moderates and liberals (always defined as those less strict/zealous/wacky than themselves).
I can not remember the source of this quote but I think it applies to all groups: “Peoples is peoples” (SNL, maybe)
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Anna_Elizabeth
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teresas1979 said:
Quick question,teresas: Did you see The Passion of the Christ?
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Anna_Elizabeth
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To Steph, if (as in the case of Alec Baldwin!), you are still around:
I wish to tell you, as kindly as possible, that if I ever visited a website of your group, I would:
- be on my best behavior, and not insult your group, no matter how obnoxious and/or ignorant I believed you all to be. :tsktsk:
- make an effort to use proper capitalization, if for no other reason than to assure others that the institution from which I graduated had at least minimal standards. :tsktsk:
- bear in mind that the world of those whom I was visiting was steeped in concerns of which I had little if any knowledge. :tsktsk:
- make every effort to appear humble, by avoiding the constant use of “I” (as in, “I think,” “I feel,” “I have,” and “I fear,”), and/or “my,”(as in, “my mind,” “my post,” “my mouth.”)
Bye,Anna
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teresas1979
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Does it matter if I have seen the Passion film or not?I didnt realise I had to watch some actor imitate Jesus to know what he went through. The point is He (thats Jesus, NOT the actor) died for US so OUR sins could be forgiven and we did not have to pay the price ourselves. The Mass should celebrate this fact and the Church should be grateful there are those so keen to praise the Lord for His Goodness.
Surely we should try to celebrate Jesus’ life in our services; He encouraged children to gather around and rejoice in the Lord.
Personally, my children will feel comfortable and welcome in the House of God. If that means they play with toys or chatter amongst themselves then good. And when you all come out and say I am wrong you wont consider that we should be praising God’s goodness. The Mass should be about more than the death on the cross. Do we not have the Resurrection to celebrate?
Surely we should try to celebrate Jesus’ life in our services; He encouraged children to gather around and rejoice in the Lord.
Personally, my children will feel comfortable and welcome in the House of God. If that means they play with toys or chatter amongst themselves then good. And when you all come out and say I am wrong you wont consider that we should be praising God’s goodness. The Mass should be about more than the death on the cross. Do we not have the Resurrection to celebrate?
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joandarc
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One insight given to me that really sent me reeling on my journey into the Church from a Southern Baptist background was that one major difference between protestantism (in it’s many many many forms) and Catholicism is that protestant doctrines and practices are filled with such dichotomy. Often protestantism is an either/or faith while Catholicism is a both/and faith. Protestantism: either Scripture or Tradition. Catholicism: both Scripture and Tradition. Protestantism: either faith or works. Catholicism: both faith and works. See? I see the same pattern here. It’s not that it’s either Sacrifice or Celebration. . .It’s both/and. I am sorrowful, heartbroken, and filled with awe and unworthiness at the ultimate sacrifice of my Lord. . .but I am gladdened, joyful, jubilant over His triumph over that death. His rising and eternity in His resurrected body is what allows us to say “We look for the ressurection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. . .”
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Anna_Elizabeth
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teresa: Were you ever taught that the Mass is a re-presenting of the sacrifice? That’s why it is called, “The Sacrifice of the Mass.”
I will resist the urge to ask, “Oh, really? Where did He encourage children to gather around and rejoice in the Lord?”
Instead, I will point out again that you seem to miss the point that the Mass is a representation of Calvary. However joyful the results of that awful event may be, it is (present tense), still an event that should inspire “awe.”
Originally, I thought that you lacked proper catechisis, a not unusual situation with people of the age of having young children. Now, I must admit, I wonder if it is more a question of a lack of manners or even what should be an intuitive understanding of what is appropriate in different situations.
In any case, I suppose you are not to blame.
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Rara_Avis
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What on earth would have EVER given you this idea! Since I live my life by the 10 commandments and The Holy Bible has always been treasured and guarded by the Church because it is the word of God. It should not only be the most revered book in every Catholic home, but it should also be read by every member of the family.
Please do not lay your lack of faith at my feet - just because you don’t like what I say. If you have problems I suggest you get off these forums and start investing in serious spiritual meditation … On The Death and Passion of Our Lord - If you would like I could recommend several good books.
My Faith is unshakable - and I pray for the final perseverance that it remains so. And there is not a person on this forum who is capable of taking that from me! That you are putting your faith in people and not God is a tragic thing!
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One can walk into a McDonald’s anywhere in the USA and know what one is getting. The same is not true for the Latin rite of the Catholic Church. At best one can hope for a valid consecration. The rest is up for grabs as per the “mass is my private property” crowd.
I often wonder why so many are so self absorbed that they think they can change the mass and “worship” any way they want.
When Cardinal Newman was told by his old Anglican friend
that Newman could worship God in his way and he would worship God in his own way Newman said no you worship in your way and I will worship in His way.
What if some poor soul was going to Church and just lost a child, or is grieving over a sick spouse, or has some terrible problem? Must they be subjected to novelty so a few can “feel” they are worshipping in their private way?
Authentic unity is following the rubrics of the mass.
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joandarc
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Rara Avis,
If you could read my above post and respond as to whether or not the Mass is both a sacrifice and a celebration, that would be so great. I’m sure that it can be, and is, both. . .the existence of one attribute not diminishing the awe or gravity of the other. What are your thoughts?
If you could read my above post and respond as to whether or not the Mass is both a sacrifice and a celebration, that would be so great. I’m sure that it can be, and is, both. . .the existence of one attribute not diminishing the awe or gravity of the other. What are your thoughts?
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In his recent encyclical on the Eucharist, Ecclesia de Eucharistia (EE), the Holy Father observed: It must be lamented that, especially in the years following the post-conciliar reform, as a result of a misguided sense of creativity and adaptation there have been a number of abuses which have been a source of suffering for many. A certain reaction against ‘formalism’ has led some, especially in certain regions, to consider the ‘forms’ chosen by the Church’s great liturgical tradition and her Magisterium as non-binding and to introduce unauthorized innovations which are often completely inappropriate.
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katherine2
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Not really the standard I would strive for.
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fix
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Shows how far we have fallen.
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